Slayer helm shouldn't make a huge difference, although your lower combat stats certainly will. It's not the making it back part that's the problem, it's the crushing the gargoyle, running 12 steps, picking up drops, attacking another gargoyle, and calling your familiar in under 2.1 seconds that's the problem. Try recording the time and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

As I've stated twice in a row now, you do not perform all of these actions within a 2.1 second time frame. If I'm able to do all of this with my combat stats, it should be a breeze for you.

 

 

 

As I've stated twice in a row now, you do not perform all of these actions within a 2.1 second time frame. If I'm able to do all of this with my combat stats, it should be a breeze for you.

 

And as I've stated 4 times in a row now, you do or you end up missing a whip hit. The higher your combat stats the faster the kills are and the more difficult it is. Same thing applies to combat familiars.

 

 

 

As I've stated twice in a row now, you do not perform all of these actions within a 2.1 second time frame. If I'm able to do all of this with my combat stats, it should be a breeze for you.

 

And as I've stated 4 times in a row now, you do or you end up missing a whip hit. The higher your combat stats the faster the kills are and the more difficult it is. Same thing applies to combat familiars.

 

 

 

You don't mess up your whip hits if you've practiced and got it down. You perform one action at time. It's like picking up drops between every hit. It would be more click intensive at higher combat levels, so you'll just have to concentrate more. This isn't like woodcutting.

You can't pick up drops between hits, if you hit the gargoyle 2-3 times it'll be almost dead before your familiar even hits it. Running the distance alone is greater then the 2.1 second; it simply isn't possible.

 

 

 

If I'm able to do all of this with my combat stats, it should be a breeze for you.

 

It would be more click intensive at higher combat levels, so you'll just have to concentrate more.

 

 

 

Make up your mind.

You can't pick up drops between hits, if you hit the gargoyle 2-3 times it'll be almost dead before your familiar even hits it. Running the distance alone is greater then the 2.1 second; it simply isn't possible.

 

 

 

Read Zarfot's guide. He explains how to do it. You don't hit the monster your familiar is attacking more than once, as I've stated many, many times.

 

 

 

If I'm able to do all of this with my combat stats, it should be a breeze for you.

 

It would be more click intensive at higher combat levels, so you'll just have to concentrate more.

 

 

 

If you have it down and can do it smoothly and with as few mistakes as possible, you should be able to finish your tasks at a much faster rate with your superior combat levels. Sorry for the misunderstanding there.

 

 

 

Make up your mind.

 

Read Zarfot's guide. He explains how to do it. You don't hit the monster your familiar is attacking more than once, as I've stated many, many times.

 

I've read his gargoyle guide many times., He never says ANYTHING about a circular attack, in fact he says to pick a group and stay with it.

 

Read Zarfot's guide. He explains how to do it. You don't hit the monster your familiar is attacking more than once, as I've stated many, many times.

 

I've read his gargoyle guide many times., He never says ANYTHING about a circular attack, in fact he says to pick a group and stay with it.

 

 

 

You were talking about picking up drops without losing a whip hit, which Zarfot explains how to do in his guide. While I learned a lot from him, I don't follow his methods exactly. I like to experiment with Slayer. I used his method of Slaying gargoyles for a long time before I started trying to net a third Gargoyle into my slaying.

Just make a vid or meet in game please, I'm getting tired of you two saying the same thing over and over.

 

You were talking about picking up drops without losing a whip hit, which Zarfot explains how to do in his guide. While I learned a lot from him, I don't follow his methods exactly. I like to experiment with Slayer. I used his method of Slaying gargoyles for a long time before I started trying to net a third Gargoyle into my slaying.

 

I'm well aware of how to pick up drops without losing hits. Unfortunately, we're talking about luring the summon onto the monster - hit it 2-3 times, and it'll be almost dead before your summon has a chance to hit.

 

 

 

 

Just make a vid or meet in game please, I'm getting tired of you two saying the same thing over and over.

 

Then don't read this thread

 

You were talking about picking up drops without losing a whip hit, which Zarfot explains how to do in his guide. While I learned a lot from him, I don't follow his methods exactly. I like to experiment with Slayer. I used his method of Slaying gargoyles for a long time before I started trying to net a third Gargoyle into my slaying.

 

I'm well aware of how to pick up drops without losing hits. Unfortunately, we're talking about luring the summon onto the monster - hit it 2-3 times, and it'll be almost dead before your summon has a chance to hit.

 

 

 

 

Just make a vid or meet in game please, I'm getting tired of you two saying the same thing over and over.

 

Then don't read this thread

 

 

 

But I do like the discussion itself. I just got the feeling that it isn't leading somewhere atm, with both of you repeating your arguements over and over. You both have your good points, but one of you has got to be right, and I'm curious myself who is.

 

But I do like the discussion itself. I just got the feeling that it isn't leading somewhere atm, with both of you repeating your arguements over and over. You both have your good points, but one of you has got to be right, and I'm curious myself who is.

 

It hasn't evolved into a 'your wrong! no, your wrong!" discussion yet; if it does, I can make a video proving it's impossible, but as I mentioned earlier, a video proving it is is much easier for me to examine and comment on. Until then, we're making sure that the video will be on the correct subject. No sense in him wasting his time proving a point I already agree with :P

After going back and rereading the last few pages, I've realized that we've really gone off topic. The original debate was whether or not combat familiars are worth using at Gargoyles. A very simple way to solve this would be to just do a test using tactics we're both familiar with. Record experience rates with a Bunyip and with a combat familiar while standing in the spot near the rope that Zarfot recommends. No quirky tactics, no question of whether or not it's impossible. Just a straightforward, controlled test. Sound good?

 

 

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure I'm to blame for driving us off topic. :oops:

It's hard to get exact numbers. The boost from the combat familiar is small enough that accurate numbers (+- .1k XP per hour) are very, very difficult to obtain. To put it into perspective, missing one whip hit at any time in the hour will throw off the results. Added to the difficulty is the fact that a slayer helm must be used for comparison - it'll take 10+ gargoyle tasks to get perfect numbers. It's easier to show that the distance and timing prevent it.

 

 

 

Oh, and you haven't gone off topic. This is what me and ydrasil did with the other numbers, only we argued over every monster at once with every post. Once Gargoyles is finished and we get a hard XP number out of it in a few pages, I'll move on to black demons and so on until in 20 or 30 pages I indisputably prove that summons only give 2-3k extra XP \

287. If it is not obvious to most people that training slayer is not the best xp per hour then they should stop playing this game. I like to train slayer because I do not mind slow xp and I would rather get 3 skills up at once (combat, hp, slayer) than just two. It is just personal opinion I guess.

 

 

 

I dont think you should come out and just say "Slayer Sucks" as it is actually worth doing unlike construction.

287. If it is not obvious to most people that training slayer is not the best xp per hour then they should stop playing this game. I like to train slayer because I do not mind slow xp and I would rather get 3 skills up at once (combat, hp, slayer) than just two. It is just personal opinion I guess.

 

 

 

I dont think you should come out and just say "Slayer Sucks" as it is actually worth doing unlike construction.

 

 

 

The funny thing is, slayer isn't really worth doing (when you don't factor in fun). There are better charm dropping monsters, there are better money making monsters, and there are better xp monsters. The only reason to do slayer, is ... to do slayer.

Or if you wan't that awesum skillcape.

 

 

 

Thats the reason half of the people level up there skills...

Slayer is worth doing until 55.

Gotta love those special weapons.

Is this thread now officially a debate on whether or not combat familiars are worth using at slayer asgns? Or is it still for people to argue about slayer sucking...not that I can see how anyone can if they read the entire first post. I also hear that soul wars is a better option for slayer exp then doing most assignments, but that is all hearsay and I have no data, as I have never played!

Is this thread now officially a debate on whether or not combat familiars are worth using at slayer asgns? Or is it still for people to argue about slayer sucking...not that I can see how anyone can if they read the entire first post. I also hear that soul wars is a better option for slayer exp then doing most assignments, but that is all hearsay and I have no data, as I have never played!

 

Nah, there's some concurrent debating going on. Ydrasil phases in and out with new data that requires disproving, so at any given time there's usually several debates going on :P

 

 

 

The new minigame is a very bad way to train slayer. Not only is it horrendously slow, it doesn't offer the combat XP\drops that real slayer does.

Sorry i just got members, so my knowledge on slayer is limited. apart apart from leveling up another skill, why do people wantt to level it up? what does it give? If it doesnt give anything of course it sucks lol

Sorry i just got members, so my knowledge on slayer is limited. apart apart from leveling up another skill, why do people wantt to level it up? what does it give? If it doesnt give anything of course it sucks lol

 

It's fun :P

287

 

 

 

You make some very valid points, and I must agree that slayer isn't THE way to train combat. However, with currently 95 slayer and 15m xp in attack, strength, defence, and 17m hitpoints xp, I must admit I'm addicted to it.

 

 

 

It's hard to explain why slayer is fun, but to me it's absolutely worth making less money and leveling slower than other methods out there. To me, the "fun factor" is all I need to keep me going.

I still don't understand how you came up with the value of 50k experience per hour for slayer. I myself arrived at 92k experience per hour on average between 85->99 slayer. That's only including the 3 main melee skills. Page 46 contains my analysis. I use piety while slaying. I know that this won't make any difference to you, though, as you seem to have already made up your mind on the subject.

I still don't understand how you came up with the value of 50k experience per hour for slayer. I myself arrived at 92k experience per hour on average between 85->99 slayer. That's only including the 3 main melee skills. Page 46 contains my analysis. I use piety while slaying.

 

Piety and attention. Piety and cannons have been proven to be not worth using for virtually all tasks, and 50k is for semi AFK as most players train slayer; 75k is used for full attention.