Instead of Longsword, I think you meant Shortsword, the most useless and least used weapon in this game.

 

 

 

Oh we'll see when Dragon Sword comes out with a special that makes people laugh in the face of DDS and D claws.

 

 

 

An even more overpowered spec maybe? I want the next grandmaster quest even more now!

Scimitar definitely, speed is everything and it hits great too. I can't understand how people prefer training with godswords instead of whips, just looking at them hitting barely once every 2 times I hit makes me nervous! :shock:

Longsword speed to Scimitar speed is very inaccurate there.

 

 

 

5:6 Ratio. Longsword hits harder and is the most consistent.

 

 

 

Unbiased requires accuracy and not just a lack of "OMFG SCIMMY P00NZZZ!!!"

 

+1 the longsword is also more accurate, and hits slightly harder. i used a longsword my whole career, and the only reason i ever use a skimmy is if the target has little to no defence, then only is it better.

 

 

 

ps. unbiased my arse

 

 

 

Hehe, I went to Roaches with my F2P friend with a Rune Longsword thinking "Hey, it might be pretty good from what I've heard!". I was dead wrong, my lvl 84 F2P friend with Rune Scimitar was getting the kills...

 

 

 

I just ended up using the Rune Scimitar I got as a drop from there instead.

 

 

 

just use the controlled option with the longsword. I've found that cockroaches seem to be less resistant to stab attacks than slash. I tried it and was beating all the scimitar wielders ;)

Oh, I missed Maces, Halberds, and Claws. They shall be added.

 

 

 

And about my comments on the LS. What I say is true. If you test it out, the damage total is on par with the dagger. That is a FACT.

 

 

 

It's damage is simply not comparable with Skimmy.

 

 

 

 

 

The speed for Whips, DAggers, and Skimmy is the same. That is also a fact.

 

 

 

Alot of people think that the Long is more accurate. Thats like saying that the Iron Dagger is much mroe accurate than a bronze one. I can't check right now, but I belive the difference is about 5?

Longsword speed to Scimitar speed is very inaccurate there.

 

 

 

5:6 Ratio. Longsword hits harder and is the most consistent.

 

 

 

Unbiased requires accuracy and not just a lack of "OMFG SCIMMY P00NZZZ!!!"

 

 

 

6:5 rati, My mistake. I belive the Scim is faster, but 6:5 is pretty close.

 

 

 

And where is the "OMFG SCIMMY P00NZZZ!!!"

 

"Rapid" on ranged weapons raises the speed, approximately by one rank.

 

 

 

 

It can't be that much.

 

 

 

 

And about my comments on the LS. What I say is true. If you test it out, the damage total is on par with the dagger. That is a FACT.

 

 

 

 

That is bull. Use your freaking head. For melee the only things affecting accuracy are the player's attack level, the monster/player's defence, and the attack bonus of the weapon. The only things affecting damage are the player's attack level and his/her strength bonus, and the spirit shields. If you look at a longsword's stats, it has marginally higher accuracy and somewhat higher strength bonus than a scimitar.

 

 

 

I'm going to test it, though, just to make sure. I'm very confident about what the result will be.

 

 

 

 

just use the controlled option with the longsword. I've found that cockroaches seem to be less resistant to stab attacks than slash. I tried it and was beating all the scimitar wielders ;)

 

 

 

If the attack style made that much of a difference then you shouldn't be killing them in the first place.

We don't need an unbiased comparison when comparing statistics in RS - you can't be biased in mathematics lol

 

 

 

Bottom line: Scimitar is the best all-around metallic weapon

 

 

 

Also, scimitars are the same speed as daggers. Test it out yourself by fighting someone with a dagger and your damage will appear simultaneously. For further proof...

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2010

 

 

 

Also, it really doesn't matter about how certain weapons prioritize crush att and such rather than slash... the defence bonus differences between a chain and a plate are negligible so choosing a weapon based on its attack setting is pointless

 

 

 

That link also says that whips are the same speed as daggers LOL

 

 

 

Maybe because Whips are the same speed as daggers?

 

 

 

They are?? Haha sorry didn't know that - i'm still a supernoob

 

There must be something wrong with that. If scimitars are the same speed as daggers and by the knowledge base link you pasted says that whips are also the same speed as dagger you're saying that the whip and scimitars are the same speed.

 

 

 

Whip speed =/= Scimitar speed.

We don't need an unbiased comparison when comparing statistics in RS - you can't be biased in mathematics lol

 

 

 

Bottom line: Scimitar is the best all-around metallic weapon

 

 

 

Also, scimitars are the same speed as daggers. Test it out yourself by fighting someone with a dagger and your damage will appear simultaneously. For further proof...

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2010

 

 

 

Also, it really doesn't matter about how certain weapons prioritize crush att and such rather than slash... the defence bonus differences between a chain and a plate are negligible so choosing a weapon based on its attack setting is pointless

 

 

 

That link also says that whips are the same speed as daggers LOL

 

 

 

Maybe because Whips are the same speed as daggers?

 

 

 

They are?? Haha sorry didn't know that - i'm still a supernoob

 

There must be something wrong with that. If scimitars are the same speed as daggers and by the knowledge base link you pasted says that whips are also the same speed as dagger you're saying that the whip and scimitars are the same speed.

 

 

 

Whip speed =/= Scimitar speed.

 

 

 

but all 3 are the same speed

This is pretty much my "Longsword vs Scimitar" thread in the debate thread, just more broad and more longsword supporters.

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We don't need an unbiased comparison when comparing statistics in RS - you can't be biased in mathematics lol

 

 

 

Bottom line: Scimitar is the best all-around metallic weapon

 

 

 

Also, scimitars are the same speed as daggers. Test it out yourself by fighting someone with a dagger and your damage will appear simultaneously. For further proof...

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2010

 

 

 

Also, it really doesn't matter about how certain weapons prioritize crush att and such rather than slash... the defence bonus differences between a chain and a plate are negligible so choosing a weapon based on its attack setting is pointless

 

 

 

That link also says that whips are the same speed as daggers LOL

 

 

 

Maybe because Whips are the same speed as daggers?

 

 

 

They are?? Haha sorry didn't know that - i'm still a supernoob

 

There must be something wrong with that. If scimitars are the same speed as daggers and by the knowledge base link you pasted says that whips are also the same speed as dagger you're saying that the whip and scimitars are the same speed.

 

 

 

Whip speed =/= Scimitar speed.

 

 

 

but all 3 are the same speed

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I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case. Saradomin sword is the same speed as the whip, but they aren't the same speed. Of course verifying this wouldn't hurt but I'm most certain in this case :-s

 

"Rapid" on ranged weapons raises the speed, approximately by one rank.

 

 

 

 

It can't be that much.

 

 

 

It is actually, quite a bit. Look at pures training on rapid versus mains conserving money using accurate. The difference in speed is significant.

 

 

And about my comments on the LS. What I say is true. If you test it out, the damage total is on par with the dagger. That is a FACT.

 

 

 

 

That is bull. Use your freaking head. For melee the only things affecting accuracy are the player's attack level, the monster/player's defence, and the attack bonus of the weapon. The only things affecting damage are the player's attack level and his/her strength bonus, and the spirit shields. If you look at a longsword's stats, it has marginally higher accuracy and somewhat higher strength bonus than a scimitar.

 

 

 

I'm going to test it, though, just to make sure. I'm very confident about what the result will be.

 

 

 

I believe what he meant was the damage over a set period of time, not damage per hit. The reason people view the scimitar as better than a longsword is that the miniscule strength bonus a longsword gives is under normal circumstances not enough to increase a players maximum hit. And of course, people are too ignorant to realize the factor an accuracy bonus does, however both of these factors are still not enough to counter the longswords poor speed, which I have found to be at an 7:5 ratio with the scimitar, higher being slower.

 

 

just use the controlled option with the longsword. I've found that cockroaches seem to be less resistant to stab attacks than slash. I tried it and was beating all the scimitar wielders ;)

 

 

 

If the attack style made that much of a difference then you shouldn't be killing them in the first place.

 

Umm... wtf? If the attack style makes that much of a difference so that you do more damage with a certain weapon, why should you not fight a certain monster? That makes absolutely no sense.

We don't need an unbiased comparison when comparing statistics in RS - you can't be biased in mathematics lol

 

 

 

Bottom line: Scimitar is the best all-around metallic weapon

 

 

 

Also, scimitars are the same speed as daggers. Test it out yourself by fighting someone with a dagger and your damage will appear simultaneously. For further proof...

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2010

 

 

 

Also, it really doesn't matter about how certain weapons prioritize crush att and such rather than slash... the defence bonus differences between a chain and a plate are negligible so choosing a weapon based on its attack setting is pointless

 

 

 

That link also says that whips are the same speed as daggers LOL

 

 

 

Maybe because Whips are the same speed as daggers?

 

 

 

They are?? Haha sorry didn't know that - i'm still a supernoob

 

There must be something wrong with that. If scimitars are the same speed as daggers and by the knowledge base link you pasted says that whips are also the same speed as dagger you're saying that the whip and scimitars are the same speed.

 

 

 

Whip speed =/= Scimitar speed.

 

 

 

but all 3 are the same speed

 

no, they are not. ...i am suprided that you guys, for one, are even following the kb, and secondly, think that a scale of 10(or basicly 2-7 or 6 really) is enough for all of the wepons out there. there are many slight diferences

 

 

 

speed ranked (fastest to slowest)(not all are listed but they are in order)

 

 

 

dagger/whip

 

skimmy

 

longsword

 

b ax

 

2h

 

old c'bows :lol:

Pretty sure scims are slightly slower than whips and daggers...

Umm... wtf? If the attack style makes that much of a difference so that you do more damage with a certain weapon, why should you not fight a certain monster? That makes absolutely no sense.

 

I believe what he is trying to say, is that if there is a noticeable difference between attack styles, that infers the NPC has a high Defence and should not be used to train on or such.

 

 

 

no, they are not. ...i am suprided that you guys, for one, are even following the kb, and secondly, think that a scale of 10(or basicly 2-7 or 6 really) is enough for all of the wepons out there. there are many slight diferences

 

 

 

speed ranked (fastest to slowest)(not all are listed but they are in order)

 

 

 

dagger/whip

 

skimmy

 

longsword

 

b ax

 

2h

 

old c'bows :lol:

 

Whips/Daggers/Scimitars are all the exact same speed. The knowledge base is correct in this respect.

Umm... wtf? If the attack style makes that much of a difference so that you do more damage with a certain weapon, why should you not fight a certain monster? That makes absolutely no sense.

 

I believe what he is trying to say, is that if there is a noticeable difference between attack styles, that infers the NPC has a high Defence and should not be used to train on or such.

 

 

 

no, they are not. ...i am suprided that you guys, for one, are even following the kb, and secondly, think that a scale of 10(or basicly 2-7 or 6 really) is enough for all of the wepons out there. there are many slight diferences

 

 

 

speed ranked (fastest to slowest)(not all are listed but they are in order)

 

 

 

dagger/whip

 

skimmy

 

longsword

 

b ax

 

2h

 

old c'bows :lol:

 

Whips/Daggers/Scimitars are all the exact same speed. The knowledge base is correct in this respect.

 

whips are faster than scimitars...

whips are faster than scimitars...

 

They are not. Your misconception is most likely due to the attack animation. The animation for the Scimitar appears slower when compared to a Whip, but the damage 'splats' are the exact same amount of time apart.

duel someone with a whip and have a scimitar, the damage counters will hit at the exact same time

The speed difference between a whip and scimmy is not enough for a different listing in the KB, but they are deffinatly not the same. I think its 7:6 or 8:7, but there is a difference. Also note the KB scale does not actualy start at speed zero. If it did then a 2h would out hit a dark bow 3:1, yet I know the darkbow to be closer to 2:1 with a longbow, which is ranked 1 above the 2h'ers speed 3. My point is that a 1 point difference in speed by the KB is not that much, since it does not produce 6:5 ratio, its actualy claiming closer to 7:6. Anyways the KB speeds are known to be off, and not proprtional. The ranks only show what weapons are faster by comparison, and only if the weapons are not the same rank. If they are, then there is always some unlisted difference.

You guys disappoint me...

 

 

 

Daggers, scimitars, and whips ALL HAVE THE SAME ATTACK SPEED

 

 

 

Go to the duel arena and fight someone and you'll see that you get equal amounts of hits on each other

 

 

 

:wall:

It really bugs me when people try to say one of their beliefs followed by "PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION"

 

 

 

Is it the poster's job to determine if their post is the end-all be-all of posts? If you have a really good point, do you have the option to just end the discussion there with your opinion to be made as the generally-accepted norm from now on?

 

 

 

Seriously, get over yourself and stop trying to act like your ideas are supreme.

 

 

 

Edit: Looky!

 

Scimitar> longsword, end of discussion.

 

 

 

Man, you won me over! Scimitars must be better now that you ended the discussion!

 

 

 

And to the above post, Muggiwhplar is correct. All three do have the same attack speed.

Though you added some things like the warhammer you still fail.

 

 

 

EDIT: Words eaten... I got pwned.

Though you added some things like the warhammer you still fail.

 

 

 

Warhammer is the same speed as a longsword, which is 1 faster than a battleaxe.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2010

 

 

 

For the love of god, if you're gonna belittle someone for not knowing something, get your facts straight first :wall:

Though you added some things like the warhammer you still fail.

 

 

 

Warhammer is the same speed as a longsword, which is 1 faster than a battleaxe.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2010

 

 

 

For the love of god, if you're gonna belittle someone for not knowing something, get your facts straight first :wall:

 

 

 

Touche, haven't used one for like forever... Should have double checked. I was right in an earlier post here though.

 

 

 

Must have been thinking of Torag's Hammers.

I don't think you can do that, ask which weapon is better.

 

 

 

for example, as you said, a 2Hander can be awesome for combos.

 

 

 

you could also take a mace for it's prayer bonus when this really matters (also, dragon mace can hit high :P).

 

 

 

scimitar can be pretty good for training, not too slow, yet pretty good damage.

 

 

 

and ofcours daggers (especialy DDS), can be awesome as a side weapon, especialy with DDS' special (ofcours poison too).

 

 

 

and let us not forget there are spears too, which could also be nice, and dragon spear could be good for a moderate player to use for running away (for it's special).

 

 

 

I could go on and on with this, the point is --> you can't pick one weapon and say "hey that's the best one".

Longswords are not on par with daggers for damage; they're stronger then scimitars.

 

 

 

Out of the choices I would use a scim as a main weapon.