db300 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 The evidence they gave showed nothing, and then you got an automated response. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbyblad0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 It's a priviledge just like it is a priviledge in real life. Although you are protected by the first amendment, the way in which you speak is meant to be done responsibly. eg: You can't scream fire in a crowded movie theater. In terms of Runescape, you should talk to people respectfully and responsibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhenriksen Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Uhm... As you stated yourself, a priviledge, priviledges can be taken at any time, if speaking in RS was a right we'd have the biggest bunch of flamers ever seen in-game. R.I.P. Shiva and Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roseiah Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A lot of people tend to forget that the people they are talking to in-game are real people. So when you are in runescape you lose the fear and gain confidence. This means that you never know the person behind the computer making it easier for you to say things you wouldn't usually say. Talking in runescape isn't a right, Jagex don't have to give you that right. People often abuse the availability to talk because they aren't talking to someone face to face. So if you decide to break rules through your chat then Jagex have every right to take the chat away from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makoto_the_Phoenix Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 As cliché as real-life parallels are in this situation... Consider just how much of a privilege speaking is when you yell at or curse out your mother. It's not like she's taking away your privilege, she's just disciplining you for abusing it. Same principle applies here. Linux User/Enthusiast | Full-Stack Software Engineer | Stack Overflow Member | GIMP User...Alright, the Elf City update lured me back to RS over a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Servo Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 It's like having a driver's license. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Do something wrong, and you get your license revoked. Same goes for speaking in Runescape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elit9 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 No, talking in RS isn't a *privilege, it's a right (the opposite of the usual saying). It is a right given to you when you create your RS account; if it were a privilege you'd have to do something or other to earn it. While it is a right, you can't use that fact to defend illegal behavior such as using offensive language (or other text-related abuses). It's just like something you will learn in any basic government class in America (and maybe a lot of other countries too, but I don't know) - the right to free speech is protected by the first amendment, but the amendment will NOT protect illegal activities under the umbrella of "free speech". For example, claiming defense under the first amendment after, say, calling in bomb threats is not going to work. In real life, you'd go to jail for breaking the law. In RS, "breaking the law" earns you a mute as punishment instead (or with enough offenses, I suppose, the RS death penalty - a ban). You could argue that a mute effectively takes away your rights, but the reason for muting as punishment is the fact that there really aren't any other effective deterrents short of a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanders Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 What's a privallage? Sounds like a new kind of elitist french pie closed off to the public! if it were a privilege you'd have to do something to earn it Touché :lol: 2480+ total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanksrule Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 It's like having a driver's license. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Do something wrong, and you get your license revoked. Same goes for speaking in Runescape. oh yes but your forgetting that with a drivers license you can get points on it. and you can take a defensive driving course to get rid of those. you can't get rid of your black marks in rs. well not as far as i know. Wow, watching this thread is better than pro wrestling! =D>This thread is probably better than pro wrestling because the fights here are real (And the boobs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 It's like having a driver's license. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Do something wrong, and you get your license revoked. Same goes for speaking in Runescape. oh yes but your forgetting that with a drivers license you can get points on it. and you can take a defensive driving course to get rid of those. you can't get rid of your black marks in rs. well not as far as i know. Points = Blackmarks Defensive driving = appeals You can get marks off for every offense on your driving record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makoto_the_Phoenix Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 No, talking in RS isn't a *privilege, it's a right (the opposite of the usual saying). It is a right given to you when you create your RS account; if it were a privilege you'd have to do something or other to earn it. While it is a right, you can't use that fact to defend illegal behavior such as using offensive language (or other text-related abuses). It's just like something you will learn in any basic government class in America (and maybe a lot of other countries too, but I don't know) - the right to free speech is protected by the first amendment, but the amendment will NOT protect illegal activities under the umbrella of "free speech". No, RuneScape is not a democracy, nor is it some institute that has to uphold freedom of speech. It's not even American. That means that it's a privilege, and it can be revoked at any time if you break their rules. Linux User/Enthusiast | Full-Stack Software Engineer | Stack Overflow Member | GIMP User...Alright, the Elf City update lured me back to RS over a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Because playing RuneScape is opitional. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazarabbit Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Because playing RuneScape is opitional. This summed it all up for me. You don't have to play runescape thus making it a a feature of the game to talk. If you abuse it that is your loss. There are rules in place which you agree too when you sign up for an account, not only that it is stated in the terms and conditions that the account remains the property of Jagex LTD and they can do whatever this wish with it. Proud Tip.It Moderator December 07 - October 2009Proud TETAU Member 2006 - 2007 <3"I had a standing agreement with god. I'd agree to believe in him, barely, so long as he let me sleep in on Sundays." - Rose Hathaway[ Posting & You ] [ Forum Rules ] [ Next Tetau Event ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanksrule Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 you also don't HAVE to watch tv but when we do we get mad when we see something on it that we don't agree with. same with the internet. and guess what's on the internet. runescape. ok so back on topic- no it's not a democracy because it's a game. but jagex also knows that it's a capitalistic type of game so based on supply and demand (the demand being the content we get from the game) we should at least get a say on things that we like and don't like. it wouldn't be smart to have a buissnes where if something is wrong with your product then oh well too bad, deal with it. so i kinda wanna say- hey. i contribute to this game. i've helped people continue playing this game. i also have membership and i don't go around the rules. i am still able to talk on game too so i'm not saying this out of bitter words. i also have a friend that just got muted. it's almost like having a friend that quit. they're pretty much not there. "oh but there's quick chat and emotes" well guess what- you can't say what do you think of this update or how about you wanna do somethin? i'm bored. something simple like that. you also can't say i hate/like/love this update because of -----. so i kind of think it's dumb that you can't express yourself thoroughly in a game. imagine being muted on the tip.it forums. (being banned would mean you can't go on forums at all and see threads) off topic--- i thought this thread died but now since we're back in time it's kind of good that this topic came back :D Wow, watching this thread is better than pro wrestling! =D>This thread is probably better than pro wrestling because the fights here are real (And the boobs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomyth105 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 it is a privalidge (too lazy to spell it right) because it is just another freedoms. it is so much better than automated responses. u can talk about anything with the exception of the filter blocking out curse words etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Servo Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 No, talking in RS isn't a *privilege, it's a right (the opposite of the usual saying). It is a right given to you when you create your RS account; if it were a privilege you'd have to do something or other to earn it. While it is a right, you can't use that fact to defend illegal behavior such as using offensive language (or other text-related abuses). It's just like something you will learn in any basic government class in America (and maybe a lot of other countries too, but I don't know) - the right to free speech is protected by the first amendment, but the amendment will NOT protect illegal activities under the umbrella of "free speech". No, RuneScape is not a democracy, nor is it some institute that has to uphold freedom of speech. It's not even American. That means that it's a privilege, and it can be revoked at any time if you break their rules. In addition to that, Runescape and everything in it including your character is Jagex's property. THEY have the right to to whatever they will with it. It's their legal right. Even if you did nothing wrong, they can just mute/ban you just for the fun of it and you can't do anything about it. You earn the privilege to talk in Runescape by not breaking the rules. You break them, that's it. No more talky for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddo89 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 If you step into my house. It is in my legal right to tell you shut up, turn around and GET THE HELL out. This is quite the same for JaGex. Freedom of speech is universal, it is backed by UN and perhaps only democracy embrace it better than most other systems. To the point of the matter. When you agree to play their game, in a way, you give up some rights. You agreed to those when you created your character. It doesn't matter if you pay, they can kick you out of the game IF they find you broke the terms of service. Right to speak is a privilege as it is in their domain. It is a privilege for those who sticks within the rules. Templar GuardiansWhen are trying to lend something, the word to use is borrow. Not barrows, which is a mini-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat666 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 No, talking in RS isn't a *privilege, it's a right (the opposite of the usual saying). It is a right given to you when you create your RS account; if it were a privilege you'd have to do something or other to earn it. While it is a right, you can't use that fact to defend illegal behavior such as using offensive language (or other text-related abuses). It's just like something you will learn in any basic government class in America (and maybe a lot of other countries too, but I don't know) - the right to free speech is protected by the first amendment, but the amendment will NOT protect illegal activities under the umbrella of "free speech". No, RuneScape is not a democracy, nor is it some institute that has to uphold freedom of speech. It's not even American. That means that it's a privilege, and it can be revoked at any time if you break their rules. In addition to that, Runescape and everything in it including your character is Jagex's property. THEY have the right to to whatever they will with it. It's their legal right. Even if you did nothing wrong, they can just mute/ban you just for the fun of it and you can't do anything about it. You earn the privilege to talk in Runescape by not breaking the rules. You break them, that's it. No more talky for you. Correct. If you are using Jagex servers then you have to follow Jagex's rules. Freedom of speech is irrelevant. If you went into your classroom and started swearing, or even stood up front and talked whilst the teacher was talking you'd expect a trip to the headteachers office. It's the same on an online game. You have to respect the rules of the server. I'll admit Jagex's rules are a bit harsh, especially on censorship, but you have to remember the game is played by young children and Jagex need to protect them or else they get it in the neck. Trust the Gene Genie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir321 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Talking is a privilege. This doesn't even have to be a MULTI player game or be $5 a month. The point where we confuse rights with privileges is where we lose both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanksrule Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Talking is a privilege. This doesn't even have to be a MULTI player game or be $5 a month. The point where we confuse rights with privileges is where we lose both. heh. you know what's a privilege? driving. imagine if your parents/guardian couldn't drive to work. it's almost like taking their job away. my dad's job is about 50-60 miles away and if he lost his liscence he'd be forced to quite. but it's a privilege. the government has the right to take your driving rights away from you. *i think in texas though you can drive to and from work but not in ny* electricity is a privilege i guess too because if you don't pay the bill you don't get it. you certainly don't need it to live. just talk to the Hamish. (i'd like for some one to take offense to that :lol: ) so if you also don't have to talk at all in this game, you then don't need money in this game. you might argue that money makes rs go round but if talking were to be completely eliminated from runescape do you really think people would stick around for much longer? i sure wouldn't. Wow, watching this thread is better than pro wrestling! =D>This thread is probably better than pro wrestling because the fights here are real (And the boobs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallettheif Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 It's a privilege because... JAGEX ARE COMMUNISTS OMFG. The game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_klutz Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Uhm... As you stated yourself, a priviledge, priviledges can be taken at any time, if speaking in RS was a right we'd have the biggest bunch of flamers ever seen in-game. Question mark makes the sentence a question. Not a statement. Regardless I think saying free speech would get you the biggest bunch of flamers ever is a dumb thing. Tons of games have free speech/VOIP/Vent/etc... and most people are civilized on them. It really just reflects the RS community. If you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature. ^^^At least I'm not the only crazy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatrunearrow Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Uhm... As you stated yourself, a priviledge, priviledges can be taken at any time, if speaking in RS was a right we'd have the biggest bunch of flamers ever seen in-game. Question mark makes the sentence a question. Not a statement. Regardless I think saying free speech would get you the biggest bunch of flamers ever is a dumb thing. Tons of games have free speech/VOIP/Vent/etc... and most people are civilized on them. It really just reflects the RS community. I agree we should be able to have the option to have free speech... at least if you're over 13 or something... I love the free speech in games on the 360 ... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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