The GE is great it helps a lot with everything.

 

 

 

 

 

but i did like it better when there was no trade limit, no GE, and wilderness was still there.

 

 

 

 

 

My point is is that the GE is only good now since wildy gone and the trade limit.

 

Exactly. If the trade limit hadn't been introduced (I find the PKing a bit of a non-issue in the context of this debate), would people still use a GE which forces them to accept certain prices? Or would they be using the forums and mass 'marketplaces' to buy things for whatever price they want, even if that means taking thirty minutes out.

 

 

 

I suppose what I'm trying to say is, RuneScape is meant to be a form of escapism, but the GE makes it very restricting and therefore removes the whole 'free' concept of the game.

We could do even BETTER! Regress back to certs, and spend hours upon hours transforming raw items into coupons again! It's so much fun!

Sometime I like to get my Raw MAterials for Treasure Trails but Foods and Runes are less of a hassel because of it.

I kind of agree, the fun of making your own stuff for quests or minigames has been taken out, but don't forget you don't have to use the GE, you could just ignore it and make stuff like you used to.

 

 

 

It wasn't fun it was annoying, i'd rather have the stuff instantly.

 

 

 

Completely agree with Skully here, I've been annoyed way too much because of items that were annoying to get.

 

but thats what made it more rewarding. spending a measly 5min to get some item like rope or a spade. when g/e wasnt there, ud have to walk to it. and that in itself was a mini adventure and was fun

 

And no one stops you from doing it anymore ;)

i dont understand why there are flame posts about "reverting back to not using certs." im sure thats spam. correct me if im wrong. it has nothing to do with the topic on hand. let me remind u what it is.

 

 

 

discussion about those who still gather their own stuff instead of using g/e, taking their leisure time and not rushing, like most others do.

I dont think it babies you...

 

It's nice to be able to get things quickly and easily.

well new players have no idea what it was like back then. just like what a lot of others say. new players have it easy

OK...so the GE is a good news bad news thing...Good news, u can buy or sell things that seems pointless to spend like 10 mins trying to get swamp tar or flour, Bad news, merchanting has been pretty much ruined, personally i could make millions in a day with merchanting, now most people would be lucky to make a mil in a week without have millions in the first place... and on free world the only place you could get lobs, swordies etc. was karamja, which is a boat trip, then you sit there waiting for yourself to catch something, then u either tele or take a trip back, bank then do it all over again, that really annoyed me, where now i buy lobs swordies etc from the ge, but if its something that i could get in like 10 mins for 10k cheaper than the ge, i would get it myself.

 

The sad part is, the whole economy revolves around the ge and it annoys me since food, pots etc are now almost double in price since announcement of pk worlds.

Well I know the Author didn't flat out specify buying levels, but it's implied. So I will just say this... if people are going to buy levels... nothing is going to stop them. With or without the GE. And this is the Main thing I would think the GE is used for. It's rather picky to call out people who are simply looking a a quantity of one or two things. Does it promote laziness? Sure, but what would stop those individuals from auto-typing in Lumbridge? Easy, nothing would stop them, infact that's exactly what they would do without the GE. Now... they can stand around and place an offer and if it doesn't happen instantly... they can sit there like a spoiled brat and spam the chat with the same rubbish that depreciates this game.

 

 

 

The people who want to forage will forage. For example, I wouldn't ever bother using the GE to buy Bow Strings. I'd rather pick my flax and spin my string myself. That way when I alch the bows that I completely made (with the runes I crafted) I get the most gold for my time. More time, but less product I have to make to get the amount of money in which I might want.

Time is money, I mean, how big of an adventure could it be to get molten glass, its not like the lands are frolicking with eye dropping wildlife....

I was (and still am) a miner and smither, during the "good old days" it was really depressing, after finally finding a merchant, he'd then offer you a ridiculously low price for your hard earned ores.

 

Knowing full well that he'd bundle them up as 100s or 1000s sell them at a vastly inflated prices to members on the forums.

 

 

 

When I got a bit bigger and uglier and was in a position to start buying ores from some of the people around me it was also really depressing to have to hang around falador east bank waiting for some guy with 28 un-noted coals demanding 200 gp each as "i see dem on forums 4 dat u scamma."

 

 

 

So in some sort of conclusion, its good that smaller players can't be ripped off by 'merchants' exploiting their in-experience and the bigger boys can actually buy decent amount of raw materials that feed the manufacturing skills at higher levels. Thus marches progress....

For my opinion,before grand exchange exist,we(old timers you can say) are having a hard but undeniably,fun times shouting(in chat) at falador world 2.. or varrock world 1..and make negotiations(between buyer and seller,discount,price values,etc) and so on...Yeah,most of the materials are self-collect but it was great then,you tend to enjoy the part of the game which you make things yourself..your hard work..

 

 

 

Now,the grand exchange exists..People can make a few search and clicks and pays for the requested item and next they just need to wait...For my opinion,this is not a bad thing either,as people will be able to save precious time(as people say,time is money).The hard-to-obtain materials can be obtained in the grand exchange..for a price of course .

 

 

 

 

 

So,i would wish to express a few points for both supporting and not-supporting members..

 

-People uses the grand exchange to obtain things easily..or purchase things in large(or small quantity).They PAY according to the price set by the grand exchange(from minimum price till maximum price),they(those who arent supporting the quote saying that ge users are lazy people) thinks that buying items from ge saves alot of time,this is PERFECTLY true.For example,it would take ages to prepare 5k swamp tars..So,why not pay for it?and saves time?(time is also money you know).By utilizing the time you have saved,it is possible that you re-earn back the money you have used!(re-earn back the money is also hard work also,not laziness).

 

 

 

-Well,for supporters of this topic.Well,it is good to see old-timers still practising the ''traditional runescape ways ''.Yes,you save money and you work hard!So,what much is the difference?you uses time to obtain something,and you save money,whereas ge users buy things in ge(saves time) but lose money(alot if you r buying large quantities of items).

 

 

 

The question is only wheter ge users can afford to make a purchase or not?they uses runescape currency(gp) to exchange for time(real life of course)

 

 

 

 

 

Conclusion is,both people who uses ge and gathers materials for own use are the same.Only 2 factors influences this topic,which is:

 

1.Do you have the time?

 

2.Do you have the money?

 

 

 

Forgive me for giving basic points only,but isn't it the main thing that you are discussing?For my opinion,it only depends wheter you can satisfy which factor(1 or 2)..or the way you want to enjoy the game?The road is yours,and has always been yours.Thank you.

 

 

 

~chvtky~

 

 

 

P.S:lol i've used tip.it for ages already,but i just registered today..rofl

well new players have no idea what it was like back then. just like what a lot of others say. new players have it easy

 

 

 

I find it pretty damn funny how a person who started RS in 2005 is complaining how people are getting this too easily and don't know how it was "back then". You did not have to store items on "mules" as there were no item bank, you didn't have to uncert things when we had the banks, you didn't have to do 4-5 clicks just to swing a rock with an axe. You can currently train your melee skills up to 5 times faster than old players could,you got the precious make-x that takes away the challenge from many skills and so on. If we look at things that have made the game easier, GE doen't go even in top 25.

 

 

 

i dont understand why there are flame posts about "reverting back to not using certs." im sure thats spam. correct me if im wrong. it has nothing to do with the topic on hand. let me remind u what it is.

 

 

 

Discussions tend to go from thing a to thing b if they are related to each other in the way the things we've been talking about are. If you want a simple thing like "yes, it has babied us" or "no, it hasn't", make a questionaire.

It doesn't promote laziness at all. It gives people more options for using their time in the most efficient way possible.

I don't think the GE has made the game more boring. It has perhaps not made it funnier either, but it has certainly made you have more time for the things which are fun in the game! For example you can now spend less time in buying materials for a skill you find fun training, and more time training it. This is instead of collecting all the stuff you need first, and then start to train. With the GE you have got more time to have fun \

I think it's awesome but at the same time..it's not

 

weird,

 

I love how conveient it is...I work most of the day so don't have time like younger players to play much I mean I have to do other things like go out with friends, date, work, and etc and it would be a pain for players like me to have to do everything...at the same time If I did'nt have this limit(I only play an hour a day tops, skipping alot of days..weekend is my only break time.) then i would have probably agreed that it does baby us.

pish posh. Since the GE, there's no more crazy prices. No more obnoxious spammers in the banks. I mean, Honestly, 1K for a law rune?? It's also indespensible for questing too. You can prepare for a quest, and not have to worry about having to run halfway across the world to get something trivial

I personally think the GE is an absolute Godsend. I would much rather get the items or resources I need instantly (or conveniently at the very least) than waste time performing mundane tasks to acquire simple items. This way you get get on with what you want to do, when you want to do it. Instead of standing around in banks typeing the same message over and over just hoping that someone has the items you require. And on that point it means you can actually hold a conversation with someone in a bank without your chat box being overloaded by spam.

I agree 100 percent that it's far less tedious than trying to get things in the bank with scammers and rip-off artist's

 

it's the bets way to get what you need quickly...No more obnoxious plyaers yelling things like bank sale and trying to scam you or something in that manner.

 

 

 

However if players were more honest than it may have been fun, but i still agree it does'nt really baby us it actually makes the game far more enjoyable.. like I said

 

-No scamming.

 

-No annoying typing in banks.

 

-You don't have to go through the effort of finding some random player with the item.

 

-Faster Questing.

 

One may argue that it makes the game easier to master...and somewhat I do agree that it does.

 

this is my complete thoughts about the Grand Exchange!

ahh i rember the day travelling all around runescape to get the items to do elemental workshop.

 

the ge takes half of the stress of quests away imo.

pish posh. Since the GE, there's no more crazy prices. No more obnoxious spammers in the banks. I mean, Honestly, 1K for a law rune?? It's also indespensible for questing too. You can prepare for a quest, and not have to worry about having to run halfway across the world to get something trivial

I just had to point that out. When you have items frozen for months, items used as junk to trade these items for the market value, and Jagex setting the price for new ones, how many prices are sane?

It really depends how much money i have on hand, the ge is really nice if you need a certain item for a ttrail, but for skilling I would rather just get the items myself, for some reason its just more rewarding.

 

 

 

I am guilty of buying thousands of monkfish on the ge though, which might explain why my fishing level hasent risen in more the 6 months :?

I think it's usefull. I hate it when I forgot like 1 small thing for a quest and it takes long time to get... But GE should be closer to a teleport xD

I think that, yes, it has made things easier and i don't find anything wrong with it. Like noted in some previous posts, it was a pain in the [wagon] to cert stuff, prep for quests etc.

 

 

 

But, the items don't appear magically on the GE; someone has to do the collecting and crafting and i think that those who do it obviously enjoy it.

 

 

 

It's just that now they can't ask 10k for a fishbowl. :roll:

But, the items don't appear magically on the GE; someone has to do the collecting and crafting and i think that those who do it obviously enjoy it.

 

 

 

It's just that now they can't ask 10k for a fishbowl. :roll:

 

 

 

Before GE, the basic principal was that 9 people out of 10 made that fishbowl by themselves and one lucky hippy got it from his/her mate, found from the ground or bought for that 10k as he was lucky enough to find someone who had it banked. After they had used that fishbowl, it was in most cases dropped to the ground.

 

 

 

Now with GE people tend to actually sell that fishbowl back to GE. This means there is more collective helping and certain items can be used by many people. Most people don't even think about that aspect when they sell certain items to GE that are worth approximately 1-2k, but that's how it works: those items are worth 1-2k as there is a need for them and people fill those needs with their own greediness.