New Generations...

[Range_This11]

Riku, here's a little tip for you:

 

 

 

Book Smarts =/= Common Sense and decision making

 

 

 

I know scores of kids that were in high school that were book smart, but didn't have the least bit of common sense. Now I'm not saying you are like that at all, but those two things do not equal each other. Just because you can read a book that is a higher level of you or because you pass a test does not mean that you are classified as a 16 year old. It just means you are more advanced FOR YOUR AGE. Trust me, everyone pretty much catches up to you.

 

 

 

I'd like to have a little chat with you when you graduate high school because I can 100% guarantee you that your views on children in middle school having the same responsibilities and the same abilities as adults will DEFINITELY change. Would you trust your 12 year old child to drink or your 18 year old child? And please, don't say neither, because that's just avoiding my point.

 

 

 

Reb.... drop the defense mode? When people are going to insult me I'm going to defend myself. Someone posted that a 13 year old who drinks went to a party with a bunch of 16 years old drinkers there. the 16 year olds said that the 13 year old shouldn't be there. Does that make any sense that someone can't make the same decision as someone three years older?

 

And by the way, there were no 16 year olds at the party. It was the 17 and 18 year olds that told a 13 year old middle schooler to stop drinking. There is even quite a jump in maturity from 16 to 17.

 

 

 

Through your logic we might as well just go ahead and teach sex-ed to 5 year olds, right? Why do they not have the right to learn about their bodies? Hell, some of them might be at the reading level of middle schoolers! And we all know middle school is where we first get taught sex-ed. See the flaw in your logic?

[Riku3220]

 

1. what's the point have having fun if your going to die earlier then?

 

 

 

2. yes luck does have to do with being born, your parents decided to have sex that year instead of next, you were the sperm cell out of millions that made it into the egg and didn't get miscarried. Like I asked, what experience are you talking about? i know a 13 year old who was been to at least 10 different countries by now and speaks in fluent Polish. Is that the experience your talking about? or is the experience your talking about just being on this planet enough for it to revolve around the Sun 4 more times than me? because so far that's the only experience you've given me.

 

 

 

3. trust me I'm not bragging it was to prove that I'm just as mentally capable as any high school students

 

 

 

and i never asked to be insulted you calling me a nerd when I hate studying is the equivalent of me calling you a methhead when you don't do meth

 

 

 

1. I don't care how long I live as long as I have fun living. Being condemed to a wheel chair and an oxygen tank at 90 years old doesn't sound like fun to me. I'd rather be dead.

 

 

 

2. The experience is different for everyone. I can't just come out and give you what you'll earn over the next few years and I just don't understand why you can't get that concept. The most I can tell you is that you'll be put in situations that will test your morals and will probably change them. Things will happen that will change your views on MANY subjects. Your brain will be able to grasp new concepts and see things in different ways. I can't just give you these things, they're earned over time. And that kid you're talking about, that's great stuff but not what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

3. I don't care. I have a short attention span, I'm extremely tired, and I just don't feel like argueing with you about whether or not you were bragging.

 

 

 

4. (Yes, we're making that #4) The way you talked yourself up is just asking to get your torn down. And I personally see a good bit of flame bait in your first few posts in this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dammit Reb, never give up an arguement that easily. Even if you did do it with sarcasm :P

 

 

 

1. the way you live if you do make it to 90 you're the one whos going to be confined to a wheelchair and an oxygen tank

 

 

 

2. An event big enough to change my mind about something would have to be if my house were nuked directly and everyone in my town except for me died or something pretty close. on important things my mind is set in stone

 

 

 

3. fine then

 

 

 

4. again, to prove I was as mentally capable as any high school student, never to brag about how better I was than all of Tip.it

 

 

 

Range: sure go ahead and let the 5 year olds learn sex ed. The youngest woman to give birth was 5 years old anyways so a few of them can probably have children right now. and true some 5 year olds might be reading at a middle school level

[baalboy5]

 

Range: sure go ahead and let the 5 year olds learn sex ed. The youngest woman to give birth was 5 years old anyways so a few of them can probably have children right now. and true some 5 year olds might be reading at a middle school level

 

 

 

Would you stop thinking that the majoirty of 5yrs are above standard?

[Range_This11]

 

Range: sure go ahead and let the 5 year olds learn sex ed. The youngest woman to give birth was 5 years old anyways so a few of them can probably have children right now. and true some 5 year olds might be reading at a middle school level

 

I find it slightly ironic that you did not address 90% of my post. Care to use your above average reading skills on the rest of it?

[Riku3220]

 

Range: sure go ahead and let the 5 year olds learn sex ed. The youngest woman to give birth was 5 years old anyways so a few of them can probably have children right now. and true some 5 year olds might be reading at a middle school level

 

I find it slightly ironic that you did not address 90% of my post. Care to use your above average reading skills on the rest of it?

 

 

 

Ok then fine, age has nearly nothing to do with how easily you can solve a problem or read a book. Age is simply how long you've been living on this planet. If we're taught things at an earlier age we can learn harder things at an earlier age. If we were taught to add and subtract in kindergarten, multiply and divide in 1st grade, hit the fractions and decimals in 2nd review it all in 3rd then we're ready for pre-algrebra in 4th grade instead we spend kindergarten and first grade, and second grade learning to add and subtract and in third we multiply and divide and so on. Age is only how long you've been living, not how much you've learned

[Range_This11]

 

Ok then fine, age has nearly nothing to do with how easily you can solve a problem or read a book. Age is simply how long you've been living on this planet. If we're taught things at an earlier age we can learn harder things at an earlier age. If we were taught to add and subtract in kindergarten, multiply and divide in 1st grade, hit the fractions and decimals in 2nd review it all in 3rd then we're ready for pre-algrebra in 4th grade instead we spend kindergarten and first grade, and second grade learning to add and subtract and in third we multiply and divide and so on. Age is only how long you've been living, not how much you've learned

 

Well as long we're pointing out obvious things, I'd like to say that today I had hot dogs for lunch and that I woke up around 9:30am. Of course age is about how long you've been living! However, age is USUALLY directly correlated with how much life experience and how much physical and mental maturity you have.

 

 

 

I still pose the question to you about your children. Say you have an 18 year old son and a 12 year old son. Which would you trust to be more responsible with their own homework? With consuming alcohol? With doing chores around the house?

 

 

 

Point in case, in 99.9% of cases, an older person is going to be more mature and responsible with life choices than a younger one.

 

 

 

QED.

[doomy]

Maybe [wagon] is the equivelent of big-head these days?

 

I mean it obviously has the same effect.

[baalboy5]

Maybe [wagon] is the equivelent of big-head these days?

 

I mean it obviously has the same effect.

 

Not it my opinion, [wagon] means jerk, bad person, mean. To me.

 

Big head means too like disobey on perpose and use that insult.

[Kenshinjapan]

Riku, here's a little tip for you:

 

 

 

Book Smarts =/= Common Sense and decision making

 

 

 

 

 

 

Einstein even once said that one who spend all of his time reading is wasting his life :lol: .

 

 

 

Riku, to address your post about age determining knowledge: Sure a kid could learn calculus by 4th grade, that's called a prodigy. However, If you're not one of the .001% children that are a prodigy, then age will more or less determine your general knowledge in school. Even though a 5 year old cussing has nothing to do with your education in school, age makes an impact on everything that you do in life.

 

 

 

When bill gates was a teenager, he made software under a secret identity and was very successful. When his identity was discovered, his business failed. Why? He could program as good as any 40 year old, but that doesn't matter.

 

 

 

Here's a few more examples that show age matters. Tell a 5 year old to grow beard, talk in a deep voice, ride a dangerous roller coaster, get a job, drive a car or be respected by an adult when cussing. Even though a 40 year old man shouldn't have to respect a kid that still wets his pants, there's no way that kid will be sitting at the bar with that same man having an in depth conversation that night.

 

 

 

Conclusion: Age = overall respect

[warren211]

Have them expand it in an intelligent manner. Younger generations have no respect for age whatsoever. It's getting quite sickening if you ask me. I'm not saying kids need to "speak when spoken to", but I'd like to see them at least know not to smart off to an adult. It comes from the parents not teaching them discipline. I know I'm going to teach that to my children someday, and they'll be better for it.

 

 

 

I agree fully. When I was in third grade I got a detention for calling a kid dumb. Recently I was in a park and I heard a few kids around 4th or 5th grade calling eachother unspeakable things. Yes, normally by 5th grade you's usually learn what all these words are and maybe even what they mean, but you should have enough discipline instilled in you to know not to use them, especially at an adult. I'm hoping those kids I heard don't talk to their parents that way.

[Nero]

Wow you guys sound really crotchy.

[jackattack]

I just feel that children are given too much freedom nowadays, especially by their parents.

 

 

 

I have to agree. When I was young I couldn't leave my block. If I wanted to go to the playground near my old house (3 blocks away) my mom went with me. These days I see kids who are maybe 7 or 8 years old trying to cross main roads (35+mph, high traffic, poor drivers, etc). My mom would killed me herself before she let me attempt that as a kid..

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is the opposite. When I was little I used to walk to the park or friends houses or just explore by myself. My little cousin can't even play outside by himself because my aunt's afraid of child molesters.

[ThurinEthir]

My points have probably been mentioned, but eh, nothing wrong with repeating things.

 

Age and maturity are related. It's not as if ALL 17 year olds are more mature than all 13 year olds, but most are. That's what you have to look at, the majority. Maturity includes the ability to make your own decisions, increased common sense, and so on. Who knows, you may be one of those 13 year olds that's as mature as a 20 year old. But you might not.

 

Also, just look at yourself. Ask yourself, when you were 11, would you have made the same decisions you make today? I wouldn't. I'm more mature (Hopefully), smarter, and much different than I was a few years ago. The same thing happens when you go from 13 to 16 years old.

 

 

 

And jackattack, I think you'll find the majority of new parents are on the other end. Though that goes to show...Most parents of little kids are either too lenient, or too paranoid. Only a few really deal discipline. :|

[Range_This11]

I just feel that children are given too much freedom nowadays, especially by their parents.

 

 

 

I have to agree. When I was young I couldn't leave my block. If I wanted to go to the playground near my old house (3 blocks away) my mom went with me. These days I see kids who are maybe 7 or 8 years old trying to cross main roads (35+mph, high traffic, poor drivers, etc). My mom would killed me herself before she let me attempt that as a kid..

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is the opposite. When I was little I used to walk to the park or friends houses or just explore by myself. My little cousin can't even play outside by himself because my aunt's afraid of child molesters.

 

I think it really depends on the parents. I wasn't allowed to cross Hwy 63 (main highway in our town that splits east from west side) until I was in 5th grade. Of course most of my friends lived on my side of 63, so it wasn't too much of a problem.

[rushrock]

With that attitude towards life, deloria, I'm inclined to tell you that you'll see the world differently when you're older.

[deloriagod]

With that attitude towards life, deloria, I'm inclined to tell you that you'll see the world differently when you're older.

 

 

 

I know I will. Our views are constantly changing because of what's going on around us.

[Lenticular_J]

2. yes luck does have to do with being born, your parents decided to have sex that year instead of next,

 

Your parents had sex a lot that year. And possibly the next one. Just wanted to point that out/possibly make you cry.

[josh181830]

I think that newer generations now are becoming more and more spoiled. If they don't get what they want they whine until they get what they want.

 

 

 

The incident was at VBS (Vacation Bible School) at my church by the way. Out of the 10 kids in my group (I was one of the leaders), he was the only one that was extremely disruptive and would refuse to do anything anyone of authority told him to do.. Pretty troublesome...

[mrpez]

back in my day we didnt have language. you kids these days are spoiled.

[hellbellz]

My friend's 4 year old brother knows anything from a to z. Parents don't pay attention what kids say these days. :-#

[bloodyhatchetbear]

Do you guys know why kids are getting worse and worse? It's not just that parent's don't use discipline, it's that they are afraid to. It's a little something called Social Services. Parents are afraid that if they try to control their child, someone will claim "abuse" and get the parent arrested. So the kids run around doing whatever they want, not getting told no. Honestly, what some of these kids need is to be put over someone's knee.

 

 

 

On a side note, my 8 year old brother actually told my fiance off (not swearing, mind you, he knows what would happen if he did) for getting drunk at a birthday party. The thing my brother didn't understand: moderation and responsibility. If someone's just told "it's bad, don't do it" then they will never truly learn. After that, my mother explained that it was OK for my fiance to do it because he doesn't drink often, he didn't drive, and he was old enough to do so. That's how it should be explained, to anybody.

 

 

 

Another note: Death is an inevitability (unless you're some strange immortal being from another dimension), so why not enjoy it? Honestly, I would only say something to Mr. Deloria if I heard he got completely wasted every single night. Yet again, moderation and responsibility. It's a concept that needs to be ingrained into people, and is usually learned from experience. Which is the main reason why the whole age thing comes into play. Age = life experience in most cases.

 

 

 

Yet another note: 3 years can make a HUGE difference. I have change in the past 3 years, and I'm past the whole teenage stage. Life happens.

[mrpez]

Smoking doesn't 'kill'. It simply increases the risk of getting diseases like lung cancer. Same applies to drinking.

 

 

 

exactly! guns dont kill, they simply increase your chance of being hit by a bullet.

[Nadril]

The problem is that most kids I hear swearing still have very little knowledge on basic etiquette, so you'll see them swear at improper times. (around adults, parrents and the like).

 

 

 

As far as drinking goes the brain is still developing at a young age. Now, I think that if parents allow children to have a small amount of wine with their dinner, it isn't a problem. They do this in countries such as France a lot and it works out well and teaches the children how to properly use alcohol.

 

 

 

The problem is that a 13 year old binge drinking and even a 16/17 year old binge drinking is much different. For one, the 17 year old can probably hold his alcohol better, but also the alcohol will have a more profound effect on the brain for the 13 year old than the 17 year old. At 13 the brain is still developing a lot where as, while it's still developing at 16/17, no doubt it's slowed down a bit.

 

 

 

The ages 16/17 are fairly abritary by the way. I don't think that a 16 year old should be binge drinking, but I do think that a 16 year old can handle their alcohol fine if in moderation and under supervision. The point I'm trying to say is that age does matter.

 

 

 

 

 

Likewise, riku, you can not tell me with a straight face that a 5 year old is as developed as even a 10 year old, or 14 year old or hell 21 year old. A 5 year old just should not be swearing because they still have very little knowledge on etiquette (as I said earlier) where as someone older would know when and when not to swear.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course the problem with all of this is that a lot of parents are just not enforcing anything these days. When I was little I would have gotten in big trouble if I would have sworn, and it took me a while to get over the idea that it is ok to swear in the correct situation. And, while with my friends I may swear like a sailor when I'm in a situation around my parents or an adult or just an improper time I know to not do it.

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, Riku, at your age you still think that you can do anything that adults can just because you haven't looked at it objectively. I thought I was smart at 14 and, for all purposes, I got good grades and could read at a higher level (even if I never read). However I was most certainly not mature yet.

 

 

 

 

 

[edit] and yeah, 3 years can make a HUGE difference. Look at the "first post" thread, for instance. The change between how they type and express themselves is astounding.

[loi86]

Now, I think that if parents allow children to have a small amount of wine with their dinner, it isn't a problem. They do this in countries such as France a lot and it works out well and teaches the children how to properly use alcohol.

 

 

 

 

That explains a lot about the French.

[Rebdragon]

Now, I think that if parents allow children to have a small amount of wine with their dinner, it isn't a problem. They do this in countries such as France a lot and it works out well and teaches the children how to properly use alcohol.

 

 

 

 

That explains a lot about the French.

 

Like their liver problems :lol: .