Is it serious?

[NorthernHero]

I get straight to the point of this topic: Do you think it is serious? By 'it' I mean everything. Is money serious? is school serious? Is work serious? Is love serious? Is life serious? - Is death serious? ... Is universe serious? I think there can be only one answer to all of these questions. Either it is serious, or it isn't.

 

 

 

But first we have to know what serious means.

 

[hide=serious]se·ri·ous (sîr-s)

 

adj.

 

1. Grave in quality or manner: gave me a serious look.

 

2.

 

a. Carried out in earnest: engaged in serious drinking; serious study of Italian.

 

b. Deeply interested or involved: a serious card player.

 

c. Designed for and addressing grave and earnest tastes: serious art; serious music.

 

d. Not trifling or jesting: I'm serious: we expect you to complete the assignment on time. Her question was serious enough to deserve a thoughtful response.

 

e. Of considerable size or scope; substantial: a cleanup that cost serious money.

 

f. Of such character or quality as to appeal to the expert, the connoisseur, or the sophisticate: "Every serious kitchen needs at least one peppermill" Washington Post.

 

3. Concerned with important rather than trivial matters: a serious student of history.

 

4.

 

a. Being of such import as to cause anxiety: serious injuries; a serious turn of events.

 

b. Too complex to be easily answered or solved: raised some serious objections to the proposal.[/hide]

 

Well that was too obvious, everyone knows what it means. It's something that could be also describet in such words as 'sincere' or 'grave', Something that could be obligatory.

 

 

 

My personal conclusion is, that it isn't. Bare with me, i'm not very good writer. Universe as I see it, is happening of things. Your life or my life are just one of those happening things. Human life is like a leaf flying in the wind. It has no serious purpose, it's just a leaf. It's just a human life. Why should you be serious about it? Seriousness is something that limits us from being who we are and being free. I think the survival instinc is something that can fool you into thinking that life is serious.

What the devil is the point of surviving, going on living, when it's a drag? But you see, that's what people do.

 

In funeral you have to be serious. Nobody is excpected to laugh at funeral. That makes me think people view death as serious thing too. But death isn't serious to the one that is death. He's facial expression is serious just because he don't have the tools to make another expressions anymore. His mortal ego is gone.

 

 

 

Why is death wieved as serious thing? What exactly is fear of death? It is fear of losing something that you never had. Silly. It is fear of losing your ego. Your self. Now, what is ego exactly? Ego is your consiousness that comes from mixture of things. When you were born, your ego was very minimal indeed, it had only the dna traits it and that means enviroment effect on it by previous generations. Then you started groving and enviroment in which you lived in shaped your ego to what it is now. That means your enviroment created you and it still is part of you. Your ego is the creation of your enviroment, it is not something that you should hold in very serious value. When you die and that ego dissolves as it is meant to be. But the enviroments that created the ego, inside your brain, doesn't dissappear. It's still there.

 

Are you still with me?

 

Ego's are just part of the play. They come and go. Like feelings. So what dies when you die is not you, but your ego. Thats why death isn't serious.

 

You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your [bleep]ing khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

 

 

 

If there was no death, there would be no life either. Or can you imagine life without death? That would mean everyhting would be at total standstill. Everything would be boring without death. Death is nessessary thing, and it happens whether you understand it's need to happen or not. So why be serious at funerals?

 

 

 

Now, if death isn't serious matter, why would life be? And furthermore, why would universe be serious to create such hilarious things it creates. You could view universe as music. It's just a vibrations in its basic level.

 

 

 

I'd love to write more but I already wasted hour on this and I have things to do. I'll get back on topic if I see some replys.

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

 

Whats your viewpoint on this? Is everything serious? And why? I don't care if you bring your religion into this, that is just how you think afterall. If it's to turn into religious depate then let it turn into it. But what i'd also like to hear is some scientific points of wievs about universe and how atheistic people wiev their life, if they feel that there is only one life? Is it serious?

[Lateralus]

If we're talking about life as in existence then I definitely believe it's serious. The dictionary actually provides me with two very good ways of explaining what I mean. The example of "Engaging in serious drinking" is pretty helpful. Serious drinking is fun in my experience. The next definition was "deeply interested or involved" which I also find to be true of life.

 

 

 

I have no idea if there is another plane of existence after this one, but I have no reason to expect there is, so I do take this life seriously. That is, I'm serious about making the best use of the time I have while I'm here.

 

 

 

Now, if you mean life as in the system that we've set up for ourselves with all the money and the promotions and the designer chairs, then it's easy to call that silly if you're on the outside looking in. It's also easy to see how people can fall into the trap of taking it seriously though.

[mrpez]

considering that the universe is infinitely large, it seems ridiculous that some people on this planet still consider themselves as "important".

[Lateralus]

considering that the universe is infinitely large, it seems ridiculous that some people on this planet still consider themselves as "important".

 

 

 

There's rarely a need for us to consider ourselves on that kind of scale. Anything can be made to seem minuscule by comparison.

[anonymous1234]

Why so serious?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone had to do it

 

please don't turn that into a new meme :pray:

 

 

 

I've thought about that too. What's the point when it is just existence, and isn't going to matter when the universe collapses and everything is dead. Plus, what Mrpez said, the universe is infinitely big, so 1 person's problem out of billions on one planet out of the infinite galaxies doesn't change anything

[issy2]

Why so serious?

 

 

 

Someone had to do it

 

please don't turn that into a new meme :pray:

 

 

 

I've thought about that too. What's the point when it is just existence, and isn't going to matter when the universe collapses and everything is dead. Plus, what Mrpez said, the universe is infinitely big, so 1 person's problem out of billions on one planet out of the infinite galaxies doesn't change anything

 

 

 

I'd have to disagree with you there. While I hate to be so uncaring, some people and their lives matter more, or make more of a difference, to the planet we live on. For instance if Barack Obama dies, it will have more of an impact on the world than a starving orphan in the slums of Mexico City. But then you could say, that starving orphan, in the right circumstances, could have grown up to be an an-poverty worker who tried to change the world. Bit like Mother Teresa. Sorry if that doesnt make sense/if its OT.

[Lenticular_J]

Doesn't matter to me. I'll still live as well as I can.

[user1991]

Why so serious?

 

 

 

Someone had to do it

 

please don't turn that into a new meme :pray:

 

 

 

I've thought about that too. What's the point when it is just existence, and isn't going to matter when the universe collapses and everything is dead. Plus, what Mrpez said, the universe is infinitely big, so 1 person's problem out of billions on one planet out of the infinite galaxies doesn't change anything

 

 

 

I'd have to disagree with you there. While I hate to be so uncaring, some people and their lives matter more, or make more of a difference, to the planet we live on. For instance if Barack Obama dies, it will have more of an impact on the world than a starving orphan in the slums of Mexico City. But then you could say, that starving orphan, in the right circumstances, could have grown up to be an an-poverty worker who tried to change the world. Bit like Mother Teresa. Sorry if that doesnt make sense/if its OT.

 

 

 

No, bro.

 

 

 

No life is more valuable than another, simply because of the reason you stated.

 

 

 

Well, I think the question of whether life is "serious" or not depends on whether you consider there to be meaning in anything. Personally, I think that the very fact that we do exist is meaning enough to live life.

 

 

 

True "freedom" would not limit or dictate to people what they can/cannot do with their lives (as long as it does not harm anyone else.) Due to the general meandering myopia of the public majority, the willingness to accept the traditional "live to work - work to live" mentality as the only path that can possibly be considered "productive" in turn limits the hidden creativity that we all possess by disabling any dreams and hopes one may have and cementing this idea of "guilt to the system" deep within our subconscious, which manifests itself into our belief system, stopping us from attaining our true potential.

 

 

 

Well, that's what I realised on an acid trip.

[assassin_696]

No life is more valuable than another, simply because of the reason you stated.

 

 

 

As issy said, empirically you can assign and quantify values to humans lives, but I agree from a moral perspective it's a slippery slope which is probably best not trodden.

[x1992x]

 

please don't turn that into a new meme :pray:

 

 

 

I've thought about that too. What's the point when it is just existence, and isn't going to matter when the universe collapses and everything is dead. Plus, what Mrpez said, the universe is infinitely big, so 1 person's problem out of billions on one planet out of the infinite galaxies doesn't change anything

 

 

 

have i missed something? did they finely get the proof that the universe is infinite big?(i hope so, i hate when i miss big things :( )

[NorthernHero]

Well, I think the question of whether life is "serious" or not depends on whether you consider there to be meaning in anything. Personally, I think that the very fact that we do exist is meaning enough to live life.

 

Yeah, seems to me if you think meaning behind a thing, it tends to become more serious. Music makes a good example. Play without meaning and it's swinging. Play to make money or to become famous, play seriously to make some point and it seems like the the music is missing something. I think everything outght to be viewed self purposeful. (no further purpose than the thing: music for music)

 

 

 

considering that the universe is infinitely large, it seems ridiculous that some people on this planet still consider themselves as "important".

 

I'd say they are right at saying they are important. But they are not any more important than anyone else.

 

 

 

If we're talking about life as in existence then I definitely believe it's serious. The dictionary actually provides me with two very good ways of explaining what I mean. The example of "Engaging in serious drinking" is pretty helpful. Serious drinking is fun in my experience. The next definition was "deeply interested or involved" which I also find to be true of life.

 

Good points. I think seriousness can mean two different things is grossly seperated. The one thing is that what you said. Getting deeply intrested or engaged in something. Like the word 'sincere'. The other definition would be more like the word 'grave'.

 

 

 

There are two different types of serious drinking. Other is drinking to your misery because your wife divorsed you. That is not a laughing matter and if someone comes and laughts at you, you will punch his teeth in because thats how seriously you are drinking.

 

Other is drinking to your joy because you are getting married. You could say you are seriously drinking, but it isn't serious actually.

 

 

 

Sorry for quoting again, but if I'd say this myself it would be just much lamer version of the same thing.

 

The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people.

 

What I want to say by this is that if you engage in something too seriously and forget that nothing is serious in basic level, it could turn out to be a trap.

[user1991]

Bill Hicks was a genius.

 

 

 

If any of you get the chance, try DMT. It really will change your perspective.

[issy2]

No life is more valuable than another, simply because of the reason you stated.

 

 

 

As issy said, empirically you can assign and quantify values to humans lives, but I agree from a moral perspective it's a slippery slope which is probably best not trodden.

 

 

 

Morally, you are certainly right, no one should ever be considered more important than another without good reason. But some people are going to have... an advantage... in how 'important' they are. Before I go any further I need to explain what I mean when I say 'important' - important in the sense that they are going to have more of an impact on the world, that after their death people will remember them more than someone else. It's certainly alot down to chance - I know this is an awful thing to say, but certain people are going to be catapaulted into 'importance' as soon as they're born, and will therefore have a massive advantage over others when it comes to making your mark on the world, changing other people's lives, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

But what i'd also like to hear is some scientific points of views about universe and how atheistic people view their life, if they feel that there is only one life? Is it serious?

 

I don't think you can ever really say "My life is a serious thing" or "I don't take life seriously." It's all down to circumstance, to time and place. At the moment I'll say my life itself isn't, and that I'm certain to feel differently at a different point in time.

 

About having more than one life - I find it really bizarre when people say "I'd like to believe there's a Heaven". I've never really understood that... I'd rather just die and not continue living, it seems stupid to spend eternity in the same place, with the same people. I guess it depends on what you believe about heaven.

[assassin_696]

No life is more valuable than another, simply because of the reason you stated.

 

 

 

As issy said, empirically you can assign and quantify values to humans lives, but I agree from a moral perspective it's a slippery slope which is probably best not trodden.

 

 

 

Morally, you are certainly right, no one should ever be considered more important than another without good reason. But some people are going to have... an advantage... in how 'important' they are. Before I go any further I need to explain what I mean when I say 'important' - important in the sense that they are going to have more of an impact on the world, that after their death people will remember them more than someone else. It's certainly alot down to chance - I know this is an awful thing to say, but certain people are going to be catapaulted into 'importance' as soon as they're born, and will therefore have a massive advantage over others when it comes to making your mark on the world, changing other people's lives, etc.

 

 

 

You're quite right, and I can see why you're tip-toeing round the issue a bit since it feels wrong to say it outright, but yes, certain people will simply add more value to the world simply by what country or family they're born into. Of course it's not a desirable situation, but sadly inevitable.

 

 

 

As to my views on life, I regard this as my only shot at it. And considering the chances of me existing are statistically vanishing, I feel I owe it to everyone who'll never even get the chance at living to give it my absolute best shot.

[Lateralus]

As to my views on life, I regard this as my only shot at it. And considering the chances of me existing are statistically vanishing, I feel I owe it to everyone who'll never even get the chance at living to give it my absolute best shot.

 

 

 

I've always found this to be an odd point when I hear people make it. You're definitely here, and that's all there is to it. If you weren't, you'd never know anything because you'd never be anything. You can't group nothingness into a collective like "everyone who'll never get a chance at living", so I don't think you owe them (and there's no "them" either, this is just quite difficult to articulate) anything.

[Solidus_77]

I've got things that I want to do, things I want to experience, things that I want to feel. It's important to me and that's all that matters. Hey, as long as I have fun :

[Stilev]

as much as we all want there to be some kind of desinty in our lives, we could never prove it, even if we wanted to, so i say live life the best you can, you only got one shot at so live it up while you can

 

 

 

booze, rave parties, sky diving, or just watching Tv, what ever you enjoy doing, do it :

[i_trollz_u]

I am always serious

[assassin_696]

As to my views on life, I regard this as my only shot at it. And considering the chances of me existing are statistically vanishing, I feel I owe it to everyone who'll never even get the chance at living to give it my absolute best shot.

 

 

 

I've always found this to be an odd point when I hear people make it. You're definitely here, and that's all there is to it. If you weren't, you'd never know anything because you'd never be anything. You can't group nothingness into a collective like "everyone who'll never get a chance at living", so I don't think you owe them (and there's no "them" either, this is just quite difficult to articulate) anything.

 

 

 

I know what you're saying, but I've had many an existentialist moment when considering whether or not i'd be conscious in some form or another if every causal event leading to my conception had been delayed by a second. Would I still be the same? Would I exist? I honestly don't know, and I agree it's almost an odd point to raise because clearly I do exist and "everyone else" never even did for a moment. So from a logical point of view, you're probably right, it's just i've always found the statistics so mind numbing that it does make me appreciate my life even more, whether that's right or wrong. Perhaps "oweing it to them" was the wrong choice of phrase, but it does make me appreciate the fragility of my existence.

[Range_This11]

There are times in life where you need to be serious, but for the rest: have a ball. Life is far too short to be caught worrying or being depressed about the little things. You only realize how much time you've squandered away worrying or taking it "seriously" when you get older. Take life one step at a time, roll with the punches, and live like you've nothing to lose. Live a life full of no regrets and you'll always find yourself waking up in the morning ready to keep going. Laugh at everything. No matter how "grave" something is, there is always an amount of comedy in it.

[Sir_Alex85]

It's all about as serious as the internet-- and that's some pretty serious business.

[Gravy]

Life in general? The depth of the original post kind of set my off this topic.

 

 

 

I don't view life, as all that serious. I live mine to have fun, people have acknowledged this and wonder why.

 

 

 

Take exams for example; many people will revise for these and resit if they don't do all too well. (Warning: Opinion) I won't. I see no reason in enhancing potential grades for which I'll never be able to recall, or resiting a test to only achieve my capability of which I put into it before.

 

 

 

I don't care about the job I get, as long it's fun and I can socialize with new friends in it, who cares about the pay, I can get buy.

 

 

 

To stop tracking off, life in general isn't serious, how you view it is.

[Randox]

Life and all existance is "of serious size and scope" and is therfore serious by definition. I don't think the existance of everything is some sort of cosmic joke (by whatever be it God, Mother Nature, Some Higher being, etc.). I think that to live is serious and should be treated in such a way. Whether you belive in reincarnation or not, there is no 'absolute proof' that anyone will ever get another chance at life, a life after death, or any other form of existing. Infact, you can never know whenther anything exists. There is one phrase of absolute truth that you can be assured of: "I Exist". But does it matter? You real or not you interact with life, and it interacts with you (or so you belive). Make the best of it, have fun, be happy. Enjoy it while it lasts, maybe you will have life after death, but I have doubts that I will know about a previous life should that be the case. It's serious, but not in a 'you can't have fun' way.

[Roseiah]

Is life serious? Ofcourse, if you value your life you take it seriously, it is not something to be squandered. On the other hand, I don't live my life in a serious manner, I just believe that my life is a serious thing and should be taken care of and enjoyed.

[reaper88888]

It is all a joke. Hah. Hah. Funny, see? Ya live your life, hopefully happy, then you die. None of that crap matters. Every single one of us is about the size of an atom in the galactic scale alone, let alone a universal or multiversal scale. How the hell can anyone take themselves, or anything, seriously after thinking about that? The thing is, most people don't. They think that their cubicle job, their car, their family, their life are important. So they take themselves very seriously. And it makes it even funnier. Everything is pointless, so just sit back and have a good laugh. :lol: See? Funny...... Hah.