Soft Drugs: What gives?

[Nom]

Therein lies my meaning. Marijuana is not addictive in itself, but the substances that can be in it as a result of being bandied about by drug dealers can be, and they are also most likely more harmful than marijuana. I'm not saying that nobody has ever experienced harmful effect from smoking marijuana, but the reason that they do is traced back to dealers. With marijuana legalized, these substances would not be in marijuana, therfore not causing their harmful effects, including addiction.

... an example of such a substance would be?

 

 

 

I said that in my original post, THC levels are unregualted and dangerously high. Also dealers are not careful about keeping the drugs they deal in decanted, so other hard drugs can potentially be mixed in.

 

 

 

And the government will try to maximize their profits, but the sheer number of people who use marijuana will in essence do it for them, so they won't need to make prices rediculously high as they are now when buying from dealers.

"Need"? Capitalism involves "supply and demand", not "need".

 

 

 

Um, ok? The demand is high from the number of people using marijuana, and the supply is not exactly unequal. Don't understand what you are saying here.

 

 

 

Drug rings would not completely disappear, no, but you're reading what I said literally and without thinking about it. With legal marijuana, the market for illegal marijuana would disappear, and that's one less thing for the government to deal with.

And control and regulation of the substance - which you're also advocating - is one more thing to deal with.

 

 

 

We already have a pathetic attempt at control and regualtion of marijuana: "It's illegal." Which is causing a lot more problems than if it were legal and under government control. One more substance to regulate is a small price to pay for lowering crime rate, freeing up jail space, and oh, making massive profit from the legal sales.

 

 

 

And it would go a long way to getting rid of other drug markets as well. Save those who are already addicted, who would rather use cocaine illegally and risk being in trouble with the law than use marijuana perfectly legally and with less detrimental effects? They would still be able to experience their high or whatever, so there would be no desire to go after the hard drugs that are still illegal.

Under that logic, no one would be addicted to heroin 'cause alcohol is legal. Reality says; Not true.

 

 

 

People are addicted to heroin for completely different reasons than alcohol. Alcohol addiction is bodily dependence, heroin addiction is for the highs. People choose to use heroin because of the highs, alcohol addiction results from unconsciously drinking more and more. They are in different leagues.

 

 

 

But it furthers the argument that marijuana is not in the same league as hard drugs, and is better off legalized.

No, it doesn't, 'cause with that logic we should legalize heroin, because hey, morphine is a legal pain killer!

 

 

 

Right, so we should use one of the most dangerous drugs out there for purposes that are already served by other substances :roll: Why use heroin when it has no unique uses and will damage patients.

 

 

 

Still ignoring both the drop in mesured drop in intelligence assosciated with use of marijuanna as well as flashbacks.

 

 

 

That is because I have little to no experience with either of them. In fact I have never heard of a drop in intelligence caused by marijuana and would like to see some proof of it.

[martinisback]

Venomai:

 

 

 

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

 

 

Pot head, their is a problem with these drugs. Their harmful, no matter wats more harmful, they are harmful. Just don't do it anymore, its not cool, it'll make you slow everywhere, and make you look like a tomato

 

 

 

Judging by your typing I would conclude that you sir, are the pothead.He's not saying "Hey everyone! Go smoke some pot!!". He's merely providing information and facts so that people can see it would be more beneficial to legalize the mentioned "soft drugs" and have them taxed and regulated by the government (though I don't agree with legalizing LSD).

 

Have you ever even tried cannabis? You really shouldn't argue a point in a debate if you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

Oh yes and Adam said something very good:

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to pick a side, but what bothers me the most on debates like this is the few people who chime in just repeating what they learned in DARE. The, "it's immoral and bad for you! You must be an idiot to try that stuff!" Anything is bad for you if you have too much of it. It just bothers me that people with no idea what they're talking about run in on things like they're the moral authority because they learned DARE government funded propaganda, shouting "Just say no!" as if they know something nobody else does. I'm not saying you're completely wrong, just that you're doing a lot of stereotypical generalizing.

 

 

 

Sounds like you Martin!

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side. I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot. So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Happy Potting

[hellbellz]

So Martin. People go to hell for smoking a herb that God gave to us? O:)

[martinisback]

So Martin. People go to hell for smoking a herb that God gave to us? O:)

 

 

 

God Bless You

[hellbellz]

Give me a real freaking answer. You answer with some random phrase so I back off?

[Tigra00]

I don't do drugs, but I do have one thing to say to all the "OMG! DRUGS R 4 LOZERS! LOL!" crowd...

 

 

 

You are aware that - every night - your pinial gland excretes what could probably be considered the "most illegal" drug in the world, right? It's called DMT and it is what induces REM sleep, which you would die without having. It's also illegal to possess in it's pure form, which can be made from almost all living things - some better than others. You can synthesize it out of grass, for example. Yes, grass. Like your lawn.

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

 

You are aware that - every night - your pinial gland excretes what could probably be considered the "most illegal" drug in the world, right?

 

It's spelled pinEAl. People might think you're talking secretions from the penial gland.

[Led-Zeppelin]

edit:People actually use drugs responsibly. Alcohol and cigarettes. Not everyone is addicted to those.

So you're telling me there's actually smokers who aren't addicted to nicotine?

 

 

 

Where?

 

 

 

*Raises hand*. I enjoy a good smoke, I buy my own smokes too, so I always have them around. But, I'm not addicted, I sometimes go for a month without one.

 

 

 

V - Sorry bro, fixed. xD

[Nom]

^You got your quotes mixed up, my friend. Never said those things, that was someone else :P .

[Led-Zeppelin]

[hide]

Venomai:

 

 

 

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

 

 

Pot head, their is a problem with these drugs. Their harmful, no matter wats more harmful, they are harmful. Just don't do it anymore, its not cool, it'll make you slow everywhere, and make you look like a tomato

 

 

 

Judging by your typing I would conclude that you sir, are the pothead.He's not saying "Hey everyone! Go smoke some pot!!". He's merely providing information and facts so that people can see it would be more beneficial to legalize the mentioned "soft drugs" and have them taxed and regulated by the government (though I don't agree with legalizing LSD).

 

Have you ever even tried cannabis? You really shouldn't argue a point in a debate if you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

Oh yes and Adam said something very good:

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to pick a side, but what bothers me the most on debates like this is the few people who chime in just repeating what they learned in DARE. The, "it's immoral and bad for you! You must be an idiot to try that stuff!" Anything is bad for you if you have too much of it. It just bothers me that people with no idea what they're talking about run in on things like they're the moral authority because they learned DARE government funded propaganda, shouting "Just say no!" as if they know something nobody else does. I'm not saying you're completely wrong, just that you're doing a lot of stereotypical generalizing.

 

 

 

Sounds like you Martin!

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side. I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot. So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Happy Potting[/hide]

 

 

 

You sir, are a drop kick. There, they're and their. Theres a difference, learn it. You better not try drugs anyway aye man, if by your reasoning weed lowers your IQ, you might de-evolve to a newt.

[IGoddessI]

What I want to know (which I think is pretty funny) is why the government seeks media to target the war on drugs, when statistically speaking (in Australia, anyway) the use in teenagers increases after it has been released in the press :XD:

 

 

 

Can you imagine that? Seriously... A 13 year old reading the newspaper... WTF is ice? Wow I never even heard of it; guess I'll go try it!

 

 

 

Every time they do it, they increase the amount of users, so why do they still do it, even aware of the statistical increase? :roll:

[martinisback]

[hide]

Venomai:

 

 

 

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

 

 

Pot head, their is a problem with these drugs. Their harmful, no matter wats more harmful, they are harmful. Just don't do it anymore, its not cool, it'll make you slow everywhere, and make you look like a tomato

 

 

 

Judging by your typing I would conclude that you sir, are the pothead.He's not saying "Hey everyone! Go smoke some pot!!". He's merely providing information and facts so that people can see it would be more beneficial to legalize the mentioned "soft drugs" and have them taxed and regulated by the government (though I don't agree with legalizing LSD).

 

Have you ever even tried cannabis? You really shouldn't argue a point in a debate if you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

Oh yes and Adam said something very good:

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to pick a side, but what bothers me the most on debates like this is the few people who chime in just repeating what they learned in DARE. The, "it's immoral and bad for you! You must be an idiot to try that stuff!" Anything is bad for you if you have too much of it. It just bothers me that people with no idea what they're talking about run in on things like they're the moral authority because they learned DARE government funded propaganda, shouting "Just say no!" as if they know something nobody else does. I'm not saying you're completely wrong, just that you're doing a lot of stereotypical generalizing.

 

 

 

Sounds like you Martin!

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side. I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot. So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Happy Potting[/hide]

 

 

 

You sir, are a drop kick. There, they're and their. Theres a difference, learn it. You better not try drugs anyway aye man, if by your reasoning weed lowers your IQ, you might de-evolve to a newt.

 

 

 

"Aye mate, oh matey david would you like a wine with a piece of a meaty oniono sauce old pal "

 

 

 

Lets see, this is RUNESCAPE FORUMS. DUMB People are here, SMART PEOPLE are here. I dont give a crap about my grammar, so " aye mate loser " stfu.

[Nero]

Venomai:

 

 

 

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

 

 

Pot head, their is a problem with these drugs. Their harmful, no matter wats more harmful, they are harmful. Just don't do it anymore, its not cool, it'll make you slow everywhere, and make you look like a tomato

 

 

 

Judging by your typing I would conclude that you sir, are the pothead.He's not saying "Hey everyone! Go smoke some pot!!". He's merely providing information and facts so that people can see it would be more beneficial to legalize the mentioned "soft drugs" and have them taxed and regulated by the government (though I don't agree with legalizing LSD).

 

Have you ever even tried cannabis? You really shouldn't argue a point in a debate if you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side. I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot. So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Happy Potting

 

 

 

Oh that's it, bold completely different sentences in completely different paragraphs to make it sound like they're connected!! Smart one! *high five*

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side

 

I've quite clearly picked and stated my side. I can't comprehend what would bring you to write such a stupid thing.

 

 

 

I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot

 

This:

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

Makes it seem as if your saying that you felt like he was encouraging us to smoke pot.

 

 

 

So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Yes, I am in that "group" that smokes pot. That "group" of people including people from all sorts of different backgrounds with different backgrounds and in different social classes. It's quite a nice "group" actually. :

 

And I'm going to hell for smoking pot? And 10 years earlier then most people? WOW! I didn't know that:

 

1.) Smoking pot sends you to hell.

 

and

 

2.) Smoking pot cuts your life expectency

 

And oh yes, if I do go to hell I do hope that there is pot there for me to smoke, good natural pain killer eh? :mrgreen:

 

 

 

--

 

Oh and I fell that I must include this:

 

 

 

There:

 

 

 

They are going over there.

 

The garbage can is over there.

 

There are many of people in this world.

 

There is a difference between there, their, and they're.

 

I think there is a crayon that has been shoved up your nose and into your brain Martin.

 

 

 

Their:

 

 

 

That's their car.

 

Their car is nice.

 

 

 

They're:

 

They're going to their car.

 

They're going to their car which is over there.

 

They're going to buy a new car.

[Nero]

 

"Aye mate, oh matey david would you like a wine with a piece of a meaty oniono sauce old pal "

 

Lets see, this is RUNESCAPE FORUMS. DUMB People are here, SMART PEOPLE are here. I dont give a crap about my grammar, so " aye mate loser " stfu.

 

 

 

-Ignores the first part-

 

This isn't the RuneScape forums, the RuneScape forums are located here. If you go there you will find people with mostly the same intelligence level as yours so you will most likely fit right in! Yay!

 

 

 

However on the Off-Topic board we tend to generally type messages that can actually be understood by other people.

[martinisback]

Venomai:

 

 

 

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

 

 

Pot head, their is a problem with these drugs. Their harmful, no matter wats more harmful, they are harmful. Just don't do it anymore, its not cool, it'll make you slow everywhere, and make you look like a tomato

 

 

 

Judging by your typing I would conclude that you sir, are the pothead.He's not saying "Hey everyone! Go smoke some pot!!". He's merely providing information and facts so that people can see it would be more beneficial to legalize the mentioned "soft drugs" and have them taxed and regulated by the government (though I don't agree with legalizing LSD).

 

Have you ever even tried cannabis? You really shouldn't argue a point in a debate if you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side. I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot. So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Happy Potting

 

 

 

Oh that's it, bold completely different sentences in completely different paragraphs to make it sound like they're connected!! Smart one! *high five*

 

 

 

I think youre the one who needs to pick a side

 

I've quite clearly picked and stated my side. I can't comprehend what would bring you to write such a stupid thing.

 

 

 

I also never said hes telling you to smoke pot, idiot

 

This:

 

Yeah, cannabis is less harmful then ciggies and alchol, so that means I should do it!...........NOT

 

Makes it seem as if your saying that you felt like he was encouraging us to smoke pot.

 

 

 

So i guess youre in the group that smokes pot to, eh, well i guess your going to enter hell 10 years before most people, and maybe you can smoke pot their.

 

 

 

Yes, I am in that "group" that smokes pot. That "group" of people including people from all sorts of different backgrounds with different backgrounds and in different social classes. It's quite a nice "group" actually. :

 

And I'm going to hell for smoking pot? And 10 years earlier then most people? WOW! I didn't know that:

 

1.) Smoking pot sends you to hell.

 

and

 

2.) Smoking pot cuts your life expectency

 

And oh yes, if I do go to hell I do hope that there is pot there for me to smoke, good natural pain killer eh? :mrgreen:

 

 

 

--

 

Oh and I fell that I must include this:

 

 

 

There:

 

 

 

They are going over there.

 

The garbage can is over there.

 

There are many of people in this world.

 

There is a difference between there, their, and they're.

 

I think there is a crayon that has been shoved up your nose and into your brain Martin.

 

 

 

Their:

 

 

 

That's their car.

 

Their car is nice.

 

 

 

They're:

 

They're going to their car.

 

They're going to their car which is over there.

 

They're going to buy a new car.

 

 

 

Ok ima stop right their. Your just starting a flame war, If i keep going its going to be locked.

 

 

 

By the way, i'd have to say you understood 1% of that paragraph i wrote that you've been cryingabout the last 24 hours

[martinisback]

Regardiung ur second post.

 

 

 

Congratulations! You are a Runescape Professional! Runescape Forums, im nto going into specifics i dont got time unlike a fat tomato like you, and the " aye etc thing i said wasnt directed to you . " So stfu

[IGoddessI]

Regardiung ur second post.

 

 

 

Congratulations! You are a Runescape Professional! Runescape Forums, im nto going into specifics i dont got time unlike a fat tomato like you, and the " aye etc thing i said wasnt directed to you . " So stfu

 

 

 

What we don't need is another teenage kid with an attitude problem, go take your problems out by beating the rug over the washing line with a broom, you'll feel better.

 

 

 

And even if he were a 'fat tomato' chicks rather tomatoes than sour grapes.

 

 

 

Both of you go grow up and come back when you can have a discussion.

[Satenza]

Hahahaha 'smoking marajuana means you go to hell'.

 

 

 

Rastafarians smoke marajuana in order to get closer to God, infact they beleive that the Bible promotes the use of it!

[Nom]

Seriously, please don't ruin a constructive thread where people are trying to have serious discussion with pointless and childish flames. This thread doesn't deserve to be locked, so don't cause it to be.

[Nero]

Thowwy :(

 

 

 

He is quite annoying however.

[Andy]

Like alcohol, once soft drugs are legalized, violent crimes and criminal organizations that exist as a result of the illegality of these drugs will be nullified.

 

 

 

Actully I don't agree, there will always be a "black market" type of thing going on in the drug world, people selling for cheaper, to younger people, etc. Legalizing them would not help at all imo.

[Led-Zeppelin]

Like alcohol, once soft drugs are legalized, violent crimes and criminal organizations that exist as a result of the illegality of these drugs will be nullified.

 

 

 

Actully I don't agree, there will always be a "black market" type of thing going on in the drug world, people selling for cheaper, to younger people, etc. Legalizing them would not help at all imo.

 

 

 

Yeah because the underground alcohol running operation is huge. There is a guy on every street corner selling bottles of beer, $15 each.

[Giant_Torti]

Ok here's my two cents on this somewhat contentious issue.

 

 

 

In reply to the main questions laid out at the beginning.

 

 

 

Why does the media project such a negative image on soft drugs?

 

 

 

Hmm I'm guessing that in order to stay on air, they have to be seen to be 'towing the line' with regards to the subject.

 

 

 

Whilst 'free speech' and reasoned debate about a subject is good approach, I don't think the media should/would encourage open incitement of flouting the law.

 

 

 

Society is chaotic enough as it is.

 

 

 

What are your views on the subject?

 

 

 

Thanks for asking, heres my stance.

 

 

 

Having seen dozens of lives wrecked and adversely affected by the manufacture, distribution and consumption of 'soft' or 'hard' drugs I'm not convinced by the standard arguments that are usually put up as to why 'the weed must be freed'. Or any other narcotic substance for that matter.

 

 

 

Now if you want to go out, look into all these substances and be fascinated by the 'wonderous' side effects and then get involved with all that, fine, don't look to someone like me to dissuade you.

 

 

 

I'm not in the habit of forcing my personal opinions onto other people, can those in the business of peddling this stuff say the same? Doubtful.

 

 

 

I've never been one for ingestion of pills, potions etc. Even prescribed stuff gets fully checked on the net etc for possible side effects.

 

 

 

The year and a half I was anti-depressants was hell, but thats a different, but related topic. I'll put it down to having a reasonably well tuned sense of self-preservation that I'm averse to the consumption of 'drugs' in most shapes and forms.

 

 

 

Personally I think that its something people can do well without but I doubt its ever going to change. Some people need an 'escape' or 'release' to help them 'deal' with there life and narcotics provide them with that.

 

 

 

At the end of the day I'm of the the belief that people should steer well clear of this industry and try and find more constructive and potentially less harmful ways of seeking 'fulfillment' or whatever they believe these substances provide.

 

 

 

If you want to see why I've got these opinions.

 

Click below.

 

[hide]School years,

 

Observed, albeit indirectly, the net results of various gases being inhaled, one death.

 

Sustained use in 'soft' drugs leading to 'suicide' or 'death by misadventure' of a class member that drowned whilst under influence.

 

Teenage years,

 

People that used to be my so called 'mates' getting involved in vehicle theft and theft from vehicles, to shuttle all manner of wares and pay for the 'habit'

 

Teenage to now years,

 

Parents burgled by organised gang (8 other properties in same street hit) to the tune of nearly ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã2000. Police told by the DPP to drop the case on the basis of lack of evidence, despite the fact a female was caught within hours trying to use my mothers credit card and cheque book (all before the days of chip'n'pin. Police confirmed that the case was drug related.

 

 

 

Attempted burglary in rented flat, damage to property cost my landlord an undisclosed sum which then resulted in a rent hike. We moved.

 

 

 

Burglary in which my wife was assaulted, net loss to us of nearly ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã2000 worth of property which eventually netted us a payout of just over ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã700 from the insurer some months later. Police again arrested 3 people but they were forced to release then due to lack of evidence, they again confirmed the case was drug related. A landlord that refused to pick up the bill for the emergency temporary repairs and was constantly finding reasons to phone us at whatever hour. I quit my job and my wife was diagnosed unfit to work due to depression. We eventually done a runner on the landlord and left him to it. Property in question is now regularly visited by the Police on drug related incidents.

 

 

 

Drugs ruining friends family lives,

 

 

 

Married man decides to use the distribution of 'warez' to fund his drug habit. Some months later he is paid a visit at the early hours by Customs & Excise with a 'universal door key' 1000's of DVD's, duplicating equipment. colour laser printers and computers seized.

 

 

 

Some months later he's handed a custodial sentence, causing his children to be labelled at school and generally causing the irretrievable breakdown of a already tattered relationship.

 

 

 

Hardly deterred by this, said person on release starts up more or less immediately his old ways.[/hide]

 

 

 

Sorry if I went off on one a bit, but this has affected my life in too many bad ways, no doubt I'll be flamed for whatever grammatical errors this post contains.

[Trip]

 

 

 

*Raises hand*. I enjoy a good smoke, I buy my own smokes too, so I always have them around. But, I'm not addicted, I sometimes go for a month without one.

 

 

 

V - Sorry bro, fixed. xD

 

 

 

BAH I hate you people, I don't know how you do it, I go for months without as well but im hooked again after 1.

[ltb2006]

Like alcohol, once soft drugs are legalized, violent crimes and criminal organizations that exist as a result of the illegality of these drugs will be nullified.

 

 

 

Actully I don't agree, there will always be a "black market" type of thing going on in the drug world, people selling for cheaper, to younger people, etc. Legalizing them would not help at all imo.

 

Yes it would,there could not be a "black market" if it were to be legalised...