Twilight.

[Dreamtongirl]

Or it could raise her expectations altogether, seeing as how now that you are the reincarnation of Edward Cullen, you must be a the dream guy of every girl.

 

 

 

Lol, oh give it up. If i didn't know any better, i'd almost think it was as if you were jealous of Edward Cullen. A fictional Vampire. :

[anonymous1234]

Or it could raise her expectations altogether, seeing as how now that you are the reincarnation of Edward Cullen, you must be a the dream guy of every girl.

 

 

 

Lol, oh give it up. If i didn't know any better, i'd almost think it was as if you were jealous of Edward Cullen. A fictional Vampire. :

 

Oh we are...every guy wants to be as perfect as Edward Cullen, but unfortunately it just isn't humanely possible. If only I could be a vampire so my skin could sparkle like his! :twss:

[aquariusman]

Or it could raise her expectations altogether, seeing as how now that you are the reincarnation of Edward Cullen, you must be a the dream guy of every girl.

 

 

 

Lol, oh give it up. If i didn't know any better, i'd almost think it was as if you were jealous of Edward Cullen. A fictional Vampire. :

 

 

 

You're still ignoring my (And I think some of N0M's?) points on plot and not stating your reasons why you like the plot.

[Nom]

Or it could raise her expectations altogether, seeing as how now that you are the reincarnation of Edward Cullen, you must be a the dream guy of every girl.

 

 

 

Lol, oh give it up. If i didn't know any better, i'd almost think it was as if you were jealous of Edward Cullen. A fictional Vampire. :

 

Oh we are...every guy wants to be as perfect as Edward Cullen, but unfortunately it just isn't humanely possible. If only I could be a vampire so my skin could sparkle like his! :twss:

 

 

 

I tried putting glitter on my face but the girls laughed at me :(

[Diesel]

I tried putting glitter on my face but the girls laughed at me :(

 

 

 

They weren't laughing at the glitter.

[fastortoise]

A girl I like in my biology lab kept talking about how super Twilight was as we were isolating DNA.

 

It was a true endurance test for me, but hey, I gotta suck it up if she's gonna repay me in favours.

 

 

 

And hey, don't think of Twilight fangirls as brainless and tasteless zombies... they can't help it

[lonellama]

A girl I like in my biology lab kept talking about how super Twilight was as we were isolating DNA.

 

It was a true endurance test for me, but hey, I gotta suck it up if she's gonna repay me in favours.

 

 

 

And hey, don't think of Twilight fangirls as brainless and tasteless zombies... they can't help it

 

 

 

tell her you like watching her sleep. That'll score FOR SURE

[fastortoise]

A girl I like in my biology lab kept talking about how super Twilight was as we were isolating DNA.

 

It was a true endurance test for me, but hey, I gotta suck it up if she's gonna repay me in favours.

 

 

 

And hey, don't think of Twilight fangirls as brainless and tasteless zombies... they can't help it

 

 

 

tell her you like watching her sleep. That'll score FOR SURE

 

I will, when the day comes, as she wakes up next to me in a sunfilled bedroom. Then i'll cook her breakfast, we will go shopping and get married ect. (I haven't watched the movie but i'm assuming that;s the jist of it).

[raven_gaurd0]

Yes, Edward is over-protective and he is also a danger to Bella at all times. Well, before she became a vampire anyways.

 

Oh hell, the continuation of another vampiric line. Fan-[bleep]-fantastic. I suppose that she caught vampire-AIDS and turned into one during one of hers and Edwards HAWT-HAWT-HAWT Vampire Sex! scenes.

 

 

 

Actually she becomes an immortal vampire and gets married before they have their first night of bruising sex. The Christian values are upheld! Then she has a vampire baby that will grow to maturity in seven years and be the consolation prize for Jacob.

 

 

 

Agreed with aquariusman, this should be toned down a little in general. I confess my irritation has gotten the better of me a few times, but I still hope that there will be a coherent argument that doesn't boil down to not-so-slick dodges or general flames.

 

 

 

I'm seeing the movie tomorrow, so you can be sure I'll have something to say about that.

 

 

 

Well they are vampires, therefore not really Christian, though I agree...should calm down a little bit. I guess I'm just a little miffed at having to see though. I know NOM can really point out how bad I get when my temper gets the best of me.

 

 

 

I have a pitifully short fuse. :oops:

[scootlaboot]

I think I'll pass on seeing it, as I find the lack of zombies disturbing.

[anonymous1234]

I think I'll pass on seeing it, as I find the lack of zombies disturbing.

 

trust me, the fans are zombies. You should be fine. (with the need for zombies at least (don't see Twilight))

[whiteguy]

Or it could raise her expectations altogether, seeing as how now that you are the reincarnation of Edward Cullen, you must be a the dream guy of every girl.

 

 

 

Lol, oh give it up. If i didn't know any better, i'd almost think it was as if you were jealous of Edward Cullen. A fictional Vampire. :

 

Oh we are...every guy wants to be as perfect as Edward Cullen, but unfortunately it just isn't humanely possible. If only I could be a vampire so my skin could sparkle like his! :twss:

 

 

 

I tried putting glitter on my face but the girls laughed at me :(

 

 

 

 

 

You are doing it wrong,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Try that instead.

 

But a disco ball on your face.

[Lenin64]

A girl I like in my biology lab kept talking about how super Twilight was as we were isolating DNA.

 

It was a true endurance test for me, but hey, I gotta suck it up if she's gonna repay me in favours.

 

 

 

And hey, don't think of Twilight fangirls as brainless and tasteless zombies... they can't help it

 

 

 

tell her you like watching her sleep. That'll score FOR SURE

 

I will, when the day comes, as she wakes up next to me in a sunfilled bedroom. Then i'll cook her breakfast, we will go shopping and get married ect. (I haven't watched the movie but i'm assuming that;s the jist of it).

 

Hey look, there goes the point!

 

 

 

I've noticed that fangirls do, indeed, defend the series to the death, but it's the same for anti-Twilight'rs. Except the antis have reasoning. And the "bad taste" from fans is prevalent. They've ctually tried to convince me to read it twice now, one even having the book with her at the time.

[Dreamtongirl]

Okay, i'm not really arguing with you NOM and Aquarius, because it's getting nowhere. BOTH of our arguments that is.

 

 

 

Again, there is a plot and three very good main characters, it's just that you don't think so. I liked the plot cos' it was twisted at the end, lots of suspense, and it made you want to keep reading. Not all books can do that. And no freaking duh, of course if you like something you'll defend it. Not rocket science.

[aquariusman]

I'm actually going to agree with you on that point, that it did make you want to keep reading, but from my experience quite a few books do that (Actually, pretty much any teen fiction will usually have that effect).

 

 

 

Quite frankly, the only reason the arguments are going nowhere is because you are refusing to state your reasoning. You just keep saying you like the book, but don't give any reasons or examples of what about the book you find good. Saying the plot is good does not count as an example, I can say that the characters of 1984 were shallow (Which I'm not) all day long, but until I give some reasoning and examples of why I think this, no one will take my argument seriously. That is the way an argument/debate/essay works. You say what you think, then you back that up.

 

 

 

So please give some examples of why you think the book is good. Any example of what makes it worth owning or re-reading.

[raven_gaurd0]

Okay, i'm not really arguing with you NOM and Aquarius, because it's getting nowhere. BOTH of our arguments that is.

 

 

 

Again, there is a plot and three very good main characters, it's just that you don't think so. I liked the plot cos' it was twisted at the end, lots of suspense, and it made you want to keep reading. Not all books can do that. And no freaking duh, of course if you like something you'll defend it. Not rocket science.

 

 

 

I don't know. I considered the entire thing to be very predictable. Sure, it did twist, but it's not like you didn't see it coming.

 

In my opinion, Edward and Bella are just too [bleep]ing predictable to be really 'dove into', they're just hollow characters that don't really connect with the reader. As for suspense...well, at the beginning, the development of suspense was as interesting as a romance gets. But by the end of the first book, I could easily predict what the [bleep] the characters would do with each other every time they met: snog snog snog snog snog...

 

 

 

I guess it's a fine read. I mean, it was interesting enough for the first few chapters or so. I was actually interested in what Bella could evolved into, less so Edward, but Bella had potential. Twilight just failed to developed Bella appropriately. If anything, she really de-matured and became more alien across the course of the novel.

 

 

 

I mean, thinking that you love two people (Edward and, if I understand, Josh, who forced Bella to kiss her - twice), both of them being relatively arbitrary and spontaneous, does not character-sense make. (Baaaaaaaad sense of English, there).

 

 

 

Twilight...in summation, was a decent enough book. It's something I might read once and go, 'hey, that wasn't too bad. At least it ate some time.' But, in all honesty, the book has been far too hyped up. It wasn't a great novel, it was a decent one that barely scraped by, but it certainly wasn't worthy of a Hollywook reproduction.

[Dreamtongirl]

I'm actually going to agree with you on that point, that it did make you want to keep reading, but from my experience quite a few books do that (Actually, pretty much any teen fiction will usually have that effect).

 

 

 

Quite frankly, the only reason the arguments are going nowhere is because you are refusing to state your reasoning. You just keep saying you like the book, but don't give any reasons or examples of what about the book you find good. Saying the plot is good does not count as an example, I can say that the characters of 1984 were shallow (Which I'm not) all day long, but until I give some reasoning and examples of why I think this, no one will take my argument seriously. That is the way an argument/debate/essay works. You say what you think, then you back that up.

 

 

 

So please give some examples of why you think the book is good. Any example of what makes it worth owning or re-reading.

 

 

 

Not all books make you want to keep reading at all, i've read some teen fiction that bored the heck out of me or actually had a very pathetic plot that made me not want to keep reading it at all. Twilight did the whole way through, however.

 

 

 

Okay, you want reasons? Here are some. I like the way Bella and Edward interact at the beginning, especially when she despises him at the very start. I like how Stephenie Meyer describes things, even if people do seem to think she's abusing the thesaurus. I like the way i can relate to Bella in some ways of how she acts and thinks. And i like the way Edward and her become almost inseparable.

 

 

 

"That is the way an argument/debate/essay works. You say what you think, then you back that up."

 

 

 

Geez, like I'm back at school.

[Dreamtongirl]

Okay, i'm not really arguing with you NOM and Aquarius, because it's getting nowhere. BOTH of our arguments that is.

 

 

 

Again, there is a plot and three very good main characters, it's just that you don't think so. I liked the plot cos' it was twisted at the end, lots of suspense, and it made you want to keep reading. Not all books can do that. And no freaking duh, of course if you like something you'll defend it. Not rocket science.

 

 

 

I don't know. I considered the entire thing to be very predictable. Sure, it did twist, but it's not like you didn't see it coming.

 

In my opinion, Edward and Bella are just too [bleep] predictable to be really 'dove into', they're just hollow characters that don't really connect with the reader. As for suspense...well, at the beginning, the development of suspense was as interesting as a romance gets. But by the end of the first book, I could easily predict what the [bleep] the characters would do with each other every time they met: snog snog snog snog snog...

 

 

 

I guess it's a fine read. I mean, it was interesting enough for the first few chapters or so. I was actually interested in what Bella could evolved into, less so Edward, but Bella had potential. Twilight just failed to developed Bella appropriately. If anything, she really de-matured and became more alien across the course of the novel.

 

 

 

I mean, thinking that you love two people (Edward and, if I understand, Josh, who forced Bella to kiss her - twice), both of them being relatively arbitrary and spontaneous, does not character-sense make. (Baaaaaaaad sense of English, there).

 

 

 

Twilight...in summation, was a decent enough book. It's something I might read once and go, 'hey, that wasn't too bad. At least it ate some time.' But, in all honesty, the book has been far too hyped up. It wasn't a great novel, it was a decent one that barely scraped by, but it certainly wasn't worthy of a Hollywook reproduction.

 

 

 

You know how people say sometimes cheesy things are usually true or mean the most?

 

Well, sometimes predictable things can be like that, also. And it wasn't that predictable at all. A tad, maybe, but not too much to make you bored throughout the whole thing. Ugh, fail. They DO connect with the reader. Bella, at least. She's a lot like an average, shy, clumsy girl - and I'm sure many can relate to that. Btw, dude, it IS a love story remember. Of course there's bound to be romantic stuff and "snog snog snog snog snog..." In it.

 

 

 

 

 

"I mean, thinking that you love two people (Edward and, if I understand, Josh, who forced Bella to kiss her - twice), both of them being relatively arbitrary and spontaneous, does not character-sense make. (Baaaaaaaad sense of English, there)."

 

 

 

It's Jacob, genius. And that doesn't happen until Eclipse. She only ever loved Edward in Twilight. Again, I'm sure lots of girls or guys, for that matter, could relate to finding they love two people.

 

 

 

"At least it ate some time.' But, in all honesty, the book has been far too hyped up. It wasn't a great novel, it was a decent one that barely scraped by, but it certainly wasn't worthy of a Hollywook reproduction."

 

 

 

Maybe it was hyped up mainly by girls, which it is, because of it being a LOVE STORY and more of a girl's book. You should know that before you read it. Not saying that boys can't read it and like it, but if you're a "Grrrr cars, girls, sport" kinda guy, then it's useless reading it. I haven't seen it yet, so i can't really judge the movie yet. I'm sure it won't be as good as the books, not many movies are, but it'll be worth seeing i think. Have you seen "Thunderbirds"? THAT wasn't worth a Hollywood reproduction.

[raven_gaurd0]

Jacob, whatever.

 

 

 

I know it's a romance, and I've read romance. Twilight just seemed to drag. I'm not a big masculine guy, either. In fact, I'm pretty wimpy. (I mean, I dated a hippie/goth chick for most of freshman year...)

 

 

 

My main objection to Bella is simply the fact...maybe I expressed myself badly. Probably, actually. When I read a book, I want to be able to feel like the character is a friend, somebody who I can say is a lot like me, but is most importantly an individual. Bella was a skin that many girls kinda just...slipped into. Do you understand? It's kind of hard to convey in words.

 

 

 

I can understand all the hype, I understand it's audience appeal, but in my opinion, which may be considered erroneous by others (like you!), it was undeserving of such attention.

 

 

 

Everybody is still entitled to their own thoughts and opinions...

[Dreamtongirl]

:roll: Nice attempt.

 

 

 

Maybe you don't appreciate it that much because you're a guy i guess? I don't really expect guys to like it, "wimpy" or not.

 

 

 

Okay that didn't really make sense I'm afraid. Sorta get a bit of it, though? You're not really supposed to relate to Bella i guess, seeings you're a boy and all. Well, Bella is unique, but she also relates to a lot of teenage girls - Which is good, because they can understand her and relate to what she's doing/thinking/going through and whatnot.

 

 

 

I admit when i first heard about it, it sounded absolutely gay and overrated to me. So i read it, (cos' there was no point judging if i hadn't) And i really really liked it. I could see what the hype was all about after i had, but it didn't appeal to me a few months after. Don't get me wrong, i still like it and think it's definitely worth reading (or defending, in my case XP) but maybe it's been made a tad bigger that it should have been. Idk, i wanna see the movie and all, and i'll prolly stay a fan, but it was nice when the hype was sorta quieter. If you get me. Which you probably don't, so nvm.

[aquariusman]

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I'm actually going to agree with you on that point, that it did make you want to keep reading, but from my experience quite a few books do that (Actually, pretty much any teen fiction will usually have that effect).

 

 

 

Quite frankly, the only reason the arguments are going nowhere is because you are refusing to state your reasoning. You just keep saying you like the book, but don't give any reasons or examples of what about the book you find good. Saying the plot is good does not count as an example, I can say that the characters of 1984 were shallow (Which I'm not) all day long, but until I give some reasoning and examples of why I think this, no one will take my argument seriously. That is the way an argument/debate/essay works. You say what you think, then you back that up.

 

 

 

So please give some examples of why you think the book is good. Any example of what makes it worth owning or re-reading.

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Not all books make you want to keep reading at all, i've read some teen fiction that bored the heck out of me or actually had a very pathetic plot that made me not want to keep reading it at all. Twilight did the whole way through, however.

 

 

 

Okay, you want reasons? Here are some. I like the way Bella and Edward interact at the beginning, especially when she despises him at the very start. I like how Stephenie Meyer describes things, even if people do seem to think she's abusing the thesaurus. I like the way i can relate to Bella in some ways of how she acts and thinks. And i like the way Edward and her become almost inseparable.

 

 

 

"That is the way an argument/debate/essay works. You say what you think, then you back that up."

 

 

 

Geez, like I'm back at school.

 

 

 

Thank you for saying why you like the book. And of course some books aren't going to be interesting. That just means the author certainly could have done a much better job. Yes, Meyers did a good job writing the book in that respect. Now, the book could be greatly improved, or at least shortened without any negative effect, if the style was further developed into something that would make those who look at books more critically smile.

[Dreamtongirl]

Wowww, the first comment by you i didn't end up scowling at. :

 

 

 

Mm, those are just some reasons, i think i'd have to read it again to pick out more. I agree, it could be improved, buttt, you know SM had never written anything before that, so i think it was darn good for a first piece of work, don't you? Ah, sometimes you can never please critical people.

[Nom]

I agree, it could be improved, buttt, you know SM had never written anything before that, so i think it was darn good for a first piece of work, don't you?

 

 

 

Ugh. NO. Completely irrelevant. As a general rule you should not publish your first ever peice of writing, as it is probably crap. Well, whaddya know. In addition, once you have by some miracle become published you're playing in the big leagues. There are no excuses. You're going to get criticism and that argument might as well be a toy shield: ineffective and laughed at.

 

 

 

"That is the way an argument/debate/essay works. You say what you think, then you back that up."

 

 

 

Geez, like I'm back at school.

 

 

 

What do you think school is for?

[AdioLovesSquall]

what's up guys, hows this topic goin' on?

[aquariusman]

Wowww, the first comment by you i didn't end up scowling at. :

 

 

 

Mm, those are just some reasons, i think i'd have to read it again to pick out more. I agree, it could be improved, buttt, you know SM had never written anything before that, so i think it was darn good for a first piece of work, don't you? Ah, sometimes you can never please critical people.

 

I'm considered fairly smart, yet if I walked into a university lecture, you think I would be able to contend? No, I'm only 15. That is basically what I would compare this book to. It might look good compared to "first pieces of work" but when you compare it to serious books, which this is supposed to be if I understand correctly, then it is mediocre.