January 31, 200917 yr I plan on making cash for either one of these and then getting 90 str with an ss, question is which would be best for pking, I'd be ranging then pulling ko weapon out for spec, so ags or claws?
January 31, 200917 yr Well, with Dragon Claws your opponent can't eat during the special, thus it has good KO potential. Ags gives huge hits but rarely. So I'd get Claws. Many believe that the 1980 eruption of Mt. Saint Helens was a catostrophic geological event, in reality it was the day that Jimi Hendrix returned to Earth from the next world and actually stood up next to a mountain and chopped it down with the edge of his hand.-Random Youtuber
January 31, 200917 yr I'd say d claws. They're cheaper, you can eventually pull a pair from GE at max now, faster, have the same, if not better accuracy and even have a higher max hit (It's assumed a total hit of 96 is possible in a d claw spec, I'm not sure if this is for PvM or PvP). Only reason I'd consider AGS is because it attracts less attention and is more likely to KO after your specs (should they not do the job). A Draconic Guide V1.4, Fimer - Multi-Timer Farming Timer V3.Dragon Boots: 39|Abyssal Whips: 16|Dark Bows: 1|
January 31, 200917 yr Author hmm ok... claws it is i guess EDIT: more opinions would be nice however..
January 31, 200917 yr Claws are more accurate and hit higher and are also cheaper. But ags looks cool. 8-) [/bads]
January 31, 200917 yr if I were you I would create your pking setup and see if you can protect your dragon claws before you buy one. Help drive change Canada
January 31, 200917 yr Author if I were you I would create your pking setup and see if you can protect your dragon claws before you buy one. dont worry if i use msb rune full helm and dhide i should be able to, even with rune legs most likely
January 31, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. AGS - 0 D claws - 4 There is not a SINGLE reason to use AGS over D claws. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks
February 1, 200917 yr Theyre crashing already:D They rose 1.7M, doesn't seem like it. That's unless they're selling at min after the rise. A crash is due though. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once Actually, d claws hit 1.5 times per AGS hit, although it doesn't change the fact that claws are better. A Draconic Guide V1.4, Fimer - Multi-Timer Farming Timer V3.Dragon Boots: 39|Abyssal Whips: 16|Dark Bows: 1|
February 1, 200917 yr Theyre crashing already:D They rose 1.7M, doesn't seem like it. That's unless they're selling at min after the rise. A crash is due though. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once Actually, d claws hit 1.5 times per AGS hit, although it doesn't change the fact that claws are better. I meant that for speccing, you'll get 2 d claw specs in in the time your opponent gets one. You are right, though; for non spec attacks, d claws are 1.5x faster, not 2x. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks
February 1, 200917 yr Claws are more consistant with their KO potential than ags's are in my personal experience, so I would aim for the claws, the only positive with AGS is the ability to use better equipment due to the high alch value(yes I know that you can use whatever equipment that you want and risk losing your weapon, but that is idiotic, and I personally don't condone idiocy.) That parenthetical(is that a word?) bit is just to preempt any smart [wagon]. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
February 1, 200917 yr Claws are more consistant with their KO potential than ags's are in my personal experience, so I would aim for the claws, the only positive with AGS is the ability to use better equipment due to the high alch value(yes I know that you can use whatever equipment that you want and risk losing your weapon, but that is idiotic, and I personally don't condone idiocy.) That parenthetical(is that a word?) bit is just to preempt any smart [wagon]. It is a word, and you used it correctly. I love the English language. My suggestion (though necessary at this point) is to buy the claws. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off.
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall:
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me. Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall:
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me. Whips are no good at black dragons/dark beasts because whips have no stab/crush attack Pureprayer, you're awesome.
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me. Wrong. Common myth. Whip + defender beats godsword at bosses (high defence) and maxed defence tank players (higher defence still). The only thing godsword has going for it is easier prayer switching, which isn't an issue if your experienced. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me. Not meaning to nitpick, but you might want to remove dragons from your example, 2handers usually don't fare too well against them. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
February 1, 200917 yr Here's the facts. Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS. Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me. Wrong. Common myth. Whip + defender beats godsword at bosses (high defence) and maxed defence tank players (higher defence still). The only thing godsword has going for it is easier prayer switching, which isn't an issue if your experienced. Sorry, but this is a bit hard to believe... [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player]
February 1, 200917 yr Sorry, but this is a bit hard to believe... It's true. Try it out in PVP. I found it hard to believe, but even in PVP against maxed tanks (think full torags, DFS, super defence pots, piety) whip + defender outhits godsword by a significant margin. It's the same as in low defence, there's no reason godsword would suddenly jump. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks
February 1, 200917 yr Which "bosses" exactly? I'll assume that graardor stopped being considered a "boss" recently? Or perhaps you had others in mind. and monsters seem to have higher defenses than players(boss monsters I mean), which is why a whip is btter for players, and I used to do random duels with random people a lot, and I suppose that cannot be considered as a reliable experiment, but I got more wins overall using veracs. I seriously doubt that anyone uses vercs in PVP worlds/bh though. Isn't this completely off topic? --On topic-- Buy claws when you can. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
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