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The Overall Easiest 99 Skill To Get?


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Let me put it a different way, construction is easy if your not stupid.

If you make it your first 99 of course its going to be hard, but if your like n0va, zezima, thehate ect and have already lvled your other skills you easily have the money to lvl construction and its a breeze, you dont count the other skills as part of construction, thats just silly.

You dont think, ok im going to lvl my woodcut to 99 to lvl construction, you worry about getting the skill once you have the money, then its a cakewalk.

And in this day and age 77m is NOTHING.

Your average dedicated player (any one likely to strive for 99 construction) already has a networth much higher then that.

How can you say a skill is hard when it can be lvled to 99 in a week?.

Woodcutting cant be, mining cant be (more like 5 months minimum), smithing cant be, crafting cant be, slayer cant be, ect.

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Let me put it a different way, construction is easy if your not stupid.

If you make it your first 99 of course its going to be hard, but if your like n0va, zezima, thehate ect and have already lvled your other skills you easily have the money to lvl construction and its a breeze, you dont count the other skills as part of construction, thats just silly.

You dont think, ok im going to lvl my woodcut to 99 to lvl construction, you worry about getting the skill once you have the money, then its a cakewalk.

And in this day and age 77m is NOTHING.

Your average dedicated player (any one likely to strive for 99 construction) already has a networth much higher then that.

How can you say a skill is hard when it can be lvled to 99 in a week?.

Woodcutting cant be, mining cant be (more like 5 months minimum), smithing cant be, crafting cant be, slayer cant be, ect.




First of all, who the hell even suggested the idea of wcing to 99 and then using that to get 99 construction? I only mentioned woodcutting in my latest two posts where I didn't talk about construction.



Also, why is going for the skill as your first 99 make you stupid? That is a personal decision based on many different factors. Did you consider that maybe I went for 99 construction first simply because I was good enough that I didn't need a fletching/cooking cape as a warm-up? I did it, and it did not influence the time it took, only how I felt about it.



If you make it your first 99 of course its going to be hard




This is a purely mental factor, it does not change the amount of cash needed or the amount of time it takes. It can be applied for all skills too so it's irrelevant to the skill on it's own when it's compared to others. If you want to discuss factors other than the time taken, go over stuff like "AFK potential" which I have already explained (and used to prove construction is a harder skill than you claim)



Second of all, as many others like myself have said, time taken to get the money is included in he time taken to level the skill. I'm starting to get sick of you ignoring every single argument and just ignorantly repeat that construction is easy if you have the money. Go back, read the argument for why the time taken to get the money counts and if you have a problem with any of them, you show your arguments against them. That's what a debate is supposed to be, not this ridiculous denial.



Third, and i've said this again but obviously you're just not listening. You say "oh well construction is easy once you have the money". Getting the money is the hard part. If you passed the hard part, of course it's going to be easy, but few can pass the hard part.



Fourth, construction takes more than just a week. And whatever happened to this so-called method that you had that could get 99 construction in 2 days? :roll:



Fifth, if 77 million is considered an insignificant amount of money, they why do people dream of owning rares that are worth half that much? Why do skillers consider 1 mill per hour a legendary income? why do people consider dking to be the most profitable and reliable income? If 77 mill is nothing, then these incomes of 1 mill per hour would take 2 weeks to get this so called insignificant value. That's obviously not the case.



The only ways to surpass that kind of income are far more unreliable, merchanting and staking. Someone got 100m in a short amount of time thanks to merchanting, and was recognized for his achievement by a large part of TIF communtiy. If your claim is correct, why was he admired for achieving something that's not much more than what you consider "insignificant". As for stakers, whenever someone wins, there is a loser. Therefore, if you took everybody who staked, you would end up with a net total of 0 (all the gains there are losses). Your average staker may win a lot or lose a lot or anything in between. This means that you cannot just say that staking is good money because you cannot guarantee to be on the winning side. So, in the end, where is this so-called "average player" who considers 77 mill an insignificant amount of money?



You seem to make many claims about how, for you, vast amounts of money are considered insignificant amounts. Try proving such a method exists, let alone proving the average player uses such a method.



also, 99 crafting has similar exp rates to 99 construction. However it costs a lot less. I find it odd how you mention crafting as a "hard" skill when it's similar exp rates for a fraction of the cost. Woodcutting has also very similar exp rates and woodcutting doesn't even have a cost, that's supposed to be a hard skill? Furthermore, this debate was started weeks ago. According to your method, you would have already gotten 99 construction by this point. Clearly you're all talk but no action. Pathetic
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Let me put it a different way, construction is easy if your not stupid.

If you make it your first 99 of course its going to be hard, but if your like n0va, zezima, thehate ect and have already lvled your other skills you easily have the money to lvl construction and its a breeze, you dont count the other skills as part of construction, thats just silly.

You dont think, ok im going to lvl my woodcut to 99 to lvl construction, you worry about getting the skill once you have the money, then its a cakewalk.

And in this day and age 77m is NOTHING.

Your average dedicated player (any one likely to strive for 99 construction) already has a networth much higher then that.

How can you say a skill is hard when it can be lvled to 99 in a week?.

Woodcutting cant be, mining cant be (more like 5 months minimum), smithing cant be, crafting cant be, slayer cant be, ect.




First of all, who the hell even suggested the idea of wcing to 99 and then using that to get 99 construction? I only mentioned woodcutting in my latest two posts where I didn't talk about construction.



Also, why is going for the skill as your first 99 make you stupid? That is a personal decision based on many different factors. Did you consider that maybe I went for 99 construction first simply because I was good enough that I didn't need a fletching/cooking cape as a warm-up? I did it, and it did not influence the time it took, only how I felt about it.



If you make it your first 99 of course its going to be hard




This is a purely mental factor, it does not change the amount of cash needed or the amount of time it takes. It can be applied for all skills too so it's irrelevant to the skill on it's own when it's compared to others. If you want to discuss factors other than the time taken, go over stuff like "AFK potential" which I have already explained (and used to prove construction is a harder skill than you claim)



Second of all, as many others like myself have said, time taken to get the money is included in he time taken to level the skill. I'm starting to get sick of you ignoring every single argument and just ignorantly repeat that construction is easy if you have the money. Go back, read the argument for why the time taken to get the money counts and if you have a problem with any of them, you show your arguments against them. That's what a debate is supposed to be, not this ridiculous denial.



Third, and i've said this again but obviously you're just not listening. You say "oh well construction is easy once you have the money". Getting the money is the hard part. If you passed the hard part, of course it's going to be easy, but few can pass the hard part.



Fourth, construction takes more than just a week. And whatever happened to this so-called method that you had that could get 99 construction in 2 days? :roll:



Fifth, if 77 million is considered an insignificant amount of money, they why do people dream of owning rares that are worth half that much? Why do skillers consider 1 mill per hour a legendary income? why do people consider dking to be the most profitable and reliable income? If 77 mill is nothing, then these incomes of 1 mill per hour would take 2 weeks to get this so called insignificant value. That's obviously not the case.



The only ways to surpass that kind of income are far more unreliable, merchanting and staking. Someone got 100m in a short amount of time thanks to merchanting, and was recognized for his achievement by a large part of TIF communtiy. If your claim is correct, why was he admired for achieving something that's not much more than what you consider "insignificant". As for stakers, whenever someone wins, there is a loser. Therefore, if you took everybody who staked, you would end up with a net total of 0 (all the gains there are losses). Your average staker may win a lot or lose a lot or anything in between. This means that you cannot just say that staking is good money because you cannot guarantee to be on the winning side. So, in the end, where is this so-called "average player" who considers 77 mill an insignificant amount of money?



You seem to make many claims about how, for you, vast amounts of money are considered insignificant amounts. Try proving such a method exists, let alone proving the average player uses such a method.



also, 99 crafting has similar exp rates to 99 construction. However it costs a lot less. I find it odd how you mention crafting as a "hard" skill when it's similar exp rates for a fraction of the cost. Woodcutting has also very similar exp rates and woodcutting doesn't even have a cost, that's supposed to be a hard skill? Furthermore, this debate was started weeks ago. According to your method, you would have already gotten 99 construction by this point. Clearly you're all talk but no action. Pathetic

Post again when you have a clue.

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Post again when you have a clue.




If you're not going to debate, don't bother posting. :roll:
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I think if you look at the high scores, you will see that hunter is likely to be the easiest 99. I mean its barely been out for a year and there are over 1200 people with 99 hunter. Thats insane! Plus hunter is pretty much cash free, and later levels actually make you cash.
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im ftp so i say cooking. im @ lvl 45 and i don't cook anything but fish and meat.

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i agree with what solidus said. cooking and fletching are much easier because they dont require as much attention. i think the rarest cape would be construction. i basically have NEVER seen a construction cape, and when i did train construction on my other char it takes a while to train it, and u hav to really pay attention! :D :D :D

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Hunter because it's pretty fast and costs you like nothing for equipment.



But it can get really boring...
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I think if you look at the high scores, you will see that hunter is likely to be the easiest 99. I mean its barely been out for a year and there are over 1200 people with 99 hunter. Thats insane! Plus hunter is pretty much cash free, and later levels actually make you cash.




Hunter is nowhere near the easiest 99 - plenty of people are going for 99 in it is because it is one of the few skills that can make you money at a decent XP rate. Plus it's a relatively new skill, meaning there's more incentive to it than to the older skills, plus many people see it as an "honourable" (for want of a better word) 99.



Fletching - AFK-able, good XP rate (~70k/h), able to make a profit (although for fast, consistent XP you'll most likely run at a loss)



Cooking - AFK-able, very fast XP (~100-200k/h I'm not entirely sure), can break even, or can cost ~5M.



I'm only listing those two because other skills require either vast amounts of money, an attention span greater than the average players, extremely slow XP, etc.

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Furthermore, even if 1,2k people have 99 hunter in a year. You can tell, if you've observed the highscores, that way more people have gotten 99 fletching/cooking in the past year, about 8k or so.
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hunter is awfully easy to get up.

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hunter is awfully easy to get up.




But requires clicking where as cooking is alot less 'effort' and much faster.



Solidus is right by what I've read of his well structured debates. The cost well outweighs the fact that its pretty fast.
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hunter is awfully easy to get up.




Hunter is NOT awfully easy to raise.



First of all, you have to deal with idiots who try to turf you out of where you're training because they can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes (15 at most) to find an empty world. It is incredibly annoying to have some tool come along and disrupt your training when there are plenty of other worlds.



Secondly, it's not like most other skills that are click and wait until the inventory is done. It requires patience and a lot more attention than most other skills - if you're lucky, you'll get a 30 second reprieve every hour or so.



Hunter is nowhere near as easy as some of the other skills. And you can't buy it either.

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What is the easiest overall 99 skill?

...Construction, Prayer, Cooking, or Fletching....


Hey ya forgot firemaking which cost < 10m.



Construction si the most expenisve and cooking is like....cheap & easy. So they can't be discussed on the same level.
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Furthermore, even if 1,2k people have 99 hunter in a year. You can tell, if you've observed the highscores, that way more people have gotten 99 fletching/cooking in the past year, about 8k or so.

Your circular reasoning is mind numbing. Dude take a chill pill, no one's knocking your construction cape and definitely can be seen as easy.



Actually by your silly reasoning given to defend your precious construction cape, Runecrafting is actually the easiest skill to lvl. You didn't really try to lvl it, the xp and money was all done for the sake of your construction lvls so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.

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...You didn't really try to lvl it, the xp and money was all done for the sake of your construction lvls so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.


The Overall Easiest 99 Skill To Get?


This isn't Solidus's overall easiest achievement... :wall:



Firemaking is easiest...said by a firemaking guide costing only ~1.8m, neglect my <10m...
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...You didn't really try to lvl it, the xp and money was all done for the sake of your construction lvls so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.


The Overall Easiest 99 Skill To Get?


This isn't Solidus's overall easiest achievement... :wall:



Firemaking is easiest...said by a firemaking guide costing only ~1.8m, neglect my <10m...




Easiest moneywise MAYBE...but definatly not overall. It requires NON STOP attention without any money back.
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Your circular reasoning is mind numbing. Dude take a chill pill, no one's knocking your construction cape and definitely can be seen as easy.




Actually I've been debating with yourgone for a while until he just gave up. I was merely defended myself. Also how is construction, which is considered one of the most expensive skills, even a candidate for the easiest skillcape?



Actually by your silly reasoning given to defend your precious construction cape, Runecrafting is actually the easiest skill to lvl. You didn't really try to lvl it, the xp and money was all done for the sake of your construction lvls so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.




So basically, because I was getting the exp for the sake of money, that exp doesn't count? No, the money was just an additional incentive. Furthermore, only the money and not the exp was done for the sake of construction 99. Just like hunter, people go for 99 hunter for the money AND the experience. One incentive doesn't negate the other. As a matter of fact in this game, my desire to go for money as well as experience is the reason why I got 99 rc through the abyss. So basically, it was even harder.



Also, you have no idea what the circumstances are. Since when did i get 99 runecrafting for the sake of construction? I went for 99 construction back in January and got about 92-94 runecrafting. Then, I spent 10 weeks getting 94 rc to 99 rc through the abyss.



so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.




Construction from 80-99 took 4 weeks (counting the time taken to get cash)



Runecrafting from 92-94 took 2 weeks, and from 94-99 took 10 weeks thus 92-99 took about 12 weeks (using the abyss). And that's about half of the skill.



Since the average rate didn't change, runecrafting took way longer than construction. How could you claim that it is easier?



Also, you don't know that I have a third 99: defense. defense was a hell of a lot easier to level up than either of these two skills.



And then, of course, we are talking about all skills, not my skills alone :roll: .
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Your circular reasoning is mind numbing. Dude take a chill pill, no one's knocking your construction cape and definitely can be seen as easy.



Actually by your silly reasoning given to defend your precious construction cape, Runecrafting is actually the easiest skill to lvl. You didn't really try to lvl it, the xp and money was all done for the sake of your construction lvls so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.


Dear Lord, if your going to use logic terminology to sound smart and condescending, at least us it right. And definitely, absolutely, please, never follow an attack on someone's logic with a perceptibly illogical statement of your own creation. It's terrible debating style, to say the least.
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Your circular reasoning is mind numbing. Dude take a chill pill, no one's knocking your construction cape and definitely can be seen as easy.



Actually by your silly reasoning given to defend your precious construction cape, Runecrafting is actually the easiest skill to lvl. You didn't really try to lvl it, the xp and money was all done for the sake of your construction lvls so runecrafting was actually your easiest 99.


Dear Lord, if your going to use logic terminology to sound smart and condescending, at least us it right. And definitely, absolutely, please, never follow an attack on someone's logic with a perceptibly illogical statement of your own creation. It's terrible debating style, to say the least.

I guess I should post like you and not provide anything relevant to the topic or provide any evidence to the point your trying to make? You could have saved yourself 2 minutes and just replied with "you're a poopyhead."




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