Existance

[Flame_guy3]

Now most of us will think that the Big Bang caused the Universe to be what it is. This is one of the most well known and well proved theories compared to the many others floating about.

 

 

 

Scientists have also said that the Universe will eventually go back when it stops expanding, a big rip occuring in space time. Now when this happens everything rips apart even down to the sub-atomic level and there is NOTHING THAT EXISTS.

 

 

 

Now i try to imagine what not existing is like... I think its black and then i realise you can't imagine it being black because there is no light existing, therefore no black to be seen. Then i imagine it being white and soundless and then i realise it can't be white either for the same reason. After that i try to not imagine anything, a blank image. But even blank has a colour somehow. Okay so now it needs to be colourless, soundless and nothing should be there. Impossible to imagine.

 

 

 

And then i always somehow manage to arrive back at the black thing... Even though i know its impossible im content with it or else i get a headache trying to think about it.

 

 

 

What do you think of Existance and non existance then? What do you think its like?

[Mercifull]

Non existence cannot be comprehended or modelled by the human brain.

[venomai]

Non existence cannot be comprehended or modelled by the human brain.

 

People say the same about God, yet we still don't hesitate to debate about him and jump to conclusions.

 

 

 

I believe the universe is infinite, and never truly stops existing. :)

 

But of course, that's just a guess...

[Barihawk]

To add to what Mercifull stated, attempting to think about non existence often frightens people. It's completely beyond our ability to comprehend.

[Mercifull]

To add to what Mercifull stated, attempting to think about non existence often frightens people. It's completely beyond our ability to comprehend.

Which is why the concept of heaven or reincarnation appears in cultures around the world. People are scared by the thought of complete nothingness and want to go on after death.

[NorthernHero]

What do you think of Existance and non existance then? What do you think its like?

 

We've all been there, before we were born. Thats what it's like.

[dsavi]

I know what it feels like, if you can say that you ever could feel it.

 

 

 

Have you ever fainted, for example after donating blood? When you are completely blacked out, it's indescribable.

 

And, come to think of it, that sentence is a paradox.

[Evilperson]

You're right, i don't know what existance is.

 

 

 

Existence on the other hand, is impossible to describe. For something to exist, it needs to be able to be perceived. Therefore, if you cannot perceive something, it does not exist. Thus, it is impossible to perceive non-existence. You could say non-existence doesn't exist. We can only formulate ideas about non-existence.

[Ragen]

I went through a stage about a year ago trying to comprehend death and non-existance. It almost drew me back to going to church with the fear of it. I came to the conclusion that not thinking about death was best as I couldn't cope with the idea of an end to life. I think I handle it now by not confronting the issue and letting life carry on, enjoying it.

 

 

 

Some people might find it easy but being an aesthist/ theisist can be really hard at time for me.

[warri0r45]

I don't see anything particularly scary about not existing some day. I don't think I want to exist forever. I think that prospect is kind of scary to me. I need my eternal rest.

 

 

 

But yeah, it's not as if I'd actually be resting, I just wouldn't be. Like people have said, it's hard to comprehend.

[BlueLancer]

I went through a stage about a year ago trying to comprehend death and non-existance. It almost drew me back to going to church with the fear of it. I came to the conclusion that not thinking about death was best as I couldn't cope with the idea of an end to life. I think I handle it now by not confronting the issue and letting life carry on, enjoying it.

 

 

 

Some people might find it easy but being an aesthist/ theisist can be really hard at time for me.

 

 

 

I don't particularly care about, or fear death... What I fear sometimes is the prospect I may have to be born again (not a religious belief, but since I'm already born in this human form, no way to even know if I had 'existed' before)

 

 

 

Frankly, the odds are extremely high to be born an impoverished child in India, China, African countries etc... And die quite soon during your childhood. Being caught in a loop like that, not being able to effect the world around you in any way let alone stay alive, is quite scary.

 

 

 

I'd rather take the 'eternal nonexistence' :lol:

[Phil]

Frankly, the odds are extremely high to be born an impoverished child in India, China, African countries etc... And die quite soon during your childhood. Being caught in a loop like that, not being able to effect the world around you in any way let alone stay alive, is quite scary.

 

 

 

I'd rather take the 'eternal nonexistence' :lol:

 

Ever played 'Real Lives'? It's a game pretty much what you are describing there. Interesting little game that will keep you entertained for a while.

 

http://www.educationalsimulations.com/

[venomai]

I know what it feels like, if you can say that you ever could feel it.

 

 

 

Have you ever fainted, for example after donating blood? When you are completely blacked out, it's indescribable.

 

And, come to think of it, that sentence is a paradox.

 

I've blacked out from an injury before. Same feeling. It's just absolute "nothingness". But this is personal non-existence. The non-existence of the universe is a whole different ball game, if you ask me.

 

 

 

Existence on the other hand, is impossible to describe. For something to exist, it needs to be able to be perceived. Therefore, if you cannot perceive something, it does not exist. Thus, it is impossible to perceive non-existence.

 

I disagree with your logic. Microscopic cells, for example, exist whether or not we perceive them. Before the time that cells were observed, they still existed, we simply hadn't the technology and mind-power available to perceive them.

 

 

 

For a more recent example, take a look at the discovery of dark matter. This is something that we cannot (currently) observe through science, and it's something that we have only recently started to comprehend.

 

 

 

I suspect that, eventually, we will evolve enough to fully understand the nature of dark matter. Of course, when we evolve to that point, there will be other questions; each one deeper and more complex than the next.

 

 

 

We've only just scratched the surface of "reality". :) How far down the rabbit hole will we go?

[doomy]

Imo it goes like this:

 

 

 

Our universe is not infnite, and all it is is an atom of a larger universe, which is an atom of a larger universe etc...If you leave our universe you find your self in another one...

 

 

 

Thats what i think :P

 

 

 

In this case non existance doesn't exist :?

[Smapla]

Are we talking about the non existence of matter, or the non existence of space?

 

 

 

If no matter existed it'd simply be infinite space, an infinite vacuum.

[Evilperson]

I disagree with your logic. Microscopic cells, for example, exist whether or not we perceive them. Before the time that cells were observed, they still existed, we simply hadn't the technology and mind-power available to perceive them.

 

 

 

For a more recent example, take a look at the discovery of dark matter. This is something that we cannot (currently) observe through science, and it's something that we have only recently started to comprehend.

 

 

 

I suspect that, eventually, we will evolve enough to fully understand the nature of dark matter. Of course, when we evolve to that point, there will be other questions; each one deeper and more complex than the next.

 

 

 

We've only just scratched the surface of "reality". :) How far down the rabbit hole will we go?

 

 

 

 

 

So then you are supposing that reality includes non-existence? Aren't the two definitions contradictory to one another? I realize that is why you put it in quotation marks, but still.

 

 

 

I guess my logic does have a flaw in that you would have to assume that "non-existence" is impossible to prove, and physically describe/understand. If something had the property of "non-existence", then it wouldn't exist and therefore could not contain any properties. Just because we haven't discovered it yet, doesn't mean it is possible to discover. Perceiving is different than ignorance/being unaware.

 

 

 

Ps. FIX THE TITLE

[dsk803]

i cant be comprehended thats why there is faith

[underu2000]

You spelled existence wrong lulz :mrgreen:

 

 

 

I always thought that if a person understood what it was like to not exist, or to simply be dead, he could use his mind to simply die, suicide. It's a strange theory for sure, but it's not disproven yet! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Besides, it's yet another thing that the human mind cannot comprehend. Our mind, as said before, only comprehends what it perceives or infers through perception. Since we never experienced what the experience of non-existence is like, we can't reason or prove anything about it.

 

 

 

As for the universe, I imagine that it's infinitely forms, and destroys itself, over and over again. Like the dude in the movie K-PAX said, the universe continuously forms and reforms, with the passage of time occurring exactly the same way it did every cycle. That means you can end up in the future if you go backwards in time. All fancy thinking of course, but imagination is nice.

 

 

 

Back to the perception thing, it raises the question of how much we really perceive. I'm sure you all realize how limited we are in 3+1 dimensions. Just like a 2D character can't imagine the scope of 3 dimensions, we are quite ignorant of the other dimensions (what, 7 others?) that could are imagined to exist. I mean, things like the String theory (which I only partially understand) attempt to answer unexplained things in the universe from matters we've never percieved, but how many answers to the universe those topics hold, is anyone's guess.

[mrpez]

I don't know how to imagine non-existence, but I'm sure glad I won't be around when it happens (I hope).

[Zonorhc]

It goes something like this...

 

 

 

Phng'lui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

[xvillexvalox]

Think about nothingness scientifically and then you can try and imagine it.

 

 

 

No radiation. No visible light. No waves. No pressure.

 

No friction. No heat. No odor. No taste. No sound. No texture.

 

 

 

Because there are no waves, everything would just be black, because black is the absence of light/color, and black doesn't have a wave associated with it.

 

 

 

There is nothing, so nothing will hit anything, so there wouldn't be friction or sound.

 

 

 

There is nothing to heat anything, no energy. I'd assume the temperature would then be absolute 0, -273.15 Celcius (0 Kelvin).

 

 

 

Basically, there is nothing but black. Though... what would be the hardest thing to imagine would be no pressure, you would automatically disperse throughout the infinite nothingness.

[warri0r45]

Think about nothingness scientifically and then you can try and imagine it.

 

 

 

No radiation. No visible light. No waves. No pressure.

 

No friction. No heat. No odor. No taste. No sound. No texture.

 

 

 

Because there are no waves, everything would just be black, because black is the absence of light/color, and black doesn't have a wave associated with it.

 

 

 

There is nothing, so nothing will hit anything, so there wouldn't be friction or sound.

 

 

 

There is nothing to heat anything, no energy. I'd assume the temperature would then be absolute 0, -273.15 Celcius (0 Kelvin).

 

 

 

Basically, there is nothing but black. Though... what would be the hardest thing to imagine would be no pressure, you would automatically disperse throughout the infinite nothingness.

 

 

 

Just to nitpick, with no matter, there would be no temperature, be it 0K or 1,000,000K. Reason being there's no matter particles to measure the average kinetic energy of.

[wildernessfreelancer]

You really can't imagine what non-existence is like.

 

Example: A 2-D stickman can't imagine himself in 3-D.

 

Point: It's out of logic to the observer.

 

Apply that example to our dimension and you get the point. :ohnoes:

[Kiriyama]

I generally take it as a good idea not to think about this sort of question.

 

 

 

In non-exsistance, nothing can exsist, so how can we imagine what its is like, after all if someone managed to know what non-exsistance is like, then technically its still exsistance.

[Ezz]

Yeah, it's quite hard to imagine.

 

 

 

What do you remember from before you were born? Nothing, that's how it is :P You are not able to understand the nothingness since you don't exist either, and there is no time and space.