So We WERE playing different games!

[remington]

Don't roll your eyes at me. RWT can still be done through the BH, via borrowing items, or even just through account leveling. These methods are far less feasible than the old methods, but if they get more popular do you think Jagex is just going to let it happen?

 

 

 

These methods fail to create the problem that made Jagex adjust the game in Dec. And that problem wasn't tens of thousands of bot accounts, or mass RWT.

 

 

 

Many players think Jagex changed the game just to stop RWT, and that's not the real truth. They did the updates NOT because RWT were making the game hard to play, they did it because the Credit Card Companies were getting ready to stop accepting payments from Jagex.

 

 

 

Until the CCC made that threat the 5 bucks per account from RWT was just as good as the 5 bucks from an honest player. Sure, they banned token amounts of bots and RWT. But when an account can be botted up high enough to fish sharks then there's a problem.

 

 

 

It's fairly easy to see an account played so many hours a day from America, is being leveled by a tweaking service when it suddenly logs into a proxy server in Asia, and is played three times as long per day. And the only way to stop RWT in BH is to just remove looting from PvP. And quite honestly, I would rather of had the old wild left alone, and just had player looting removed than what they have given us in BH.

 

 

 

Sadly, even though I wish Jagex would stop ALL cheating, the amount and type of cheating left does not affect the CCC, and that means their income isn't affected, so Jagex won't really do much to stop it.

[chi13]

I've read this same topic dozens of times since the update came out and quite frankly, I'm sick of the complaining.

 

 

 

GET OVER IT.

 

If you've read those topics a dozen times and you and everyone like you has responded in the typical way. Imagine how many times I've read, "get over it". Just stop posting...seriously...

[Flyingjj]

Half of you are missing the point, at least how I interpret it. It's not at all about the absence of a suitable alternative to pking, or a lament about it being gone. It's about pointing out how pkers and skillers played almost completely different games. Sure, a lot of people already knew this, but chi stated it in a much more elegant way. He's not looking for sympathy, or really even for Jagex to make a good pking minigame, he's trying to get people to understand how the pkers felt. To them, it was like losing an entire game. For those of you saying "GET OVER IT," I'm pretty sure he's already over it, considering he dropped everything and quit. He's not complaining, he's explaining. For those of you who don't get that, all I can do is shake my head.

[remington]

It's about pointing out how pkers and skillers played almost completely different games.

 

 

 

PKers CREATED their own "game with-in a game" that they enjoyed playing. When you do that, then you risk losing everything when an update happens. I enjoy ALL facets of the game, if one is nerfed, (as PLENTY have been in my past) then I go off and do another part of the game. If you can't do that, then I guess you just have to quit, as many did.

 

 

 

Those that enjoyed the wild created most of the dislike against them. I can hardly blame those that PKers looked down on constantly for being happy when they got the whammy.

[3rkid]

It's about pointing out how pkers and skillers played almost completely different games.

 

 

 

PKers CREATED their own "game with-in a game" that they enjoyed playing. When you do that, then you risk losing everything when an update happens. I enjoy ALL facets of the game, if one is nerfed, (as PLENTY have been in my past) then I go off and do another part of the game. If you can't do that, then I guess you just have to quit, as many did.

 

 

 

Those that enjoyed the wild created most of the dislike against them. I can hardly blame those that PKers looked down on constantly for being happy when they got the whammy.

 

 

 

 

 

QFT :thumbsup:

 

 

 

This sums up my opinion and the real fact of the matter of these "Legendary PKers" that still after almost 9 months after the Wilderness Pking removal still complain! -Sigh-

 

 

 

 

 

What I have to say to those PKers that don't stop discussing this matter after 9 MONTHS, just leave and do us all a favor, staking and pking as you know it won't be coming back so you're just wasting your time and energy writing complaints and essays.

[TheHunted616]

Wouldn't think of this as an essay in 100 years.

[Ravenkana]

Don't roll your eyes at me. RWT can still be done through the BH, via borrowing items, or even just through account leveling. These methods are far less feasible than the old methods, but if they get more popular do you think Jagex is just going to let it happen?

 

 

 

These methods fail to create the problem that made Jagex adjust the game in Dec. And that problem wasn't tens of thousands of bot accounts, or mass RWT.

 

 

 

Many players think Jagex changed the game just to stop RWT, and that's not the real truth. They did the updates NOT because RWT were making the game hard to play, they did it because the Credit Card Companies were getting ready to stop accepting payments from Jagex.

 

 

 

Until the CCC made that threat the 5 bucks per account from RWT was just as good as the 5 bucks from an honest player. Sure, they banned token amounts of bots and RWT. But when an account can be botted up high enough to fish sharks then there's a problem.

 

 

 

It's fairly easy to see an account played so many hours a day from America, is being leveled by a tweaking service when it suddenly logs into a proxy server in Asia, and is played three times as long per day. And the only way to stop RWT in BH is to just remove looting from PvP. And quite honestly, I would rather of had the old wild left alone, and just had player looting removed than what they have given us in BH.

 

 

 

Sadly, even though I wish Jagex would stop ALL cheating, the amount and type of cheating left does not affect the CCC, and that means their income isn't affected, so Jagex won't really do much to stop it.

But what about WoW or the countless other MMORPGs that do absolutely nothing about RWT? How many of them have been shut down? I believe that the banks were making empty threats- after all, I'm still playing WoW with a credit card. Plus, a distinct minority of Gold Farmers stole credit cards. What would be the point? It's similar to the difference between robbery and armed robbery. If you can pull of robbery without being armed, the penalty is far lower than if you were waving a gun around.

[Lowgravity]

*insert post crying about rwt and pking*

 

 

 

:roll:

[Obtaurian]

Disclaimer: I have never PK'd in my seven years of playing Runescape.

 

 

 

I can't believe that so many can totally miss the point of this thread.

 

 

 

With that said, I totally sympathize. The majority of players will never understand the loss that PK'ers suffered. I do have the hope, however, that Jagex will release a minigame that truly meets the standards of former player killers.

[alcoolj]

We (Pkers) were not playing a different game than some others who skilled. We just played differently as we had a different set of goals. We relied on them to provide us supplies that we could not/did not want to gather ourselves. Most of us ran our pking on a shoestring budget and hated it when we had to go earn cash to pk again!

 

 

 

We had goals of getting to x str/range while still being below a certain combat level. i.e. to be at optimum strike power at all times. Skillers wanted to chop yews, get into the mining guild etc. We wanted to alch those yew longs/dhide bodies etc.

 

 

 

What about the rest of the players? Those that beat up monsters, gaining lotsa defense levels, doing quests that allowed them into places us pures only dreamt about? Those players are the mains of the world, and not necessarily skillers. they are your 'normal players' - who I dare suggest make up the majority of players. I turned my 'pure' into a 'main', and have turned my back on P2P pking at BH, and rarely enter F2P BH. Each time I do, I shake my head after about 30 mins and just walk away.

 

 

 

BH is a cesspit of all that was shunned in the pking fraternitiy (Edge solo pking anyway). Bsing, tagging, praying and running are all part of 'normally accepted practice' at BH - a 2 man team is required to reap constant benefits there.

 

 

 

I look forward to the new minigames, but don't hold my breath in a return to loot from pking my adversary.

 

 

 

In the mean time, I will continue to train my skills, and the ones I enjoy most atm are combat related ones :)

[Robert_de_Sable]

I've read this same topic dozens of times since the update came out and quite frankly, I'm sick of the complaining.

 

 

 

GET OVER IT.

 

If you've read those topics a dozen times and you and everyone like you has responded in the typical way. Imagine how many times I've read, "get over it". Just stop posting...seriously...

 

Well, then you know how we feel. If Jagex had kept that whole thing, then there would be no RuneScape. Get that through your thick skull.

[Pawn]

Yet players are making over 10m a day solo in BH. Guess your wrong.

[chi13]

I've read this same topic dozens of times since the update came out and quite frankly, I'm sick of the complaining.

 

 

 

GET OVER IT.

 

If you've read those topics a dozen times and you and everyone like you has responded in the typical way. Imagine how many times I've read, "get over it". Just stop posting...seriously...

 

Well, then you know how we feel. If Jagex had kept that whole thing, then there would be no RuneScape. Get that through your thick skull.

 

Spoken like a true child.

 

 

 

Yet players are making over 10m a day solo in BH. Guess your wrong.

 

With all the backstabbing, luring, and pjers that's damn near impossible. Infact, I'd wager to say that for a single player with average stats, the odds of "bhing" that much are mathematically insignificant \

[aznmidget448]

I highly respect the way you said all this and kept it from going into a rant. Too many times I've seen these threads and watch them become rants in the end.

 

 

 

I personally don't see a loss without the wilderness because I am what you call a skiller and don't like taking risks out there in the dangerous fields. Therefore, when the update came out, I was excited to see that RWT was being taken care of. I guess it took many months for me to realize how much this has affected pkers style of game play. The wilderness was your whole life where you played by your rules, but it just simply got taken away. I can now see the anger that you guys must have felt when the update came out.

 

 

 

I feel terrible for taking away what the part of the game you guys enjoyed in return for my satisfaction even if I didnt implement the update. I hope Jagex creates a wilderness which satisfies the original

[Rarex]

...and you just thought of this?

 

 

 

The PKer vs Skiller rivalry has existed since I joined.

[chi13]

I highly respect the way you said all this and kept it from going into a rant. Too many times I've seen these threads and watch them become rants in the end.

 

 

 

I personally don't see a loss without the wilderness because I am what you call a skiller and don't like taking risks out there in the dangerous fields. Therefore, when the update came out, I was excited to see that RWT was being taken care of. I guess it took many months for me to realize how much this has affected pkers style of game play. The wilderness was your whole life where you played by your rules, but it just simply got taken away. I can now see the anger that you guys must have felt when the update came out.

 

 

 

I feel terrible for taking away what the part of the game you guys enjoyed in return for my satisfaction even if I didnt implement the update. I hope Jagex creates a wilderness which satisfies the original

 

 

 

*Someone Gets It!

 

Quite honestly, I was afraid to take risks when I started as well, but pkings about over-coming that. Its about being willing to risk everything for the satisfaction of defeating an equally skilled player (and the loot of course ^_^).

[max_miller20]

I was a deticated pker too. I used to spend hours wandering the wilderness looking for fights or just other firendly people. True that back then I died more often than I killed, but i still had lots of fun, yes it is fun being chased out of level 40 wilderness by a hungry 80 person clan. I can still remeber the hits from my first ever player kill, 14, 14, and 16. That was the funnest part of runescape for me.

 

 

 

Then the trade limit and wilderness updates came out, and the old wilderness pking was removed, I was furrious at jagex for it!

 

 

 

Four days later I got over it and figured that it didn't matter and got on with my runescape life.

 

 

 

 

 

You can still play both games in runescape. If it's the high risk lifestyle you seek then bounty hunter should be more than satisfactory for you. There is still many pvp games that give me the same excitement and fun that the old wilderness gave me. Yet skilling is still part of runescape and is fun for me too.

[doomy]

Now if all the "Go cry the Wildy isn't coming back the updates are good anyway" could read this... They're all exactly like Kenshinjapan....

 

-I pked and Skilled, didn't pk that often becaus my stats suck, but I loved going on my pures :)

 

Bh is just teaming, the rules don't even make sense! Sometimes you can be atked my like 5 people! WTF! I thought it was single...

[onuasdad]

yeah. pking still exists, really, since pking just refers to player killing- what's cw (both), bh, and all those minigames? I know that teh trade limits are absurd because I, myself found out a way to give higher priced items to friends or to me, but I will not disclose it, obviously. therefore, the anti-rwt updates were completely unhelpful, only the idiots with only two brain cells couldent get past it (I'm only referring to rwters, so if you cant get past it, good, you're following teh rules, and all taht stuff.) basically it jsut got allt eh players upset-being tehre more w pkers than rwters.

 

 

 

3 pk/pvp minigames coming up- surely THREE will cover most of the wildy. maybe one of them is a time machine that tellys you to the old wildy, but when you come back you only take certain items you pked?

[Dharockslayer]

Wouldnt get my hopes up on the 3 pvp minigames. I mean, can you really call FoG a decent player versus player minigame?

 

Sure its fun, but you are not fighting against eachother, you are taking turns in fighting and running.

[All_Bogs]

3 pk/pvp minigames coming up- surely THREE will cover most of the wildy.

 

 

 

I hope so. However, it's been quite a while since the wilderness updates. Surely it'd be better if adequate replacement games had been available from the start. To the pk'ers, it's like being homeless for half a year and then some. Still, something had to be done about RWT, I understand that. It's just that all the good pk'ing memories I had (haven't really actively pk'd for a year or two now) will now be just that, memories. But I guess that's the same for the active RSC pk'ers when the 3-round system was removed.

[Revenga]

Kuddos to you. I quit when those updates happened as well, I'm coming back on my verac staker and leveling it up, giving the new updates a chance.

 

 

 

It's a big change but hopefully everyone grows into it.

[pulli23]

3 pk/pvp minigames coming up- surely THREE will cover most of the wildy.

 

 

 

I hope so. However, it's been quite a while since the wilderness updates. Surely it'd be better if adequate replacement games had been available from the start. To the pk'ers, it's like being homeless for half a year and then some. Still, something had to be done about RWT, I understand that. It's just that all the good pk'ing memories I had (haven't really actively pk'd for a year or two now) will now be just that, memories. But I guess that's the same for the active RSC pk'ers when the 3-round system was removed.

 

 

 

You know I'm sick of that argument: "there was no other choice". There are always choices: for 1 they could remove the reason that rwting existed, remove the grinding for skills/levels! - Just make it so that there's actually variation/clever thinking required to get xp+levels, not just " time"!

[casthewiz]

I'm one of the few people who had a pure pker and understood why and how necessary the removal was, but it still doesn't make the replacements right.

 

 

 

 

 

As for Jagex "promising" pvp minigames, I believe that they should have had at least 5 decent, well thought through combat minigames for pkers to play. If they had truly planned trade removal for as long as they had said, they surely should have had a better combat replacement than "bounty hunter" and "clan wars". If they didn't, why didn't the tell us or warn us about the trade removal 3-6 months+ in advance. They could have asked for ideas on how to make the pvp minigames instead of asking after the wilderness was removed. Instead,they treated us to around 6 months of no new truly groundbreaking minigames. Oh, wait, FoG. Oh, wait,.... FoG.... -.-

[All_Bogs]

You know I'm sick of that argument: "there was no other choice". There are always choices: for 1 they could remove the reason that rwting existed, remove the grinding for skills/levels! - Just make it so that there's actually variation/clever thinking required to get xp+levels, not just " time"!

 

 

 

Fair enough, but that too would've been a rather big change to 'Scape's gameplay, wouldn't you agree? A huge change was in order to combat RWT, and they picked a solution that had the biggest effect on the smallest group of players, the PK'ers (who despite of their loud mouths weren't quite as numerous as the skillers :P) and to a lesser degree activities like trading and killing big monsters. If they'd introduced this clever way of gaining levels, it might've been as underwhelming as FoG seems to be...imagine the effect that'd have on the playerbase.