Points 2 and 3 aren't true at all, once extremely addictive drugs are sold eventually habits and addictions will form while the government wont let there be a constant stream of drug addicts buy dangerous and harmful drugs, controlled like you say.

 

 

 

Therefore, when the addict can't get enough of it from government authorized places they will resort to illegal drugs dealers with even higher prices. Drug dealers are the least of my worries in terms of addictive drugs, stopping it coming in but also most importantly stopping crime from happening which results from many addictive drugs.

 

 

 

Most terrifying experience of my life? Having 2 heroine addicts in withdrawal hold a dirty syringe to my neck while they stole my wallet, watch and phone to use for drug money. The day I see Heroine, Cocaine, Amphetamines etc legalized will be the day I lose faith in my government.

 

 

 

I'm not ignoring the freedom stand point at all, you'd have to be idiotic to take Heroine full well knowing how addictive and harmful to your cardiovascular system it is. The freedom to take harmful drugs would impose so much on the many freedoms of the common citizen it's simply not worth it.

 

 

 

By legalizing it, many will now feel their right to be safe, secure and free from fear threatened. I for one will always feel cautious around drug addicts, if I see someone taking non-recreational drugs I wont even walk near them, the vast majority (in Ireland anyway) are unpredictable and unsafe.

I wonder how many people who say America is a bad place to live have lived here, or just looked at statistics ...

I wonder how many people who say America is a bad place to live have lived here, or just looked at statistics ...

 

you have a point but also dont forget someone who have never been in usa but have lots of friends from usa that have told u how it is living there alot during many years etc etc also gives quite a good picture of how it is living in a countrie specialy in "bigger pictures" like paying high tax for army while u get very little back and have to struggle for simple health care. the cultural diffrences etc are more hard understanding from stories

 

so its not all lived there vs statistics its also other ways of learning about it ;)

 

 

 

and amarican foreign policies are basicly imperialists

 

when european empires crumbled in ww2 usa took over it not by marching armies everywhere like colonial eurpeans but mainly through economics and political pressure and if that dident work as last resorts war like vietnam iraq etc

 

 

 

also someone mentioned earlier saddam killed 750'000?

 

do people count the iraq iran war or what is that couse he dident "musterd gas" that many

I wonder how many people who say America is a bad place to live have lived here, or just looked at statistics ...

 

 

 

Well then I suppose very few of us can comment on the standard of many Middle Eastern, Asian or 3rd world countries and their standard of living since very few of us have ever lived in those countries. It's a pretty redundant statement.

I wonder how many people who say America is a bad place to live have lived here, or just looked at statistics ...

 

 

 

Well then I suppose very few of us can comment on the standard of many Middle Eastern, Asian or 3rd world countries and their standard of living since very few of us have ever lived in those countries. It's a pretty redundant statement.

 

 

 

You do have a legitimate point but only up to a certain level. It is fairly objective to say that some place like north korea has a severe food shortage starvation problem, though it is tricky to decide things like which country is better if you are comparing two first world countries because you can have a pro and con column and it becomes a matter of "taste".

 

 

 

edit--One thing I have always had a problem with is this desire to bash America for the sake of it, America definetely has its sever problems but what country doesnt? I think a lot of the anti American sentiment comes from the fact that for a good while America has been the leading economic and military force in the world, once you get to the top everyone just wants to tear you down. Im not trying to say America is better to live in then any country(well probably better then being in iraq) but it does seem that a lot of people just want to bash America to cover up their own countries problems.

I wonder how many people who say America is a bad place to live have lived here, or just looked at statistics ...

 

 

 

Well then I suppose very few of us can comment on the standard of many Middle Eastern, Asian or 3rd world countries and their standard of living since very few of us have ever lived in those countries. It's a pretty redundant statement.

 

I meant more along the line of what mmmcannibalism said, not like that. From that viewpoint, it's perfectly fine to look at statistics.

That was a pretty radical way to put it (not necessarily a bad thing), but I would agree on many points, especially after living in America all my life. The problem with America arises from the religious radicalism that runs much of the country and the country's own arrogance. The religious radicals fight against social equality and brand almost everything as "evil." A good example of the religious [wagon]-kissing that goes on in America is the fact that gay marriage isn't legal in every state (really I believe only one state has it legalized. ONE state!) and the fact that an atheist wouldn't be elected to any high office in the government anytime soon, even if they are perfect for the job. An example of arrogance would the fact that from an early age, adults constantly bombard kids with slogans like "America is the best country in the world" or "Other countries hate America for its freedom." While national pride isn't a bad thing, national ARROGANCE is. When a country declares war on a certain political ideology and invades a country for it, they are basically forcing their beliefs on another country; even if the country's ideals are bad, it is not any more right for another country to police them.

 

 

 

America has also emprisoned thousands of Japanese in concentration camps during WWII, even after the condemnation against Adolf Hitler for his extermination of the Jews and the set up of concentration camps. America emprisoned thousands of Japanese-Americans based solely on the assumption that all Japanese were evil and a threat to America. Racist propaganda was also circulated through America during this time period against Asians.

 

 

 

The best thing America can do would be to limit religious freedom, let the world be, fix the economy, and just CHILL OUT.

A good example of the religious [wagon]-kissing that goes on in America is the fact that gay marriage isn't legal in every state (really I believe only one state has it legalized. ONE state!)

 

Two. Massachusetts was the first, Connecticut followed this past year.

 

But that's still very few. :|

 

I agree though, America may not be the best country in the world. But yeah, nothing wrong with American pride, as long as you don't boast about how great America is. (I'm not saying America isn't great...I acknowledged how powerful it is in a past post)

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That was a pretty radical way to put it (not necessarily a bad thing), but I would agree on many points, especially after living in America all my life. The problem with America arises from the religious radicalism that runs much of the country and the country's own arrogance. The religious radicals fight against social equality and brand almost everything as "evil." A good example of the religious [wagon]-kissing that goes on in America is the fact that gay marriage isn't legal in every state (really I believe only one state has it legalized. ONE state!) and the fact that an atheist wouldn't be elected to any high office in the government anytime soon, even if they are perfect for the job. An example of arrogance would the fact that from an early age, adults constantly bombard kids with slogans like "America is the best country in the world" or "Other countries hate America for its freedom." While national pride isn't a bad thing, national ARROGANCE is. When a country declares war on a certain political ideology and invades a country for it, they are basically forcing their beliefs on another country; even if the country's ideals are bad, it is not any more right for another country to police them.

 

 

 

America has also emprisoned thousands of Japanese in concentration camps during WWII, even after the condemnation against Adolf Hitler for his extermination of the Jews and the set up of concentration camps. America emprisoned thousands of Japanese-Americans based solely on the assumption that all Japanese were evil and a threat to America. Racist propaganda was also circulated through America during this time period against Asians.

 

 

 

The best thing America can do would be to limit religious freedom, let the world be, fix the economy, and just CHILL OUT.

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America has more of a problem with religious semi radicals then radicals(not much of a difference but its some strong right wing religious groups that cause an inflation of right wing policy without being truly radical)

 

 

 

I live with a fairly right wing family, that opposed gay marriage and thinks obama is a muslim(so annoying), but ive never heard the phrase other countries hate us for our freedom, must have been some real crazies to say that.

 

 

 

What bothers me about America is our sticking to policy and positions because they are liberal or conservative. Like how no american politician has a moderate abortion policy because they dont want to offend their parties base. The infinite loop of sound bites like gay marriage is destroying the sacredness of marriage get old very quickly when you realize its just religion manipulating people.

 

 

 

Sure there are things America has done that were really terrible, that doesnt mean it isnt in purpose a good country. (we dont think germany is evil because of hitler do we, doesnt get much more evil then that).

The best thing America can do would be to limit religious freedom

 

What do you mean by that part? I don't understand that.

The best thing America can do would be to limit religious freedom

 

What do you mean by that part? I don't understand that.

 

 

 

I think his point is that religious freedom is wrong because it caused a christian majority to control American policy. Guess we should just go Nazi so we dont allow too many religions to go unpunished :roll: .

 

 

 

(yes that was a strawman), but limiting religious freedom because you dont like christians is ridiculous and not going to help anyone.

What kind of puerile reasoning can possibly accompany those who want to restrict religious freedom?

 

 

 

If that sort of thing's acceptable, maybe I should start saying the UK should ban any political parties that want to cut public spending. :roll:

For the most part I agree with your post serephurus, except for the part about limiting religious freedom. I am an atheist myself, but I think restricting people from practicing their religion is wrong.

 

 

 

From my experience, it seems like many non-americans hold every American citizen personally responsible for the government's actions, and assume that they all support the government.

For the most part I agree with your post serephurus, except for the part about limiting religious freedom. I am an atheist myself, but I think restricting people from practicing their religion is wrong.

 

 

 

From my experience, it seems like many non-americans hold every American citizen personally responsible for the government's actions, and assume that they all support the government.

 

 

 

Which is very ironic considering most americans generally oppose what the government is doing.

 

 

 

(funny how we dont want companies to get bailouts but loved the idea of the government sending us stimulus checks)

Welcome to the "Terror" Watch List buddy, sad but true.

Welcome to the "Terror" Watch List buddy, sad but true.

 

 

 

Was that directed at anyone or just a general statement?

or maybe simply expand the freedome FROM religon in usa ;)

Well I just read a history of all American wars. Seems this is the problem.

 

 

 

UK: Alright, a war may be necessary, but I'm confident we can work this out peacefully.

 

 

 

US: LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOY!!!!!!

Well I just read a history of all American wars. Seems this is the problem.

 

 

 

UK: Alright, a war may be necessary, but I'm confident we can work this out peacefully.

 

 

 

US: LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOY!!!!!!

 

 

 

except the civil war, that was just us screaming state/national rights until human dignity became a political advantage.

Hm, quite the comparison, Dizzle. Well, modern wars, at least. Go before 1900 and both nations are just going crazy.

Although he's gone very soon, George Bush was the biggest terrorist of the war on terror, bringing terror and fear to the people of Iraq while forcing democracy upon them.

 

 

 

I hate to say this, but your view on Iraq is pretty dim. If Bush was bringing fear to Iraq, then that reporter wouldn't have thrown his shoes at the president since he probably would have been dead if Bush was a terrorist. Compare Iraq today and Iraq when Saddam was in control. I think even you would notice the difference.

 

 

 

What it's supposed to mean is, When a country launches an invasion upon another and kills civilians in the process, it's an act of "war", yet when a group of militants kill the opposing attackers it is branded "terrorism".

 

 

 

Are you trying to say that we're the bad guys and the terrorists are the heroes. The terrorists are trying to bring fear in the civilians by Killing them.

 

 

 

Read the story of Mozzam Begg called "Enemy Combatant", a story of a man who attended a guerrilla training camp as a teen, funded one indirectly through an accident years later and then was jailed in various American "prison" camps such as Guantanamo bay, without trial for 4 years.

 

 

 

The American policy is not perfect, mistakes will be made no matter what. It doesn't mean that its evil or cruel to prisoners though. I know plenty other prisons around the globe that do or has done far worse than Guantanamo Bay has done.

 

 

 

The American policy based around Guantanamo bay seems to be that of internment, which basically defys many basic human rights to the very core.

 

 

 

So you are saying that we should give people that want us dead full rights? All Guantanamo Bay is doing is keeping extremely dangerous men from traveling everywhere and killing innocent civilians.

 

 

 

As far as I'm concerned, the way the American foreign policy acts is that of a coward and a bully quite often.

 

 

 

I don't see how preventing bad people from killing others is being a "coward" and a "bully".

Land of the free?Whoever told you that is your enemy.

 

Yes I know my enemies

 

They're the teachers who taught me to fight me

 

Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission

 

Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite

 

All of which are American dreams

Land of the free?Whoever told you that is your enemy.

 

No no, it's "WHAT? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy."

 

:thumbsup: ANTILULZ OVER.