The following dialogue is everybody's conversation about how 126's will gain combat levels with summoning.

 

 

 

Random_Joe1: Heh, summoning will raise your combat to 138.

 

Random_Joe2: Its supposed to be just like prayer.

 

Random_Joe1: So that means its 1 cmb level every 8 summoning levels.

 

Random_Joe2: O nice, I guess that means it'll only be 98 summoning for 138 combat. After all, that's what prayer is!

 

Random_Joe1: But wait, it would be 98 if you had 98 prayer. With 99 prayer, you'll only need 97 summoning!

 

Random_Joe2: U smart pls

 

 

 

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I've been asked how summoning will affect f2p. I'm assuming the skill will be p2p, but f2p will pick up level 1 summoning from it. This will give the effect of an extra prayer level free of charge.

 

 

 

The max combat level is 126.23. Debated, whatever. We'll use it for now.

 

Its something close to a combat level every 4 defence or hitpoints levels and one every 3 attack or strength levels. Prayer is obviously one every 8.

 

 

 

Wait. Wait. Wait. 126 comes at 98 prayer. 98 is not divisible by eight. 96 is. Actually, neither 82 nor 90 is divisible by eight. All these calculations assume your attack, strength, defence, and hitpoints are 99.

 

 

 

98 prayer will get you 126.105 combat.

 

90 prayer will get you 125.105 combat.

 

82 prayer will get you 124.105 combat.

 

And so on.

 

 

 

Everybody assumes 98 summoning will be required for 138 combat. Lets do some basic mathematics.

 

 

 

138 combat - 126.23 max combat = 11.77 combat levels

 

11.77 combat levels divided by .125 levels per summoning level equals 94.16, or level 95 summoning.

 

 

 

Now, I bet you've all whipped out either your calculators or your doubtfulness. 95 is such a strange number! Didn't you say 96 was divisible by 8? Shouldn't it be nearer to 99?

 

 

 

I'll give you more supporting math if you'd like; all you have to do is click the hidden text.

 

 

 

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By Random_Joe1's Reasoning

 

96 is divisible by 8. However, you have an extra prayer level left over from 99. Therefore its kicked down a level to 95.

 

 

 

By Multiplying the Value Out

 

126.23 added to 99 times one-eighth, or .125, equals 138.605, the new maximum combat level. Check it: If you subtract 4 summoning levels, 4*.125, it comes out to 138.105.

 

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One point to add, if you haven't read the spoilers, is the new maximum combat level. Its 138.605. EDIT: 3___hit___u's calculator shows some difference. I don't think it matters much though.

 

 

 

Now that you believe me, if you've actually read this far, is the meaning of it. Why the hell does it effect me? I'm going to give you the summoning level required for each new combat level. These will only work if you have maxed melees and a common prayer level.

 

 

 

NOTE

 

If you don't have maxed melees, tough luck. IF you have a combat level that is (#)##.105, you can still use these tables. You can tell if you have (#)##.105 if you need 8 prayer levels, 3 attack/strength, or 4 defense/hitpoints levels to your new combat level (basically, just leveled up). Subtract your combat level from 126. Subtract the difference from the new combat level.

 

 

 

What if I don't have that type of combat level?

 

If you're somewhere random in terms of combat level, you need to find a calculator that will tell you your combat level with a percent. Tipit's doesn't do it, and the only one I am aware of that does this is runehq's at http://www.runehq.com/RHQCalcView.php?id=00671 . Unfortunately, this calculator isn't 100% accurate. Once you know your combat level with percent, subtract it from your desired combat level. Then divide the difference by .125 and you have the required number of summoning levels you need to get for that level (not to be confused with total summoning level and ROUND UP.

 

 

 

For example, I'm level 123.575. Say with the release of summoning I have 1 summoning and 123.825. I want 130 combat.

 

 

 

130-123.825 = 6.175

 

6.175/.125 = 49.4 summoning levels.

 

 

 

Here is where the tricky part kicks in. I need 49.4 summoning levels - that needs to be rounded up to 50. Then I need to ADD my current summoning level to it, leaving 50+1 or level 51 summoning.

 

 

 

3 hit u has made a great calculator to figure out your new combat level with summoning. It can be found here.

 

 

 

Use this table if you have 99 prayer

 

 

 

Level 127 = 7 summoning

 

Level 128 = 15 summoning

 

Level 129 = 23 summoning

 

Level 130 = 31 summoning

 

Level 131 = 39 summoning

 

Level 132 = 47 summoning

 

Level 133 = 55 summoning

 

Level 134 = 63 summoning

 

Level 135 = 71 summoning

 

Level 136 = 79 summoning

 

Level 137 = 87 summoning

 

Level 138 = 95 summoning

 

 

 

 

 

Use this table if you have 98, 90, 82, 74, 66, or so on prayer

 

 

 

Level 127 = 8 summoning

 

Level 128 = 16 summoning

 

Level 129 = 24 summoning

 

Level 130 = 32 summoning

 

Level 131 = 40 summoning

 

Level 132 = 48 summoning

 

Level 133 = 56 summoning

 

Level 134 = 64 summoning

 

Level 135 = 72 summoning

 

Level 136 = 80 summoning

 

Level 137 = 88 summoning

 

Level 138 = 96 summoning

 

 

 

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Given this, what combat levels are going to become the new 100? 120? 124, 125, 126?

Wow, nice math :shock: How long did it take you to figure that all out?

Wow, you would be lvl 150 if Wasting Time skill would gain combat levels.

It took me less than an hour :(

 

 

 

I thought you guys would want to know what summoning level you need and what level is needed for first 138 but I guess not :(

:-s :-s

 

Hmm very intresting :-k, how long it take you to do that math?

 

Anyway..i think its going to be cool seeing lvl 130s and higher.

 

-Haseo

Sorry about the double post.

 

It took me less than an hour :(

 

 

 

I thought you guys would want to know what summoning level you need and what level is needed for first 138 but I guess not :(

 

I was thinking that 99 summing would not yeld 138 combat, but a lower lvl was needed... i was thinking low 90s . But i was not going to go into that much work to see what is needed for 138 combat

Sorry about the double post.

 

It took me less than an hour :(

 

 

 

I thought you guys would want to know what summoning level you need and what level is needed for first 138 but I guess not :(

 

I was thinking that 99 summing would not yeld 138 combat, but a lower lvl was needed... i was thinking low 90s . But i was not going to go into that much work to see what is needed for 138 combat

 

 

 

It helps when you've been thinking about it for several days and your account just got stuck in an offline world

Awesome job! :thumbsup: I am one that wanted to know what summoning levels I need for combat 138.

 

Thanks for information and the effort.

if each summoning lvl adds 1/8 or 0.125 combat lvl, it is not so hard to calculate your combat lvl even if you don't have 99 melee stats. ;)

 

 

 

Use tip.it combat calc. add 0.125 for each summoning lvl and round the result down towards the nearest integer.

 

 

 

the big question will be: will each summoning lvl add exactly 0.125 or a little more or less.

Awesome!

 

95 will be so much easier than 98. :D

Hmm I was thinking about this when I first read the 3rd summoning diary. Nice Work :thumbsup:

wow great work!

23 summoning for 127 cmb, and never dealing with wild dogs again :roll:

 

 

 

yes plz@

If this works out right, it looks like I've have Level 138 Combat with only Level 95 Summoning. Although I would probably want to get Level 99 Summoning to go with all my other Level 99 Combat Skills.

 

 

 

Good work. :)

if each summoning lvl adds 1/8 or 0.125 combat lvl, it is not so hard to calculate your combat lvl even if you don't have 99 melee stats. ;)

 

 

 

Use tip.it combat calc. add 0.125 for each summoning lvl and round the result down towards the nearest integer.

 

 

 

the big question will be: will each summoning lvl add exactly 0.125 or a little more or less.

 

 

 

Problem is, tip it doesn't give decimals.

 

 

 

Say your maxed except for strength. There's a big difference (about two thirds of a combat level) between having 96 and 98 strength, but tip's calc doesn't show it.

 

 

 

As for your last question, I can't answer for sure. Jagex says its similar to prayer, and I can't see why they'd make it different.

 

 

 

Your question is intriguing though. A minute with my calculator told me that the minimum percent of a level summoning can be is .1185. That's a combat level every 8.44 summoning levels. As thats such an akward number that doesn't even round up to 9 I think Jagex would keep it at .125.

23 summoning for 127 cmb, and never dealing with wild dogs again :roll:

 

 

 

yes plz@

 

 

 

Wouldn't THAT be great, but I fear as they are designed to annoy even the highest level players Jagex will adjust them for the update....

 

 

 

:cry: :cry:

I have 27M from merchanting + a visage drop for summoning. I'm so excited I'll probably blow it all on the first day of summoning on 90 summoning, or some level around there. :P

 

 

 

I'm looking foward to easy triple digit combat, summoning should give me a nice boost.

23 summoning for 127 cmb, and never dealing with wild dogs again :roll:

 

 

 

yes plz@

 

 

 

Wouldn't THAT be great, but I fear as they are designed to annoy even the highest level players Jagex will adjust them for the update....

 

 

 

:cry: :cry:

 

 

 

That would make me cut irl

23 summoning for 127 cmb, and never dealing with wild dogs again :roll:

 

 

 

yes plz@

 

 

 

Wouldn't THAT be great, but I fear as they are designed to annoy even the highest level players Jagex will adjust them for the update....

 

 

 

:cry: :cry:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i thought that as well, w/e. jagex said this is going to be a challenging skill to raise, i hope its not as "challenging" as construction

Looks pretty cool :)

 

 

 

Thanks for the calculations

you could be off, with 99 prayer its about 126.225 the fraction could play a big part it could be at 97 or even 98.

you could be off, with 99 prayer its about 126.225 the fraction could play a big part it could be at 97 or even 98.

 

 

 

Ok some more math based on 126.225 assumption.

 

 

 

11.775 combat levels to get with .125 per summoning level

 

11.775/.125 = 94.2 (went up .04)

 

 

 

Its at the low end of the 94 spectrum.

you could be off, with 99 prayer its about 126.225 the fraction could play a big part it could be at 97 or even 98.

 

 

 

Ok some more math based on 126.225 assumption.

 

 

 

11.775 combat levels to get with .125 per summoning level

 

11.775/.125 = 94.2 (went up .04)

 

 

 

Its at the low end of the 94 spectrum.

 

 

 

It's not jagex decide formula not you you dont divide it into 99 because jagex could have meant for it to be 98 levels, like prayer so instead of making assumptions wait until its released.

 

 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

so spectrum this \ :XD:

you could be off, with 99 prayer its about 126.225 the fraction could play a big part it could be at 97 or even 98.

 

 

 

Ok some more math based on 126.225 assumption.

 

 

 

11.775 combat levels to get with .125 per summoning level

 

11.775/.125 = 94.2 (went up .04)

 

 

 

Its at the low end of the 94 spectrum.

 

 

 

It's not jagex decide formula not you you dont divide it into 99 because jagex could have meant for it to be 98 levels, like prayer so instead of making assumptions wait until its released.

 

 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

so spectrum this \ :XD:

Get over yourself.

Im just gonna laugh when people who are like 126 dont really notice the change and then start seeing people in "red" now.