Atom Smasher

[LaserDude333]

I saw somewhere they haven't smashed the atoms yet.

 

 

 

If they have... Well, I'm not dead. You?

[Wizz]

Were still Alive \

 

*hums "Still Alive"*

[evil_mumm_ra]

i die a little inside each time someone posts something as ridiculous as this. just because being sucked into a black hole is THE coolest way to die, ever. bonus points for destroying the world at the same time. *waits till october*

[Furah]

Millions of people (including myself) have no fear of this LHC. Infact, I find this a waste of $4Bil as all it really does is make protons go almost at the speed of light, infact this "big bang" thing they are attepting will fail (if it doesn't I'll post a vid on youtube, where I'll eat my shoes.)

[RichieMcD]

I find this an absolute waste of 4.4 Billion pounds, we're here already, why must we know how we got here? To try and prove religion wrong? I doubt it, to give some scientists their giggles? Seriously doubt that as well.

 

 

 

That 4.4 Billion could've been spent seriously helping those in Africa, not finding out how we got here which is ratter irrelevant now :|

[Oy_the_Great]

I find this an absolute waste of 4.4 Billion pounds, we're here already, why must we know how we got here? To try and prove religion wrong? I doubt it, to give some scientists their giggles? Seriously doubt that as well.

 

 

 

That 4.4 Billion could've been spent seriously helping those in Africa, not finding out how we got here which is ratter irrelevant now :|

 

Oh God, there we go again. Sure, toss a few billions to the Africans, that'll solve their problems. You know what? Why don't we just give them every penny we spend on advertising, luxury products and all entertainment. Those aren't necessary either, and it counts for hundreds, if not thousands of billions.

[RichieMcD]

I find this an absolute waste of 4.4 Billion pounds, we're here already, why must we know how we got here? To try and prove religion wrong? I doubt it, to give some scientists their giggles? Seriously doubt that as well.

 

 

 

That 4.4 Billion could've been spent seriously helping those in Africa, not finding out how we got here which is ratter irrelevant now :|

 

Oh God, there we go again. Sure, toss a few billions to the Africans, that'll solve their problems. You know what? Why don't we just give them every penny we spend on advertising, luxury products and all entertainment. Those aren't necessary either, and it counts for hundreds, if not thousands of billions.

 

 

 

If used correctly it will, "give a man fish will feed them for a day, give a man the knowledge of how to fish he'll be fed for life". If we operated on the 2nd part of that saying we could eventually help Africa's problems.

 

 

 

What's your view? Throw money away on something we don't need to know and that could possibly destroy us while millions upon millions suffer and die in pain? Nice opinion, you sure care for other human beings out there :thumbsup:

[Oy_the_Great]

I find this an absolute waste of 4.4 Billion pounds, we're here already, why must we know how we got here? To try and prove religion wrong? I doubt it, to give some scientists their giggles? Seriously doubt that as well.

 

 

 

That 4.4 Billion could've been spent seriously helping those in Africa, not finding out how we got here which is ratter irrelevant now :|

 

Oh God, there we go again. Sure, toss a few billions to the Africans, that'll solve their problems. You know what? Why don't we just give them every penny we spend on advertising, luxury products and all entertainment. Those aren't necessary either, and it counts for hundreds, if not thousands of billions.

 

 

 

If used correctly it will, "give a man fish will feed them for a day, give a man the knowledge of how to fish he'll be fed for life". If we operated on the 2nd part of that saying we could eventually help Africa's problems.

 

 

 

What's your view? Throw money away on something we don't need to know and that could possibly destroy us while millions upon millions suffer and die in pain? Nice opinion, you sure care for other human beings out there :thumbsup:

 

Look dude, before you try to stigmatize me as selfish, try to remember you don't even know me. I wonder how many of the people who like to picture themselves as halve saints because they 'care about Africa' actually do something for it. Well, I spend one week a year helping with preparations for Doctors Without Borders here in Belgium, for whatever cause they have. It's not much, but at least you won't hear me saying how sad it is Africans are dying every 2 days. I'm also not one of those people that has once bought a friggin' calendar for a good cause and based on that they assume everyone else cares less about the world than they do.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I seriously think you're one of those people that just talks and stops right there.

 

 

 

And about 4billion being wasted on the experiment? How about you do some [bleep]ing research first, what they are doing is actually useful, unlike your contribution to this thread.

[Lateralus]

I find this an absolute waste of 4.4 Billion pounds, we're here already, why must we know how we got here? To try and prove religion wrong? I doubt it, to give some scientists their giggles? Seriously doubt that as well.

 

 

 

That 4.4 Billion could've been spent seriously helping those in Africa, not finding out how we got here which is ratter irrelevant now :|

 

Oh God, there we go again. Sure, toss a few billions to the Africans, that'll solve their problems. You know what? Why don't we just give them every penny we spend on advertising, luxury products and all entertainment. Those aren't necessary either, and it counts for hundreds, if not thousands of billions.

 

 

 

If used correctly it will, "give a man fish will feed them for a day, give a man the knowledge of how to fish he'll be fed for life". If we operated on the 2nd part of that saying we could eventually help Africa's problems.

 

 

 

What's your view? Throw money away on something we don't need to know and that could possibly destroy us while millions upon millions suffer and die in pain? Nice opinion, you sure care for other human beings out there :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It's been said over and over and over - There is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world. I think the whole "don't need to know" thing is quite laughable. Did we need to know about electricity? What about internal combustion? You can't put limits on what you think we need to find out about when you have absolutely no clue what the possible applications are.

[henman888]

I think this is a waste of money...

 

And if something does happen, will we be able to stop it?

[Sly_Wizard]

I find this an absolute waste of 4.4 Billion pounds, we're here already, why must we know how we got here? To try and prove religion wrong? I doubt it, to give some scientists their giggles? Seriously doubt that as well.

 

 

 

That 4.4 Billion could've been spent seriously helping those in Africa, not finding out how we got here which is ratter irrelevant now :|

 

Oh God, there we go again. Sure, toss a few billions to the Africans, that'll solve their problems. You know what? Why don't we just give them every penny we spend on advertising, luxury products and all entertainment. Those aren't necessary either, and it counts for hundreds, if not thousands of billions.

 

 

 

If used correctly it will, "give a man fish will feed them for a day, give a man the knowledge of how to fish he'll be fed for life". If we operated on the 2nd part of that saying we could eventually help Africa's problems.

 

 

 

What's your view? Throw money away on something we don't need to know and that could possibly destroy us while millions upon millions suffer and die in pain? Nice opinion, you sure care for other human beings out there :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It's been said over and over and over - There is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world. I think the whole "don't need to know" thing is quite laughable. Did we need to know about electricity? What about internal combustion? You can't put limits on what you think we need to find out about when you have absolutely no clue what the possible applications are.

 

 

 

Since there's not a zero per cent chance, then it's kinda' odd to say "there is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world". And I totally agree with the LHC being a waste of money.

[Lateralus]

Since there's not a zero per cent chance, then it's kinda' odd to say "there is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world". And I totally agree with the LHC being a waste of money.

 

 

 

Well if we're going to be completely scientific about there's no a zero percent chance, but there's never a zero percent chance of anything. Most of the black hole talk is scaremongering, and the papers published on it have been ripped apart by peer reviews. We're not doing anything that isn't already happening in the upper atmosphere.

 

 

 

Why is the LHC a waste of money?

[henman888]

Since there's not a zero per cent chance, then it's kinda' odd to say "there is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world". And I totally agree with the LHC being a waste of money.

 

 

 

Well if we're going to be completely scientific about there's no a zero percent chance, but there's never a zero percent chance of anything. Most of the black hole talk is scaremongering, and the papers published on it have been ripped apart by peer reviews. We're not doing anything that isn't already happening in the upper atmosphere.

 

 

 

Why is the LHC a waste of money?

 

 

 

Becuase you could spend the money on something more usefull that will physically help us. Still why waste 4.4 billion on an experiment that has slight chance of killing us? Why take the risk? What will we get from it?

[Sbrideau]

Since there's not a zero per cent chance, then it's kinda' odd to say "there is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world". And I totally agree with the LHC being a waste of money.

 

 

 

Well if we're going to be completely scientific about there's no a zero percent chance, but there's never a zero percent chance of anything. Most of the black hole talk is scaremongering, and the papers published on it have been ripped apart by peer reviews. We're not doing anything that isn't already happening in the upper atmosphere.

 

 

 

Why is the LHC a waste of money?

 

 

 

Becuase you could spend the money on something more usefull that will physically help us. Still why waste 4.4 billion on an experiment that has slight chance of killing us? Why take the risk? What will we get from it?

 

 

 

The risk is so minimal that I call it inexistant.

 

 

 

They just want to scare you, especially The Sun since they can have sales this way. And on what would you say that money could have been?

 

 

 

To me, this is not a waste of money.

[Oy_the_Great]

I think a lot of you people would be astonished by the amounts of money that are used for other purposes. Is all of that wasted as well then? I doubt most of the people that said the money is wasted are older than 18 (with that I mean: aren't part of working society) or know a good deal about economics and our society. It's investments like those, and ridiculous other things, like those damned adds on TV every 5 minutes, that keep us going.

 

 

 

Besides, I don't like using caps, but I'm going to have to:

 

DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SAY IT'S WASTED MONEY.

 

 

 

That relieves me.

[Lateralus]

Since there's not a zero per cent chance, then it's kinda' odd to say "there is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world". And I totally agree with the LHC being a waste of money.

 

 

 

Well if we're going to be completely scientific about there's no a zero percent chance, but there's never a zero percent chance of anything. Most of the black hole talk is scaremongering, and the papers published on it have been ripped apart by peer reviews. We're not doing anything that isn't already happening in the upper atmosphere.

 

 

 

Why is the LHC a waste of money?

 

 

 

Becuase you could spend the money on something more usefull that will physically help us. Still why waste 4.4 billion on an experiment that has slight chance of killing us? Why take the risk? What will we get from it?

 

 

 

Particle physics in general has already had applications, but what the practical applications of the LHC will be, I don't know. The fact is that's a risk you take with the acquisition of knowledge. It's very unlikely it'll be useless, though it might take a while for us to see the tangible benefits. I can't understand the mindset that something as interesting as this is a waste of money. The 'spend it on Africa!' argument is ridiculous as well. Billions and billions get thrown at Africa (as well they should), but if someone is to cry 'AFRICA!' every time a large sum of money is getting spent then we'll never do or find anything. Curiosity is as much a part of being human as altruism is, and if we can't spend money on the acquisition of knowledge then we don't deserve it.

[Verminox]

To those who say give it to Africa have no idea what happens in the long run. If we give it to Africa then yes it will help them in the short term, but that money builds up into debt which will add to there already $200 billion debt. We have given enough to Africa already and look their still no better off. All the money they make has to go back to richer countries to pay off debt and so cant develop.

[deloriagod]

I saw somewhere they haven't smashed the atoms yet.

 

 

 

Today they just did the initial tests. The basically fired a proton beam through the tunnel at nearly the speed of light which means the beam was going around the 17 mile tunnel about 11,000 times per second. Then they let the magents cool for a few hours (I think they said 5 hours, not sure) and eventually fired a proton beam in the opposite direction. Both times the beam came back around. So they haven't started smashing atoms yet, but they do plan on eventually firing beams in opposite directions and making them collide. That's what I'm excited for :

[assassin_696]

Wow, Epic Fail, there are 10 known dimensions, the 10th is were a point is equal to infinite to the power of infinite, therefore no 11th and staying at 10 :shame:

 

 

 

No, there aren't. You're confusing mathematically valid theories about the world (i.e. M-theory) with actual tested fact. M-theory and superstring theory might predict multiple dimensions but they've never been observed, and so nothing can be said about their physical validity. Hell, as far as i'm aware they haven't even made predictions that can be tested with experiment yet to confirm the extra-dimensions.

 

 

 

Becuase you could spend the money on something more usefull that will physically help us. Still why waste 4.4 billion on an experiment that has slight chance of killing us? Why take the risk? What will we get from it?

 

 

 

Going outside has a 'slight chance' of killing you, but you still do it. Most of the big breakthroughs have come from either blue-sky research with no practical applications. Do you know where the internet was invented? CERN, the place running the LHC. It was developed by a scientist trying to find a more effetive way to share results with other scientists. He didn't do it because he thought it would be particularly useful outside science. You can't direct and cajole science. It hasn't and never should be a subject where popular opinion of where the money should be spent wins out. Scientists delight in nature, you have to let their imaginations run free if you want anything interested to be invented or discovered. And by the point it becomes useful many scientists will have already moved on to the next puzzle, the next mystery.

[henman888]

Since there's not a zero per cent chance, then it's kinda' odd to say "there is absolutely no way that the LHC is going to destroy the world". And I totally agree with the LHC being a waste of money.

 

 

 

Well if we're going to be completely scientific about there's no a zero percent chance, but there's never a zero percent chance of anything. Most of the black hole talk is scaremongering, and the papers published on it have been ripped apart by peer reviews. We're not doing anything that isn't already happening in the upper atmosphere.

 

 

 

Why is the LHC a waste of money?

 

 

 

Becuase you could spend the money on something more usefull that will physically help us. Still why waste 4.4 billion on an experiment that has slight chance of killing us? Why take the risk? What will we get from it?

 

 

 

The risk is so minimal that I call it inexistant.

 

 

 

They just want to scare you, especially The Sun since they can have sales this way. And on what would you say that money could have been?

 

 

 

To me, this is not a waste of money.

 

 

 

There are so many other things you can spend money on...

 

But there is still a risk. Do they know what they are doing? Who knows what will happen during this experiment.

 

 

 

I would rather not take the risk because the consequences could be very severe.

[Will H]

When we lose the will to be curious, we lose the essence of our humanity. Besides, there is a huge chance that the results of the LHC will benefit mankind beyond mere answers to questions.

 

 

 

And there is no tangible risk whatsoever, other than possible damage to the LHC itself. And even that would provide us with an insight.

[Ouchy]

Another 6 weeks until they collide. Guess we will have to wait a while and see :|

 

 

 

Also, I half see this as a big waste of money. Sure, it will be nice to know about the Big Bang and the like, but in the amount of time they took and and the amount of money they spent, they could have cured cancer, world hunger and other problems.

[Lateralus]

Another 6 weeks until they collide. Guess we will have to wait a while and see :|

 

 

 

Also, I half see this as a big waste of money. Sure, it will be nice to know about the Big Bang and the like, but in the amount of time they took and and the amount of money they spent, they could have cured cancer, world hunger and other problems.

 

 

 

In just over a decade and with a few billion dollars? Not likely.

 

 

 

EDIT: To anyone concerned that the money could be better spent; Next time you want a new computer or to go to a sports game or even buy a pint of beer I hope you think about Africa and aids and cancer. What CERN are doing is far less frivolous than the way most of the money in the world is spent. Money spent on CERN and the space program combined take up less than a tenth of a percent of the world's GDP.

[anonymous1234]

[bleep] the black holes messed with my time percetion, and I got 9 hours worth of sleep from 3:30 to 3:32. The rest of the morning (which I percieved as going really slow) I had the time to read the harry potter series and jog a marathon. Then all of a sudden my time slowed down and the clocks started passing minutes like they were seconds, and I was late for school. -.-

[Will H]

[bleep] the black holes messed with my time percetion, and I got 9 hours worth of sleep from 3:30 to 3:32. The rest of the morning (which I percieved as going really slow) I had the time to read the harry potter series and jog a marathon. Then all of a sudden my time slowed down and the clocks started passing minutes like they were seconds, and I was late for school. -.-

 

:lol: I would love to use that as an excuse for all of my failings.