D claws or Ags

[gongusan]

I plan on making cash for either one of these and then getting 90 str with an ss, question is which would be best for pking, I'd be ranging then pulling ko weapon out for spec, so ags or claws?

[Aeon_]

Well, with Dragon Claws your opponent can't eat during the special, thus it has good KO potential. Ags gives huge hits but rarely. So I'd get Claws.

[Lets_3ekout]

I'd say d claws. They're cheaper, you can eventually pull a pair from GE at max now, faster, have the same, if not better accuracy and even have a higher max hit (It's assumed a total hit of 96 is possible in a d claw spec, I'm not sure if this is for PvM or PvP).

 

 

 

Only reason I'd consider AGS is because it attracts less attention and is more likely to KO after your specs (should they not do the job).

[gongusan]

hmm ok... claws it is i guess

 

EDIT: more opinions would be nice however..

[daniels911]

Claws are more accurate and hit higher and are also cheaper.

 

But ags looks cool. 8-)

[glasscube]

if I were you I would create your pking setup and see if you can protect your dragon claws before you buy one.

[gongusan]

if I were you I would create your pking setup and see if you can protect your dragon claws before you buy one.

 

dont worry if i use msb rune full helm and dhide i should be able to, even with rune legs most likely

[JustPokemon]

hmm... for pking, id go d claws

[compfreak847]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

AGS - 0

 

D claws - 4

 

 

 

There is not a SINGLE reason to use AGS over D claws.

[pinguimmaiden]

Claws are very dangerous while pking, spec usually kills everyone ;)

[Great_one]

get the 90 str first then d claws, they will be crashing within a few days

[viktor_wins]

Theyre crashing already:D

[Lets_3ekout]

Theyre crashing already:D

 

They rose 1.7M, doesn't seem like it. That's unless they're selling at min after the rise. A crash is due though.

 

 

 

D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once

 

Actually, d claws hit 1.5 times per AGS hit, although it doesn't change the fact that claws are better.

[compfreak847]

Theyre crashing already:D

 

They rose 1.7M, doesn't seem like it. That's unless they're selling at min after the rise. A crash is due though.

 

 

 

D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once

 

Actually, d claws hit 1.5 times per AGS hit, although it doesn't change the fact that claws are better.

 

I meant that for speccing, you'll get 2 d claw specs in in the time your opponent gets one. You are right, though; for non spec attacks, d claws are 1.5x faster, not 2x.

[wioneo]

Claws are more consistant with their KO potential than ags's are in my personal experience, so I would aim for the claws, the only positive with AGS is the ability to use better equipment due to the high alch value(yes I know that you can use whatever equipment that you want and risk losing your weapon, but that is idiotic, and I personally don't condone idiocy.)

 

 

 

That parenthetical(is that a word?) bit is just to preempt any smart [wagon].

[Obtaurian]

Claws are more consistant with their KO potential than ags's are in my personal experience, so I would aim for the claws, the only positive with AGS is the ability to use better equipment due to the high alch value(yes I know that you can use whatever equipment that you want and risk losing your weapon, but that is idiotic, and I personally don't condone idiocy.)

 

 

 

That parenthetical(is that a word?) bit is just to preempt any smart [wagon].

 

 

 

It is a word, and you used it correctly. I love the English language.

 

 

 

My suggestion (though necessary at this point) is to buy the claws.

[llamster]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

[compfreak847]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

 

What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer.

[llamster]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

 

What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer.

 

 

 

Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me.

[pureprayer]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

 

What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer.

 

 

 

Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me.

 

Whips are no good at black dragons/dark beasts because whips have no stab/crush attack

[compfreak847]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

 

What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer.

 

 

 

Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me.

 

Wrong. Common myth. Whip + defender beats godsword at bosses (high defence) and maxed defence tank players (higher defence still). The only thing godsword has going for it is easier prayer switching, which isn't an issue if your experienced.

[wioneo]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

 

What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer.

 

 

 

Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me.

 

 

 

Not meaning to nitpick, but you might want to remove dragons from your example, 2handers usually don't fare too well against them.

[Inuashakent]

Here's the facts.

 

 

 

Whip + Defender FAR outhits AGS. AGS should not even be considered for a non-spec PKing weapon. As such, it boils down to specials. D claws will hit twice in the time AGS hits once; you can then pull out your whip and continue owning. D claws is more accurate, and will miss far less then the AGS. D claws hit higher, on average, then an AGS. D claws have a higher max hit then AGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP?

 

What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer.

 

 

 

Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me.

 

Wrong. Common myth. Whip + defender beats godsword at bosses (high defence) and maxed defence tank players (higher defence still). The only thing godsword has going for it is easier prayer switching, which isn't an issue if your experienced.

 

Sorry, but this is a bit hard to believe...

[compfreak847]

 

Sorry, but this is a bit hard to believe...

 

It's true. Try it out in PVP. I found it hard to believe, but even in PVP against maxed tanks (think full torags, DFS, super defence pots, piety) whip + defender outhits godsword by a significant margin. It's the same as in low defence, there's no reason godsword would suddenly jump.

[wioneo]

Which "bosses" exactly? I'll assume that graardor stopped being considered a "boss" recently? Or perhaps you had others in mind. and monsters seem to have higher defenses than players(boss monsters I mean), which is why a whip is btter for players, and I used to do random duels with random people a lot, and I suppose that cannot be considered as a reliable experiment, but I got more wins overall using veracs.

 

 

 

I seriously doubt that anyone uses vercs in PVP worlds/bh though. Isn't this completely off topic?

 

 

 

--On topic--

 

Buy claws when you can.