Honor and No-Honor, is there really a difference?

[Aquashock]

Flamers be warned, your posts will get reported for blatant flaming

 

 

 

Graveyard

 

Post *ALL* kills here; be it Duels, Stakes, Death-Matches or PKs.

 

This forum is also open for discussion relating to Player-Killing, although no questions must be asked here.

 

 

 

 

I am taking advantage of this open discussion rule to talk about what seems to be a growing issue over Honor and No-Honor (NH).

 

 

 

What is considered to be NH?

 

Teleporting

 

Praying

 

Tagging

 

Player/Pile Jumping

 

Teaming

 

 

 

I'm sure there are one or two more, but these are the major ones.

 

 

 

Teleporting

 

 

 

Honor is all about equaling the playing field so to speak. You want both you and your opponent to be at their best, for a fantastic fight, which the better prepared, and skilled will be the victor. Teleporting takes the risk out, and all the preparation you went through, all the food you used was for naught.

 

 

 

NH is all about getting the immediate advantage over your opponent, to kill them as fast as possible, making the fight as off sided as possible for personal gain. And in the event the courses taken tip in your opponents favor, you have a way out, eliminating majority of the risk involved in PKing.

 

 

 

Teleporting only effects 30 or below wild majority of the time.

 

 

 

Praying

 

 

 

Honor, once again, is about being equal. Prayer makes the advantage tip in whoever is using the said prayers favor. This makes it NH, as it gives an advantage over the other player. This when combined with Hybriding (using of 2 or 3 combat types) can give you even more of an advantage, compared to using it with one sole combat type, which just makes it an annoyance to Honor and NH.

 

 

 

Tagging

 

 

 

Tagging has 2 purposes: Giving you an advantage by having 2 people on 1, normally leaving you and your friend with the kill, and you 'Catching' the said victim when he gets away from your friend.

 

 

 

In 'Honor' pking, tagging is completely offensive. Not only does it give you the advantage, but it makes it downright not fair. Even DESPITE this, the well known honor clan 'Damage Incorporated' tags people who kill one of their clanmates in combat at the Mage Bank Arena.

 

 

 

But is this really tagging? The definition people normally throw around is the use of another player to help kill the victim in single combat (multi is different). But ask anyone, if they are in a clan, team, or just with friends, if someone were to kill their clanmate/teammate/friend, would they allow him to bank the kill? Majority of the time, the answer is no.

 

 

 

Purpose 1) 2 on 1 -> is strictly NH, due to the nature of it, combined with other NH tactics, yes, it gives you the advantage.

 

 

 

Purpose 2) 1 on 1 with catch -> The second purpose is simply a Catch. Catching is a phrase used to describe a 2nd player simply disabling the victim so the original attacker can get back on the said victim. This is not only a hypocritical rule but a redundant argument for it being NH. If you were to get caught on a tree, or get attacked by a monster and loose your kill, you would be bummed out, wouldn't you? This is simply a tactic used by Honor and NH pkers, but for some reason, when NH pkers use it, it is looked down upon.

 

 

 

Player/Pile Jumping

 

 

 

Player Jumping is when someone attacks an uninformed or inattentive player with usually special attacks to kill them in seconds.

 

 

 

Pile Jumping is when you attack a player who has just gotten a kill and kill them since they are already low on supplies.

 

 

 

Player Jumping -> Considered NH, but once again, if you travel to mage bank, it suddenly turns Honor. One of the biggest Honor solo Mage bankers, Death Treath is praised for his numerous vids. Yet, in a few of his vids, he levers out of mage bank, already potted, prayers on, and ready to special someone out, and gets the kill with no disputes at all.

 

 

 

Now then, if someone were to try this at say Edgeville, It is completely NH and not tolerated.

 

 

 

Pile Jumping is completely NH, and I can say I have never done it, even being NH.

 

 

 

Teaming

 

 

 

Teaming is the use of multiple people to fight other teams of people, or a single person.

 

 

 

Teaming is used by both Honor and NH, and the deeper you get, the more the lines fade away. Using a teleblocker at say 20 wilderness, with you on ancients makes you NH. Using one at 50 wilderness, makes you smart.

 

 

 

The only responsible argument for teaming is it vs soloing, and we are not here for that argument.

 

 

 

Final Thought

 

 

 

I want an open discussion about these ways to PK. I don't want people just flaming, I want reasons, examples, and proof of any counter arguments.

 

 

 

Post your disagreements, or agreements, post things I have overlooked, and contribute to this conversation.

[hellbellz]

If NH & Honor are the same, where does the No come in play?

 

 

 

But I don't care about NH. If I was a pk'r I'd be NH. The wild is the wild. 8-)

[Dazzuh]

The difference is your NH.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll read the actual post now and edit..

 

 

 

P.S. Unban me on #tip-it, i changed my name to Ed_4_Eva and spammed as a joke.

[Biabf]

Yeah I agree with Jesse, he makes a valid point

 

Btw you lick cheese.

[Owned_Nex]

The difference is your NH.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll read the actual post now and edit..

 

 

 

P.S. Unban me on #tip-it, i changed my name to Ed_4_Eva and spammed as a joke.

 

 

 

err why u posing as our clan leader?

 

 

 

But there is no diff. Its just that both parites use more food and resources, and 1 guy gets pissed off, and runs leaving both parites less on supplies

[Dazzuh]

Posing? :| Trust me, i don't want to be him lol.

 

 

 

I've read the post now and I can see your points, the whole No Honor/Honor thing is pretty dumb.

[Under_Score]

Here are my thoughts:

 

 

 

The Wilderness is a place with no rules. You do whatever you can to stay alive.

[Camn]

Prayers 'sok if you want a break from someone hitting odd 30's on you, but not in a full blown fight. Tagging? well.. thats just stupid. on edgy, just run out farther so you can rip out your rune2h/dds and smack them one. considering your melee-ing :)

[brunokiller]

Everything except rc pking is fine to me tbh

[crazygrunt]

ehhhh, I usually honor pk when I do pk, but recently I've tried no honor pking, and its acutally fun. Now, if I Player Jump somebody and they say off I go off. Don't usually Pile Jump, although I've wanted to so many times. I don't p2p pk since i'm not pure but I do f2p pk sometimes and have gotten a team of a few together for castle pking.

[cabbage_ownz]

only thing i consider NH is rc pking and rr pking ( if you killing the miners)

[Red_Dog_47]

In my opinion, nh and h are chosen by your attitudes. I was both honor and no honor. Lately, the pkers and the new enviroment surrounding rs has totaly had an affect on me. I ask for a fight, they look me up and say no you 75 defence, I said you 99 str and 45 defence.:P and they usually reply with a smart allic comment . Thus is why I nh, I bring mystic to fight, when im low hp, yes, I farcast. When they run I freeze them.

 

 

 

I just expressed my opinion. But Aqua, good topic to start on, and good points written out.

[Lord Diddy]

Both are fine with me, just don't go "GF OWNED SON!@!!@" after getting a mystic pk. :roll:

[TheEvilGizm0]

People who care too much about following an honor code on a game should get off the internet.

[hybrid2hell]

Yes, there is a difference between honor and no honor. People who are "NH" use every resource Jagex has implemented into the game to win. Making them the smart people.

[Gatuz]

Yes there is a difference in NH V H ,

 

 

 

i'm actully glad about this,

 

 

 

i use to be honour, not 100% like never praying mele ect, but i did use to never take teles and try and smite on all kills, but, when doing this it made me weaker then other players, i didn't like this,

 

 

 

Honour Makes You Weak

 

 

 

so i turned to no honour, i am now able to kill any levels, and i enjoy killing 120+, i have found No Honour a way to enjoy pking more, and be able to get alot more kills,

 

 

 

~Gat~

[miner2612]

Hmm... I think Praying is honorable, as long as you don't use the protect from ____ prayers. If you want to use your cb levels on prayer, you should be able to use it in a fight...

[Saru Inc]

The difference is your NH.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll read the actual post now and edit..

 

 

 

P.S. Unban me on #tip-it, i changed my name to Ed_4_Eva and spammed as a joke.

 

 

 

Lol. That guy is a noob. :o

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you Aqua, but you're sort of, at least this is what I'm getting from it, that there is no difference? I mean truly, I think you're stupid if your an 'honor' Pk'er. I mean, things are given to you, why not use em?

[Wesleyao]

I Must Say, Nice Topic.

 

 

 

Here Is What I Think.

 

 

 

The only real differance between Honor And No Honor Is Your Reason FOR PKing. Alot of the time people pk for profit but there are a few who actually pk just for the FUN of it.

 

 

 

Look at it like this, Person A Is PKing just for fun while Person B Is PKing For profit. Person A's style and inventory/setup willl be set for him to have a good long fight while Person B will be set for a short easy fight. The people that PK for fun look down on Person B because it takes the fun out of it.

[fedex340]

Honor, once again, is about being equal.

 

Honor is not being equal, at least i don't think so. Equality is being equal.

 

If everyone really wanted to make pking equal, or honorable in this case, then why not make a giant rule saying everyone must wear bronze armor with bronze longswords...etc. Because if you did that then it would be a waist of time to train that defence, or attack. Pking, to me, is trying to gain an advantage over your opponent This does not mean while your a lvl 101 and a lvl 50 comes walking by, you kill them, it just means in a fight you try to do what you can to win.

[InfiniteLove]

Honor has everything to do with nothing.

 

Those who are honorable (In real life or not) are generally less successful although it may sometimes be worth it. Those who have been blessed with the ability to not care are generally more successful.

[Kenshinjapan]

Alot like chivalry in the Renaissance period. People fought with honour and made the fights fair and 1 on 1. However, someone finally realised it and as they marched across the field ready for battle, the sky suddenly darkened. "Hey, what are those things in the air?"said a soldiers. A split second later, his fellow soldiers to the right and left of him had fallen and he fell soon afterwards. Turns out their enemy was extremely outnumbered and didn't have a single casualty. :-k :-w

 

 

 

no honour>dying

[Xanotex]

Honor and No Honor. Good joke, it's the wilderness. There aren't any rules there. I only hate Rc Pkers. I find Rc Pkers NH because they attack people that are doing other things.

[Lovinthemage1]

You want my opinion on differences between honour and no honour and please dont flame me because I will try to be as less argument as possible.

 

 

 

Pros

 

 

 

You can tele, comes in useful but its usually against most main clan/pure clan rules to teleport unless your pkin deep or have over 10m in items on you.

 

 

 

You can flame tag, pj pray and not think anything to it, nh comes in useful like that.

 

 

 

You are your own free agent and can backstab, go wherever you feel.

 

 

 

Cons

 

 

 

Get a lost of enemies and haters along with all your self respect gone down the pan to other people. You might say this is only a game but your the one teleporting and tagging to avoid death in a reality beyond your own i mean do pixels really mean that much to you.

 

 

 

The tabs and runes and sara brews take up a lot of room for a quick eating route sharks.

 

 

 

If you do die which is probably more then likely because threes different colts of nh main clans with usually bad stats but like 9 of them all they have to do is prevent you from escaping and tb and boom thereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s 20m down the drain because you think your some sort of indestructible pker and think bringing, arhims mage book furies infinity hats and boots you wont get killed lol. go c-wars if u wana do that please :shock:

 

 

 

Then when you actually do go edge you try far casting there and dark bow specinthen tele, you call that pkin.

 

 

 

Yeh no honour is prob the best way to flow because you have all the advantages and needs :P

 

 

 

But imho if I went no honour I would get tired of it within the first day I am to nice of a person to do general idiotic crap to other pures/ manis who are honour. I fight no honour with a no honour person but fight honoured with an honoured person

 

 

 

Ruling out the possibility of teleports, tagging and praying one on one 0o

 

 

 

Its probably different from my point of view because I am a pure but when i was on my main I didnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t really take teles either but i guess you need to take teles if your over 110+ cb and do general nh crap I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t see the point in it all though?

[Paddeeh]

Speaking as someone who doesn't PK, the only problem I have with Pk'ers is the fact that protection prayers are completly NH, but others, such as Piety, Protect Item and Smite are almost a nessecity. Why, oh why are protection prayers NH when these others are standard? They both do the same job, give a player an advantage.