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Hi I've been wondering these 2 questions for a while so here they are.

 

 

 

How can America call a war on...say a random country? How would citizens, congress, and everybody actually agree and civilians would become soldiers to fight for a invasion for a war for no apprent reason?

 

 

 

Also How would any other country declare war on another country? Is their like a system, like evidence, beliefs or can the president/queen/king/emprior just be like 'I feel like starting a war' ?

 

 

 

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With America, the President can't just attack any random country he wants. He either has to be able to convince the Congress to let him, or the opponent has to make a clear attack against this country. Also, I think that thanks to Iraq, the President can't just dupe the country like they done with it.

 

 

 

For other countries, not as sure. With dictatorships, it's basically whatever the head says goes.

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they're not in iraq for no reason thats for sure. for one they're fighting terrorism because people are still being taken hostage and embassies are still being attacked, lot of innocent people are dieing. trying to bring peace and democracy to the middle east

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The President can ask congress for a declaration of war. Aside from that I think he could attack somewhere but would have to be out within 60 days but I'm not sure.

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In theory, the President has to ask Congress. The people never have a say in it (unless through violence)... But in reality, if the President has a strong group of loyalists he can kill all Congress and declear a dictatorship. But thats going too far. :lol:

 

 

 

A system for making war? Haha. There is no international law, so a country can make war if it wants to, even the US. Now weither the people will put up with it, is a different matter. Such as in 1917 Russia, Lenin (64 :P ) led a revolution against the Czar. But usually if the people are safe and happy, there won't be a revolt; like in the US. Bush can take another presidental term and no one would really revolt against it. Why die if you have it alright? With the soviets, they had nothing so why not die for a possibility for a better future?

 

 

 

Keep the people happy, have some sort of secret police, and you (as a dictator) can do what ever you want.

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A system for making war? Haha. There is no international law, so a country can make war if it wants to, even the US. Now weither the people will put up with it, is a different matter. Such as in 1917 Russia, Lenin (64 :P ) led a revolution against the Czar. But usually if the people are safe and happy, there won't be a revolt; like in the US. Bush can take another presidental term and no one would really revolt against it. Why die if you have it alright? With the soviets, they had nothing so why not die for a possibility for a better future?

 

Actually, the October Revolution of 1917 was against the provisional government set in place after the 1914(?) revolt against the Czar. But it was possible because of the situation with WWI, and how unpopular it was with the people.

 

 

 

More on topic: Question #1 seems as if you're accusing America of attacking a random country and asking why and how they did that. But that hasn't happened. Bush convined Congress and the people that there was a reason to invade. And depending on the reason, the people will support it.

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*points to the two world wars* countries invaded france without a care in the world

 

Points to two dictators who ruled aggressive, hateful regimes. Besides, they knew France was an easy target.

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Oh, I also forgot to add that its concidered honourable if the attacker tells the defending country that he is going to attack and 'declear war'. Of course, its not nessecary but a mere honourable thing. I think during Pearl Harbor the Japanese declearation of war didn't make it to the US in time which made the Americans even more angry. I'm not sure though.

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they're not in iraq for no reason thats for sure. for one they're fighting terrorism because people are still being taken hostage and embassies are still being attacked, lot of innocent people are dieing. trying to bring peace and democracy to the middle east

 

 

 

That's not our job though....

 

 

 

Me thinks something fishy is going on in our "wonderful" country.

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We didn't go in solely for humanitarian reasons. That's not the only reason for staying either.

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I think I actually understand what he's trying to ask. Not so much about America's system of war, more of "What's the point of war, and why do people just agree, 'Okay, let's have a war.'"

 

 

 

To be honest, I don't get it either. But whatever. I'm no expert at this sort of thing.

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I just asked a striaght forward question :|

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I think I actually understand what he's trying to ask. Not so much about America's system of war, more of "What's the point of war, and why do people just agree, 'Okay, let's have a war.'"

 

 

Ahhh, I get it now. That answer is simple: money, money, and money. Land = money. For every new provience the Roman Empire got, they got a butload of money and slaves. Killing the Aztecs made Cortez and Spain wealthy. As Napoleon's war machine crossed through Europe he made France rich. This ended durning the 1800s and especially in WWI. With new warfare techology and methods, land gain wasn't as large as before. Trenches, machine guns, tanks, air combat made attacking very difficult and risky. So now you're wasting money on tanks and war machines but don't get profit in return since the taxes of ten acres isn't going to do you any good.

 

 

 

In the modern age and 21st century, war is outdated and inefficent. Countries have their land and should focus on keeping it, being on defence instead of attacking.

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We should never go into war in the first place... do you know how much money it costs? Do you know how much debt the united states has? War shouldve been the last thing we did.

 

 

 

 

 

Our debt has gone up by 3 trillion while the war has cost 600 billion. Its things like medicare, social security and welfare that increased the debt. Because Bush has been pandering to the dems and won't veto anything.

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Hi I've been wondering these 2 questions for a while so here they are.

 

 

 

How can America call a war on...say a random country? How would citizens, congress, and everybody actually agree and civilians would become soldiers to fight for a invasion for a war for no apprent reason?

 

 

 

Also How would any other country declare war on another country? Is their like a system, like evidence, beliefs or can the president/queen/king/emprior just be like 'I feel like starting a war' ?

 

 

 

Tell me if the questions don't make sense.

 

 

 

They wouldn't.Any good AoE player knows an economy is the support behind a military force.So you won't have 0% citizens 100% soldiers.Possibly an ally could send supplies (or hide in a bush and give supplies) but still you won't have that.

 

 

 

As per your second question.It sometimes relies on the countries' history with each other,like the conflict in the Middle East is over the past wars over Jerusalem.There's no "system" for starting a war,usually a country does something that offends another,that country does something to hinder the first,and a war begins.Thats what I can tell you from a historical stand point...History rocks!

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Nearly all wars are a result of ancient conflicts. There used to be hatred between Britain and France, Britain and America, France and Germany, China and Europe, South african states and other south african states, middle eastern states and other middle eastern states, Canada and everyone else 8-) .

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Nearly all wars are a result of ancient conflicts. There used to be hatred between Britain and France, Britain and America, France and Germany, China and Europe, South african states and other south african states, middle eastern states and other middle eastern states, Canada and everyone else 8-) .

 

 

 

Its more of most Middle Eastern states and Israel...There still is.Which means I can't go to Israel after I've been to Malaysia,or vice versa.Though I won't be going to Malaysia for a while,danged fuel hikes...

 

 

 

Canada hatred not so much...There was hatred in the East and West Roman Empire too,fun times those were.Byzantium totally pwned them.

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The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".

Amen, brother :lol:

Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)

amen Bruder! (german ftw)

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*points to the two world wars* countries invaded france without a care in the world

 

Points to two dictators who ruled aggressive, hateful regimes. Besides, they knew France was an easy target.

 

 

 

Points to Franz Ferdinand,whose assassination was the REAL reason for the first world war

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If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".

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The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".

Amen, brother :lol:

Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)

amen Bruder! (german ftw)

I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.

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