Atom Smasher

[kolko]

That goes along with the kid on my bus saying they were going to create another big bang...

 

Which isn't too far from the truth, really. They are recreating the conditions of right after the big bang. A billionth of a second after the big bang.

[Millard]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.j ... ern212.xml

 

 

 

Pretty scary that someone can hack it, especially when that person is from Greece!

[Ouchy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern212.xml

 

 

 

Pretty scary that someone can hack it, especially when that person is from Greece!

 

 

 

That is a bit extreme, don't you think?

 

 

 

(Only another month until they two protons collide :thumbdown: )

[Sir_Sibz]

I just read through that article. It's amazing how people have managed to actually hack one of the world's largest machines. :ohnoes: I'm afraid people will get a little more fanatical near the end of this experiment. :?

[fgfuyfyuiuy0]

Did anyone else know that there are supermassive black holes in every galaxy. Even in the Milky Way. They are dormant, but they do feed every billion years or so. So, the chance of a black hole being created is as much plausible as the supermassive black hole in our galaxy awakening.

[Sbrideau]

I just read through that article. It's amazing how people have managed to actually hack one of the world's largest machines. :ohnoes: I'm afraid people will get a little more fanatical near the end of this experiment. :?

 

 

 

I bet they use norton as antivirus/firewall >.>

[Sir_Sibz]

I just read through that article. It's amazing how people have managed to actually hack one of the world's largest machines. :ohnoes: I'm afraid people will get a little more fanatical near the end of this experiment. :?

 

 

 

I bet they use norton as antivirus/firewall >.>

 

 

 

FAIL lol :lol:

[db300]

I read about this in New Scientist magazine (great magazine by the way :thumbsup:).

[LaserDude333]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_ ... u_big_bang

 

 

 

They closed it....

[evil_mumm_ra]

it also got reopened shortly after since they've fixed the problem according to that article :s

 

 

 

end of the world here we come!

[cydoor]

Did anyone else know that there are supermassive black holes in every galaxy. Even in the Milky Way. They are dormant, but they do feed every billion years or so. So, the chance of a black hole being created is as much plausible as the supermassive black hole in our galaxy awakening.

 

It isn't sleeping. It is very awake and "working" all the time. That black hole causes the galaxies to rotate. The fact that we haven't been sucked in is because our galaxy is just huge: 100000 LY in diameter. We are moving towards that black hole all the time, but not on a path directed straight into the black hole, but on a circular path. that way it takes billions of years for us to be sucked into that black hole.

[scopium]

Geneva, 20 September 2008. During commissioning (without beam) of the final LHC sector (sector 34) at high current for operation at 5 TeV, an incident occurred at mid-day on Friday 19 September resulting in a large helium leak into the tunnel. Preliminary investigations indicate that the most likely cause of the problem was a faulty electrical connection between two magnets, which probably melted at high current leading to mechanical failure. CERN s strict safety regulations ensured that at no time was there any risk to people.

 

 

 

A full investigation is underway, but it is already clear that the sector will have to be warmed up for repairs to take place. This implies a minimum of two months down time for LHC operation. For the same fault, not uncommon in a normally conducting machine, the repair time would be a matter of days.

 

 

 

Further details will be made available as soon as they are known.

 

 

 

1 CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is the world's leading laboratory for particle physics. It has its headquarters in Geneva. At present, its Member States are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. India, Israel, Japan, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, Turkey, the European Commission and UNESCO have Observer status.

 

 

Hey we get to live for another two+ months. This is seeming to be an epic waste of money, theyve already had 2 uh-ohs. Whats to say when they get it fired up in november or later that it won't break another sector? Way to go Cern..

 

 

 

Sourcehttp://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2008/PR09.08E.html

[Lenticular_J]

Did anyone else know that there are supermassive black holes in every galaxy. Even in the Milky Way. They are dormant, but they do feed every billion years or so. So, the chance of a black hole being created is as much plausible as the supermassive black hole in our galaxy awakening.

 

It isn't sleeping. It is very awake and "working" all the time. That black hole causes the galaxies to rotate. The fact that we haven't been sucked in is because our galaxy is just huge: 100000 LY in diameter. We are moving towards that black hole all the time, but not on a path directed straight into the black hole, but on a circular path. that way it takes billions of years for us to be sucked into that black hole.

 

Like one of those things you put a penny in and watch it spin, and spin, and spin, and spin until it finally falls in the hole, right?

[Shiny]

Did anyone else know that there are supermassive black holes in every galaxy. Even in the Milky Way. They are dormant, but they do feed every billion years or so. So, the chance of a black hole being created is as much plausible as the supermassive black hole in our galaxy awakening.

 

It isn't sleeping. It is very awake and "working" all the time. That black hole causes the galaxies to rotate. The fact that we haven't been sucked in is because our galaxy is just huge: 100000 LY in diameter. We are moving towards that black hole all the time, but not on a path directed straight into the black hole, but on a circular path. that way it takes billions of years for us to be sucked into that black hole.

 

Like one of those things you put a penny in and watch it spin, and spin, and spin, and spin until it finally falls in the hole, right?

 

 

 

Ooo I love those. I always reach down to get my money from the hole (I have small enough wrists)

 

 

 

That seems prettty extreme though. A black hole at the center of our galaxy.

 

 

 

For now though, I'm kinda scared, but excited while anticipating what will happen.

 

 

 

To me it seems like a sign that it has broken twice, and that they haven't got anywhere. I just can't wait though. I'll probably end up dedicating a science lesson to it and doing no work \ .

[fastortoise]

huh, turns out my close friend's sister is working on this over in Sweden.

 

She kept telling me she was going to Sweden to study Physics at a university in Geneva, and I guess i'm too incompetent to piece two and two together. Apparently she's going to be there when the gizmos collide and she'll study what gizmo pieces are made of and find the answer to the universe and stuff.

[PoorLepRecon]

and find the answer to the universe

 

 

 

We already know the answer. It's 42. Problem solved, no need to risk a black hole on something we already know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

;)

[Cyco_Reborn]

Ha, it failed!!! And they say it's gonna take 2 weeks just to warm it up to a temperature where they can work on the problem. Well, at least I'll live to hear the new Cattle Decapitation album!!! :thumbsup:

[assassin_696]

Hey we get to live for another two+ months. This is seeming to be an epic waste of money, theyve already had 2 uh-ohs. Whats to say when they get it fired up in november or later that it won't break another sector? Way to go Cern..

 

 

 

Sourcehttp://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2008/PR09.08E.html

 

 

 

Yeah, I mean god forbid the most complicated piece of technology ever built should have any technical hitches whatsoever whilst trying to answer some of life's biggest questions. What a waste ay?

[Will H]

Looks like it leaked. Apparently there's another 2 months before we get it running again.

[PhaperPlane]

Alright I admit, when I first heard about the LHC, I thought it meant Large Hadron Colander. :oops:

[warren211]

Hmm... Helium leak huh? I can already imagine all those scientists at CERN speaking to eachother in the really high pitched squeaky helium voice "The Large Hadron Collider has had a leak! To the bridge!" :lol:

[Deiophobus]

Yeah warren, they just misspelled it; it worked by stopping all the bigger protons and letting the smaller ones through :

 

 

 

My grandfather actually worked for CERN, and was a big part in coming up with this project.

[assassin_696]

:(

 

 

 

The Large Hadron Collider near Geneva will be shut off until spring 2009 while engineers probe a magnet failure.

 

 

 

The incident on 19 September caused a tonne of liquid helium to leak out into the experiment's 27km-long tunnel.

 

 

 

Officials said the time required to fully investigate the problem precluded a re-start before the lab's winter maintenance period.

 

 

 

The collider is built to smash protons together at huge speeds, recreating conditions moments after the Big Bang.

 

 

 

Scientists hope it will shed light on fundamental questions in physics.

 

 

 

"Coming immediately after the very successful start of LHC operation on 10 September, this is undoubtedly a psychological blow," said Robert Aymar, director-general of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (Cern), in a statement.

 

 

 

But he praised the skill and preparation of the teams involved in building the particle accelerator.

 

 

 

A spokesman for Cern told BBC News it was unclear at this stage when the collider could re-start operations after the regular winter shut-down - which is carried out in part to save money on electricity.

 

 

 

A number of factors could affect when the lab re-opened, including a peak in electricity demand due to prolonged cold weather.

 

 

 

"It's usually around late March or early April that we start re-commissioning the whole accelerator chain. The LHC being at the end of that chain," said James Gillies, Cern's director of communications.

 

 

 

"It will take us a while to get beams injected into the LHC, but I think it's fair to say this will be the priority for next year's start-up."

 

 

 

The problem occurred last weekend, when a failure, known as a quench, caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100 degrees.

 

 

 

The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel, which straddles the French-Swiss border.

 

 

 

The machine has more than 1,200 "dipole" magnets arranged end-to-end in an underground tunnel that runs in a circle for 27km.

 

 

 

These magnets carry and steer beams of protons which will whizz around the machine at close to the speed of light.

 

 

 

At allotted points around the tunnel, the beams will cross paths, smashing together near four massive "detectors" that monitor the collisions for interesting events.

 

 

 

Cern said the most likely cause of the equipment failure was a faulty electrical connection between two of the accelerator's magnets.

 

 

 

This connection melted during testing of the machine and caused a huge leak of super-cool helium.

 

 

 

This helium is used to chill the magnets to a temperature of 1.9 kelvin (-271C; -456F) - which is colder than deep space. This allows them to generate large magnetic fields required to steer the beams while at the same time consuming relatively little power.

 

 

 

One of the LHC's eight sectors will now have to be warmed up so that engineers can get in to inspect the faulty connection for themselves.

[walka92]

well then, looks like weve got another year to live XD

[a b c]

Awww....

 

I wanted to see what happens...

 

I dont care if i die or live...

 

Oh well 1 more year!