Satanic "religion"

[s1nister]

Anyone here Satanist?

 

 

 

I recently read the Satanic Bible and got interested into the Satanic things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Before you start flaming me with you kill virgins for the devil and stuff, go google on Satanic Religion :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Satanist is someone who does believe there is a god, but doesnt believe he'll help you when u need it. He or she thinks you have to do it yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of [bleep], its 13:45, g2g to work

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

will edit this post with more info about this.

 

 

 

In the meanwhile, id appreciate if you'd post what you knew/know about Satanists and say what you think about them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

bye :D

[rocketman089]

Funny, because the only time I ever hear the word "satanist" is when it's in cunjunction with rape, suicide, or murder. Any religon that interferes the lives of others, whether it'd be killing them in cold blood or dressing up in suits and ties and coming to your house to talk to you about their savior is deemed wrong in my book (end mormon rant).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Show me something anything the satanist "religon" has ever done that isn't murder, suicide, or getting high and cutting eachother for no reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He or she thinks you have to do it yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and just what exactly is it?

[mad4u689]

It's true that Satanism isn't the "kill people, commit suicide, and drink blood!" thing that most people think it is. Basically, it's kind of hedoism in the form of an organized religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satanism, the first carnal religion in human history, was codified and established by Anton Szandor LaVey (1930-1997) with the founding of the Church of Satan in 1966 C.E. (Year One). It is a religion and a philosophy based on man as he really is: a carnal being free from the fiction that is spirituality and one who champions total responsibility, pragmatism, and the here-and-now. Currently, the Church of Satan is headed by High Priest Peter H. Gilmore, High Priestess Peggy Nadramia, and Magistra Blanche Barton. Additional information on Church of Satan hierarchical structure, policies, updates, and more can be found at the CoS website.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satanism has been referred to as an "unreligion" in the sense that it does not subscribe to the notion of an anthropomorphic deity and, by extension, some being who must be worshiped, its most common misconception. Others say that Satanism is challenging popular notions of how 'religion' is defined, not content with the dictates of Judeo-Christian strictures. Both are valid opinions. But for those who feel that deity worship and religion must be and always have been inextricably bound, it should be noted that Satanism's lack of deity belief and deity worship is not singular as Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism (all considered religions the world over) also share this viewpoint. Also, the concept of a literal "Satan" which infiltrates people's lives and influences their decisionmaking is exclusively Christian, and decidedly not Satanic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically, those who follow Satanism do not follow a specific deity (a god). They don't believe in the devil as he is depicted in the Christian sense. Instead, they live in the corporeal world and live life as it happens, not sinking into the crutch of those who can't think on their own that is spirituality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fundamentals of Satanism are summed up in the Nine Satanic Statements, which are...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

II Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

III Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IV Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

V Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VI Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VII Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VIII Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IX Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

[Pete_the_Viscous]

I don't know why, but those exclamation marks actually did make those ^ commandments seem more credible/reasonable. :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rest of this post sounds like a rant--bear with me, I don't harbour any bar feelings about satanism itself, or any of you, or anything like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I'm sure that the above is true--at least amongst the correct people--the calling it "satanism" seems silly to me. Satan, after all, means "enemy". Also, I don't understand why one would want to associate something that isn't ill-meaning with Satan, who is, like it or not, the Christian bad guy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like my saying "I've got this great new idea for a utopia: we all live in happiness with enough food for all, and we're all going to live for ever. It's called the death-death-death-blood-evil project"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously that quotation says that they don't believe in Satan; in that case, why "satanism"? That name either links it with Satan, or means (I suppose) Enemy-ism--neither of which seem to come across from what people say about Satanism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong: I don't have anything against Satanism--though neither do I practice it--I just don't understand the name. I'm determined that this won't become a flame war--at least, not by my making it so--so I'm not going to try and pick holes in that first quotation there. (What I was going to say had to do with the very last sentence, especially the last clause).

[Pur304]

Note sinisters avatar and signature. Its an encircled pentagon with goat (or rams?) head in it. This is used in Satanism. In the Bible the goat (or ram I forgot, sorry people) represents Satan. Satan=Evil so I would say you could call Satanism the worship of evil (assuming it's the Satan from Christianity). What do you gain from worshipping evil?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S I can't see why this could be called flaming.

[Sauriiin]

Well what about that guys, wow am I so suprised by this. What are you suprised by sauriiin you ask? Well I'll tell you young lad! I'm suprised that the satanist group actually have a half sensical pretty sound kinda bunch of nonsense that can make people want to become the so called satanists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well friends and foes, its not unusual for a religion/cult to have a sound base and be loaded with enough half truths and a tonne of metaphorical crap to make anyone want to join. This is certainly not uncommon and its no suprise that satanists now are trying to claim a family-friendly type image or whatever you might call it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How about reading the Bible and Qua'ran (I dont care if I spelled it wrong) and every other piece of religious literature and then make up your mind oh yee satanist man! Well its just a suggestion because I don't actually think a human being as lazy as we are could be bothered doing all that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lastly how is this different from a bunch of Christians coming up in here and preaching on us? I don't care if this is off topic or not it's plain morman thats what it is pal.

[insane]

I Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There could also be a happy medium between two extremes. What are they comparing to and what are they indulging/not abstaining from? Surely juxtaposing their beliefs by another extreme will make theirs look more reasonable - but when comparing it to "a healthy line inbetween indulgence and abistence", it doesn't look too appealing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

II Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

 

 

 

I'm not sure what they mean by this... but I'm not big on the "spiritual pipe dream" term, it's a very loaded term designed to make spirituality (or traditionally so) look bad, and without proof, I dislike this phrase

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

III Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

 

 

 

Again, loaded terms aren't logically sound without proof

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IV Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!

 

 

 

Meh, I guess you can do what you want, but I'm sure that those that "deserve" it, are all subject to one's opinion of whether or not kindness is "deserved". Surely it would be more loving to be kind to all beings?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

V Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!

 

 

 

Again, see above. Vengeance is never (maybe not never, but very rarely) the best solution to a problem. Why not rather be wronged? Why not turn the other cheek? I know it's a foreign concept to today's world, but it's not about always "winning" or "getting the best" of someone. Selflessness is IMO always better received by people than selfishness, but again, if you want to embrace selfishness, more power to you I guess

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VI Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!

 

 

 

I couldn't tell you what this means...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VII Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all!

 

 

 

Sometimes better, sometimes worse. Can't really agree or disagree with that. Neutrality... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VIII Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

 

 

 

Of course, if you want your life to be about self-gratification go for it, just don't expect it to improve anyone else's life. Not that you're obligated to of course, but improving someone else's life certainly isn't a bad thing ;) And I'm not even saying that following this rules that out, it's just probably a little harder to help someone when having a selfish mindset. And I'm not talking about selfish in a negative sense - just talking about it as self-servitude, considering oneself before others - it just makes it a little harder to serve others. And again, you're not obligated to, but, people wouldn't complain if you did serve them I guess ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IX Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

 

 

 

This seems unbased, controversial, illogical, and un-understandable :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*shrugs*

[Mr_Putter]

VIII Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds evil to me. Since murder, stealing and adultery are all sins (among others), and if these lead to gratification then...No offence, but that's kind of sick. Unless I misunderstood this, but it seems that everyones arguement in defence of this statement completely conflicted by this statement. This seems like the kind of religeon where you try to screw over everyone but yourself...I don't think that's the kind of life a sane person would want to live. If I misunderstood this comment than disregard this. I can't really do anything to stop you from believing what you believe, but I can suggest highly against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, if I misunderstand, then just disregard this.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

kinda scary as christianity, wonder if they have gothic buildings also.

[azmati]

The author Anton LaVey wrote the book in the context he did for shock value, and shock value sells. He even said it. If you substitute "satan" ,and "satanism" for "humans",and "human nature" when reading the Satanic Bible it has alot of truth behind it.

[DaN]

Note sinisters avatar and signature. Its an encircled pentagon with goat (or rams?) head in it. This is used in Satanism. In the Bible the goat (or ram I forgot, sorry people) represents Satan. Satan=Evil so I would say you could call Satanism the worship of evil (assuming it's the Satan from Christianity). What do you gain from worshipping evil?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ask christians that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God and Satan really arnt so differant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some people are just narrow minded and belive god=good stan=evil.

[Pur304]

 

Note sinisters avatar and signature. Its an encircled pentagon with goat (or rams?) head in it. This is used in Satanism. In the Bible the goat (or ram I forgot, sorry people) represents Satan. Satan=Evil so I would say you could call Satanism the worship of evil (assuming it's the Satan from Christianity). What do you gain from worshipping evil?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ask christians that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God and Satan really arnt so differant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some people are just narrow minded and belive god=good stan=evil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I assume you believe that God is evil. Is love evil? Is creating us and offering us eternal life with him through Jesus Christ evil? God sacrificed his son for us, so that we can live with him forever, instead of burning and rotting for eternity with Satan. Is forgiveness evil? Is self-sacrifice evil? I think not!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think your the narrow minded one. Do some research, read the bible before making an accusation such as calling God evil.

[Sweex]

It is quite an interesting looking faith, I myself am about as close to a satanist by their definition as I could be to any religion. But I dunno what you'd call me, Atheist maybe... I really don't believe in anything of the sort. Religion is just a bit too... sad in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't take that the wrong way please, I'm interested to see if you people can have a proper debate about Satanism without ripping into each others faiths and beliefs.

[Mayjest]

Sin leads to gratification? Maybe in the short term, but long term, it's a world of hurt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rape is a sin. Maybe we should rape those satanists. I'm sure they love being gratified! :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Murder is a sin, I wonder how they'll enjoy being dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd go into the whole thing, talking about how Satanical worship works, using evidence from ex-satanists, but then I'd just get flamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do have one thing to day. One of my friends used to be a satanist (to be more precise, a witch, but of a satanist convent). I am a Christian (I know, I keep odd company). After a while, she was about to be promoted in rank. For whatever reason (I don't actually remember why), myself and two friends walked past the common land they were performing the ceremony on. Apparently, our heads were on fire. The witches scattered, afraid of the power within us. My friend has since abandoned witchdom, as what is the point of gaining power through that when God has granted me more power, without sacfricing my blood?

[Sweex]

Apparently, our heads were on fire. The witches scattered, afraid of the power within us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is why you shouldn't play with lighters. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry I really couldn't resist. :)

[Pur304]

I'm interested to see if you people can have a proper debate about Satanism without ripping into each others faiths and beliefs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suggest you do the same. You shouldn't make sarcastic comments if you are interested in no flaming.

[Pyro]

I don't mind Satanism, it's just another religion. What I can't stand are the morons who call themselves Satanists simply because they think it sounds cool. Yes, I'mn convinced a large majority of the people who refer to themselves as Satanists belong in that group.

[NorthernHero]

I'm confused. You (the topicstarter) say that satanism isn't worshipping satan and cutting your wrists and other thant kind of odd rituals then why is it called satanism? Whats the name of the wrist cutting religion then?Confusing name choise. :?

[Mercifull]

Whats the name of the wrist cutting religion then?

Attention seeking teenage girlism?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously tho, Vampirism maybe lol i dunno.

[mad4u689]

Just to clarify, the main idea of Satanism is that it stands in contrast to Christianity. It believes that you should do what you like, regardless of some set system of "morality", if it makes you happy. It's not saying to go out and kill people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NorthernHero, I don't know that that's a religion, as much as a fad among teenagers who want to create drama.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, calling it "Satanism" is mostly to contrast it to christianity. Satan represents what Christianity is not - indulgence, lack of spirituality, hedonism, living in the present as opposed to preparing for heaven, not "decieving" yourself with lies of God to make you feel better, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am defending it as a valid philosophy, though I certainly wouldn't call myself Satanist. I just think it's an interesting perspective ^_^ And it also should NOT be confused with Wicca/witchcraft.

[Higothrekk]

"I murdered to bring about the reincarnation of Satan. It's as simple as that."

 

 

 

Henry Lee Lucas

 

 

 

Death Row, Texas State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Satanism is everything that human beings don't understand - it's all in their fears...all of what they are not sure of. To me, Satan would be God!"

 

 

 

Charles Manson

 

 

 

Death Row, California State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Extermination of the weak is what we would like to see. A bloodbath would cleanse this planet of all the pollution that people have caused."

 

 

 

Nicholas Schreck

 

 

 

Satanic High Priest, Follower of Manson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I murdered so that I would be given 10,000 souls to rule over in hell."

 

 

 

Charles Gervais

 

 

 

Life Without Parole, Louisiana State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Murder was a sacrifice to prove allegiance to Satan. I had broken all of the ten commandments but murder, so I needed to finish my pact."

 

 

 

Sean Sellers

 

 

 

Death Row, Oklahoma State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone note the last word in the description of the people that gave those quotes? There are more, these are just the ones I could be bothered to dig up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The philospohy of satanism might not be bloodthirsty in itself, however an unquestionably large amount of it's followers and high priests or whatever they call them have proven themselves to be, and people do not follow their religions to the letter, they follow the examples set by those they believe to be more 'enlightened' than them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satan Bad - God Good

[Pur304]

Self indulgence is wrong. It can cause others to suffer.

[hatheking]

Note sinisters avatar and signature. Its an encircled pentagon with goat (or rams?) head in it. This is used in Satanism. In the Bible the goat (or ram I forgot, sorry people) represents Satan. Satan=Evil so I would say you could call Satanism the worship of evil (assuming it's the Satan from Christianity). What do you gain from worshipping evil?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S I can't see why this could be called flaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you mean a pentagram? :P

[Rizla]

"I murdered to bring about the reincarnation of Satan. It's as simple as that."

 

 

 

Henry Lee Lucas

 

 

 

Death Row, Texas State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Satanism is everything that human beings don't understand - it's all in their fears...all of what they are not sure of. To me, Satan would be God!"

 

 

 

Charles Manson

 

 

 

Death Row, California State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Extermination of the weak is what we would like to see. A bloodbath would cleanse this planet of all the pollution that people have caused."

 

 

 

Nicholas Schreck

 

 

 

Satanic High Priest, Follower of Manson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I murdered so that I would be given 10,000 souls to rule over in hell."

 

 

 

Charles Gervais

 

 

 

Life Without Parole, Louisiana State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Murder was a sacrifice to prove allegiance to Satan. I had broken all of the ten commandments but murder, so I needed to finish my pact."

 

 

 

Sean Sellers

 

 

 

Death Row, Oklahoma State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone note the last word in the description of the people that gave those quotes? There are more, these are just the ones I could be bothered to dig up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The philospohy of satanism might not be bloodthirsty in itself, however an unquestionably large amount of it's followers and high priests or whatever they call them have proven themselves to be, and people do not follow their religions to the letter, they follow the examples set by those they believe to be more 'enlightened' than them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satan Bad - God Good

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You make it sound like satanists are the only people that kill for religion. Have you not been reading the news lately? Even scrapping the latest developments with holy wars (Palestinians, 9/11, Hollocaust), you've only got to think back to Roman times to see another example of people killing for their god.

[insane]

 

"I murdered to bring about the reincarnation of Satan. It's as simple as that."

 

 

 

Henry Lee Lucas

 

 

 

Death Row, Texas State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Satanism is everything that human beings don't understand - it's all in their fears...all of what they are not sure of. To me, Satan would be God!"

 

 

 

Charles Manson

 

 

 

Death Row, California State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Extermination of the weak is what we would like to see. A bloodbath would cleanse this planet of all the pollution that people have caused."

 

 

 

Nicholas Schreck

 

 

 

Satanic High Priest, Follower of Manson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I murdered so that I would be given 10,000 souls to rule over in hell."

 

 

 

Charles Gervais

 

 

 

Life Without Parole, Louisiana State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Murder was a sacrifice to prove allegiance to Satan. I had broken all of the ten commandments but murder, so I needed to finish my pact."

 

 

 

Sean Sellers

 

 

 

Death Row, Oklahoma State Prison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone note the last word in the description of the people that gave those quotes? There are more, these are just the ones I could be bothered to dig up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The philospohy of satanism might not be bloodthirsty in itself, however an unquestionably large amount of it's followers and high priests or whatever they call them have proven themselves to be, and people do not follow their religions to the letter, they follow the examples set by those they believe to be more 'enlightened' than them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satan Bad - God Good

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You make it sound like satanists are the only people that kill for religion. Have you not been reading the news lately? Even scrapping the latest developments with holy wars (Palestinians, 9/11, Hollocaust), you've only got to think back to Roman times to see another example of people killing for their god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also - people killing in the name of religion says nothing to the religion itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's simply (in most cases) a bad application of a beautiful principle.