Is God real post your thoughts!

[user1991]

I'm still trying to get my head around the idea that the Bible is the word of God because the Bible says that it is the word of God.

 

 

 

I mean, those theists must be damn smart if they can manage to convince people that that makes sense.

 

 

 

And to all you religious people, stop making DEISTIC arguments and using them as "evidence" for your THEISTIC beliefs. Seriously, it's stupid. For example, here is a common argument.

 

 

 

"The universe is too beautiful for God to not exist." It's a ridiculous argument anyway, because "beauty" is a subjective concept, but still, you hear people use this one on TV and stuff. It doesn't prove anything. By using this as justification for being a theist you're going from A to C and skipping out the B. Inherent beauty, even if you assume it to be of Divine creation, does not prove anything about a certain religion. It is as much proof for Christianity as it is for Islam, or Hinduism.

 

 

 

So let's theorise. Say, for example, scientists prove that a God exists, the situation would be pretty much the same as it is now. Religions would argue over which one is correct, atheists would just become deists. We wouldn't know anything about said God, whether we needed to worship him or not, etc etc, so it would pretty much make the entire thing redundant, and God would be irrelevent.

 

 

 

I'm sick and tired of theists using deistic arguments for proof of God. The arguments are stupid in the first place, and when you consider that they mean absolutely nothing when we're debating RELIGION, it makes me angry that people can actually be so blind and absorbed into their own mindset that they don't have the capacity to see that what they're saying is irrelevent to the argument within which they're debating.

 

 

 

Look, there are a couple good arguments for the existence of a God, a vague, mysterious God, and these arguments are pretty much entirely based off of unproveable questions. "Where did we come from?" etc etc. They aren't proof at all really, they're just areas in which science hasn't been able to fully explain. Somehow, people assume this to believe that a God exists, and even worse, they assume it to mean that THEIR God is the true God.

 

 

 

Faith, on such a large scale, is stupid. I don't care if it gives you comfort, really - your comfort isn't more important than the UNHINDERED PROGRESSION of the human race, working collectively towards WORLD PEACE. Ironically, the religious seem to be the ones who are working against this, mostly unknowingly. The acceptance of the idea of "blind faith", is in my opinion, one of the most damagings things in terms of the progression of our civilisation.

 

 

 

Why? Because it makes no sense.

[Lenticular_J]

What, True? All that post was was you posting your hatred of religion, had no debate value at all. Have you even read a page of this thread? You have faith in science, do you not? Well, I have faith in my Lord and Savior.

 

 

 

I don't mind people who try to show me the "miracles" of science, but people who're so arrogant they actually want to undermine my faith?

[Satenza]

Its not about having faith in science as opposed to having faith in a God. To attempt to synthesize both science and religion to share that commonality is insulting.

[Lenticular_J]

And it isn't insulting when people rant about how my faith has no foundation?

[Lateralus]

Making incorrect comparisons is no way to show your indignation.

[Lenticular_J]

I don't believe I understand what you mean, Lateralus.

[Lateralus]

I don't believe I understand what you mean, Lateralus.

 

 

 

Sorry if it came across as a little cryptic. What I mean is that understandably you're upset, but to compare faith in God or religion to faith in science is not a good argument.

[Lenticular_J]

Ah, okay. I guess I just don't put as much faith in science as I do God, so don't particularly understand that.

[Hedgehog]

I don't know if anyone's posted this, if they've had I feel it's worth reposting. Faith, in many dictionaries, is defined as believeing in something without any proof of its existence. We may never have any proof that God exists, but you should have faith in that He exists and when you die you will go to heaven or hell. When you ask questions regarding his existence you show a lack of faith. All you have to do is accept God into your heart and never forget he exists.

[Lateralus]

I don't know if anyone's posted this, if they've had I feel it's worth reposting. Faith, in many dictionaries, is defined as believeing in something without any proof of its existence. We may never have any proof that God exists, but you should have faith in that He exists and when you die you will go to heaven or hell. When you ask questions regarding his existence you show a lack of faith. All you have to do is accept God into your heart and never forget he exists.

 

 

 

Things like this are why I think I would thoroughly dislike it if any theistic god was real. Some designer to require that kind of faith from a creature which is naturally inquisitive. Greville says it best:

 

 

 

O wearisome condition of humanity!

 

Born under one law, to another bound;

 

Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,

 

Created sick, commanded to be sound.

[user1991]

What, True? All that post was was you posting your hatred of religion, had no debate value at all. Have you even read a page of this thread? You have faith in science, do you not? Well, I have faith in my Lord and Savior.

 

 

 

I don't mind people who try to show me the "miracles" of science, but people who're so arrogant they actually want to undermine my faith?

 

 

 

Ugh.

 

 

 

My "faith" in science isn't faith. I have "faith" in science because science looks at things, uses evidence, looks at them again, and then makes a conclusion based upon said evidence. It isn't faith. I have hope in science, but that's only because science is getting more and more complex and will have more and more profoundly impactful implications on both life and death. (and this isn't faith. Evidence shows that science progresses. Anyone can see this. The very fact that we are here debating this on the internet is proof of this)

 

 

 

Your "faith", is what im criticising. My beliefs are flexible. I base them upon evidence. You however, choose not to. You choose to believe what you want, regardless of anything. It is your right to do so of course, I'm just telling you why you're stupid.

 

 

 

You have the audacity to call me arrogant, yet you belong to a religion that believes;

 

 

 

1) That the Bible is the word of Godbecause the Bible says that it is the word of God.

 

2) That any deed can be forgiven if you simply pray.

 

3) That every other religion that has ever existed is WRONG.

 

4) That you are the only true possessors of absolute truth.

 

5) That no matter what evidence is presented, your God has and always will be the "right God"

[user1991]

And it isn't insulting when people rant about how my faith has no foundation?

 

 

 

To be honest, it is more insulting when religious people try and pass legislature that would limit the freedoms of millions of "non believers", using the transparent cover of the "will of God" to enforce their own beliefs upon the general public.

 

 

 

 

 

Your faith DOES have no foundation. What is the justification for it? Let me guess, faith itself?

[re4p3r1]

but thats what faith is, just faith. theres no way to scientifically prove if god is real or not, theres no way to prove whether heaven exists or not, and theres no way to prove which faith is right and which is wrong.

 

 

 

and also if we didnt base our laws on faith and religion we wouldnt have many of our laws today.

[monkeyboo2]

I don't know if anyone's posted this, if they've had I feel it's worth reposting. Faith, in many dictionaries, is defined as believeing in something without any proof of its existence. We may never have any proof that God exists, but you should have faith in that He exists and when you die you will go to heaven or hell. When you ask questions regarding his existence you show a lack of faith. All you have to do is accept God into your heart and never forget he exists.

 

 

 

So why don't you have faith in Zeus or Allah? What if Zeus is the 'true god' and he punishes you for worshipping the false Christian god?

 

 

 

I think the idea of the Nigerian Email scams works nicely as proof that faith is not good (losing money because of your faith in the Email). Do you believe in anything else without proof? Do you look everytime a pickpocket says 'Oh look a plane'?

 

 

 

Why make an exception for Christianity? Its not rational.

[megakiller32]

What i don't understand is why people get at each others throats at this; so some people believe in god and some believe in science, big whoop, however if believing in one of those makes someone else happy, without hurting other people, why should they argue endlessly?

[user1991]

Because it does hurt other people.

 

 

 

I have a problem with religion because of its influence on society. The religious majority would have no problem controlling my or any other atheist's life, because they want to subject their will onto the people, under the false pretence of it being the "will of God." They use the Bible, and cherry pick their morality to conform with what they want to believe, and then try and force this upon others. The very reason Christianity is so big is because it was forced upon people in the first place.

 

 

 

You're trying to portray belief as some sort of irrelevent ideology that doesn't have implications on other peoples' lives, when it is infact the opposite of that. The sooner we can get rid of irrational faith the sooner we can truly work towards actual FREEDOM.

[Agunimon979]

Religion cant be proved. OH MAI GOD THERES REMNANTS OF CARRIAGE WHEELS AND WEAPONS UNDER THE RED SEA MOSES MUSTVE BEEN THERE. no.

[Agunimon979]

Also, I hate how people think they found Noah's Ark. Ffs its been like over 2000 years it wouldve decomposed by now.

[monkeyboo2]

What i don't understand is why people get at each others throats at this; so some people believe in god and some believe in science, big whoop, however if believing in one of those makes someone else happy, without hurting other people, why should they argue endlessly?

 

 

 

 

 

It does hurt people. Look at 9/11 or Northern Ireland or Discrimination against Atheists in many American schools. Take for example, the case of the girl who was kicked out of school for not joining the prayer circle. Disgusting.

[RichieMcD]

Religion cant be proved. OH MAI GOD THERES REMNANTS OF CARRIAGE WHEELS AND WEAPONS UNDER THE RED SEA MOSES MUSTVE BEEN THERE. no.

 

 

 

Neither can science be proven before the big bang. Neither side can prove where the universe came from, one follows a book where the world was created in 6 days, the other doesn't have enough evidence earlier than the big bang.

 

 

 

You just look stupid by implying people are stupid for believing in a religion. FYI if anybody wants to start some anti-religion thing towards me I'm Atheist.

 

 

 

What i don't understand is why people get at each others throats at this; so some people believe in god and some believe in science, big whoop, however if believing in one of those makes someone else happy, without hurting other people, why should they argue endlessly?

 

 

 

 

 

It does hurt people. Look at 9/11 or Northern Ireland or Discrimination against Atheists in many American schools. Take for example, the case of the girl who was kicked out of school for not joining the prayer circle. Disgusting.

 

 

 

What the hell does 9/11 and the troubles in Northern Ireland got to do with peoples belief in Religion or Science. Both are religious conflicts, 9/11 is Islam V America essentially, Northern Ireland is portrayed as Catholics V Protestants but it's more really Republicans (majority Catholics) V Loyalists (majority protestants / presbyterian)

[user1991]

Religion cant be proved. OH MAI GOD THERES REMNANTS OF CARRIAGE WHEELS AND WEAPONS UNDER THE RED SEA MOSES MUSTVE BEEN THERE. no.

 

 

 

Well, you could prove it theoretically.

 

 

 

But that's like saying you could prove that there is a unicorn on the moon. It isn't impossible. If there was one there, you could prove it was there. It is just so astronomically unlikely that we assume there isn't.

 

 

 

I assume there isn't a unicorn on the moon for the same reason I assume Jesus didn't rise from the dead.

 

 

 

Oh and also, a question that has just come to mind.. Why did Jesus even need to die for our sins? What would the act of dying do.. what purpose would it serve, why was it necessary? Any answers would be appreciated.

[Agunimon979]

@kranked1

 

 

 

What??? Where did I imply I thought people were being stupid for having religion? I just said these religion people all blindly follow a book written ages ago by desert nomads and have nothing to support the evidence that "ololol god iz real".

 

 

 

@thetruenoob

 

 

 

The bible says jesus died to hide the fact that he probably never existed so people dont go looking for him.

[jackattack]

 

I assume there isn't a unicorn on the moon for the same reason I assume Jesus didn't rise from the dead.

 

 

 

You may be a fundamentalist atheist if...

 

 

 

You can make a unicorn the centerpiece of an argument involving religion.

[RichieMcD]

 

I assume there isn't a unicorn on the moon for the same reason I assume Jesus didn't rise from the dead.

 

 

 

You may be a fundamentalist atheist if...

 

 

 

You can make a unicorn the centerpiece of an argument involving religion.

 

 

 

It's actually quite a good argument. Both sound very unrealistic, yet most Christians would call the idea of a unicorn on the moon ridiculous yet they'll believe a dead man rising from the dead and pushing away a boulder blocking the entrance weighing tons.

[jackattack]

Ya thats a very sound argument. You've really shaken my faith and the very core of christianity.