The Balance Elemental

[War_Junky_91]

 

BE: "And to protect the Stone until such a time as, near to death, whereby you are relieved of all duties and shall henceforth be returned to your home plane with the gratitude and blessings of Guthix."

 

 

Maybe by saying that the Balance Elemental was passing the torch? Are we (you) now the guardian of the stone of Jas? Maybe thats how we are going to defeat Lucien? We now have the favor of Guthix and cannot die while protecting the stone?

[Kimberly]

 

BE: "And to protect the Stone until such a time as, near to death, whereby you are relieved of all duties and shall henceforth be returned to your home plane with the gratitude and blessings of Guthix."

 

 

Maybe by saying that the Balance Elemental was passing the torch? Are we (you) now the guardian of the stone of Jas? Maybe thats how we are going to defeat Lucien? We now have the favor of Guthix and cannot die while protecting the stone?

 

 

 

Much like Zanik wasn't allowed to die in Death to the Dorgesh'unn? Hmmm.. Probably the more believable theories right now. :o

[Sy_Accursed]

I like the idea that the chaos elemental tells the future so the balance elemental tells the past.

 

 

 

It'd also make a nice get out clause of having to make the player some how godly.

 

 

 

The required quests for WGS suggest the elf, gnome, dwarf, monkey, vampire and mahjaratt story lines converging. Which would mean the return of the dragonkin, zaros, zamorak and lucien as a god.

 

 

 

If the balance elemental truly does tell the past, perhaps in the face of the world being destroyed we use the meeting history key to go back in time to when Guthix original hid the stone and forewarn him of what is to come and he therefore destroys the stone instead and in the process causes us to "die" and this death is when we are propelled through time and land with no recolation at the tutorial. Only since we have already done that this time we get a nice cutscene where we suddenly remember our childhood etc.

 

 

 

I'm going off on tangents now lol.

 

 

 

But the obvious conclusion to this story line is either we have to go back in time and stop the events that started it OR we have to gain power to be more powerful than the gods.

[Beriorn]

But the obvious conclusion to this story line is either we have to go back in time and stop the events that started it OR we have to gain power to be more powerful than the gods.

 

 

 

So we need to become more powerful than the the gods of Runescape...

 

 

 

There is only one way to do this: we track down Andrew, and usurp his crown.

[Danqazmlp]

I like the idea that the chaos elemental tells the future so the balance elemental tells the past.

 

 

 

It'd also make a nice get out clause of having to make the player some how godly.

 

 

 

The required quests for WGS suggest the elf, gnome, dwarf, monkey, vampire and mahjaratt story lines converging. Which would mean the return of the dragonkin, zaros, zamorak and lucien as a god.

 

 

 

If the balance elemental truly does tell the past, perhaps in the face of the world being destroyed we use the meeting history key to go back in time to when Guthix original hid the stone and forewarn him of what is to come and he therefore destroys the stone instead and in the process causes us to "die" and this death is when we are propelled through time and land with no recolation at the tutorial. Only since we have already done that this time we get a nice cutscene where we suddenly remember our childhood etc.

 

 

 

I'm going off on tangents now lol.

 

 

 

But the obvious conclusion to this story line is either we have to go back in time and stop the events that started it OR we have to gain power to be more powerful than the gods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That sounds like an awesome quest, however, if we ended up back in tutorial, and stopped everything happening, the old paradox or whatever would happen and jagex would be forced to break the space time continuum (sp?), or we would have to forfeit our account and end up back with flat 3's in all skills, to have the quest cape (now that would be respected :thumbsup: )

[pulli23]

it reminds me about that film... THe terminator I believe.....

 

 

 

I think this chaos elemental was send back from the future.

[Zaaps1]

But the obvious conclusion to this story line is either we have to go back in time and stop the events that started it OR we have to gain power to be more powerful than the gods.

 

 

 

So we need to become more powerful than the the gods of Runescape...

 

 

 

There is only one way to do this: we track down Andrew, and usurp his crown.

 

 

 

Lol.

 

 

 

Well now there are 2 interpretations. 1. The Balance Elemental represents an alternate, but parallel plane to RuneScape, or 2. The Balance Elemental represents the past.

 

 

 

Interestingly enough, we have the storyline and quests right now for both to be true (Summers' End and Meeting History).

[Sy_Accursed]

I like the idea that the chaos elemental tells the future so the balance elemental tells the past.

 

 

 

It'd also make a nice get out clause of having to make the player some how godly.

 

 

 

The required quests for WGS suggest the elf, gnome, dwarf, monkey, vampire and mahjaratt story lines converging. Which would mean the return of the dragonkin, zaros, zamorak and lucien as a god.

 

 

 

If the balance elemental truly does tell the past, perhaps in the face of the world being destroyed we use the meeting history key to go back in time to when Guthix original hid the stone and forewarn him of what is to come and he therefore destroys the stone instead and in the process causes us to "die" and this death is when we are propelled through time and land with no recolation at the tutorial. Only since we have already done that this time we get a nice cutscene where we suddenly remember our childhood etc.

 

 

 

I'm going off on tangents now lol.

 

 

 

But the obvious conclusion to this story line is either we have to go back in time and stop the events that started it OR we have to gain power to be more powerful than the gods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That sounds like an awesome quest, however, if we ended up back in tutorial, and stopped everything happening, the old paradox or whatever would happen and jagex would be forced to break the space time continuum (sp?), or we would have to forfeit our account and end up back with flat 3's in all skills, to have the quest cape (now that would be respected :thumbsup: )

 

 

 

That would annoy many many people lol.

 

 

 

It'd be quite cool though that after you altered the past the balance elemental does "kill" you, you wake up (in line with the new version tutorial) in lumby at base stats. But then after a couple of tasks you get a headache and pass out and wake up in ur childhood or w/e. Then kinda flit between childhood and various parts of quests etc (nothing combatty) and solve the puzzle of who you are then like meet guthix or someone and they r like "the world needs you" or something and give u a book of knowledge that you read and remember everything and are therefore propelled back into rs to the point where u left for the past but with everything safe.

[Danqazmlp]

That actually sounds better than what will actually happen now.

[Meta318]

What if somehow we died and ascended to another plane of Runescape with more lands and resources, and only the high level people who have done this new quest can access it. (Maybe super high requirements). You could go back between lands, but the ascended place would be less crowded/nooby. I'd like this but there could be some problems with it..

[Aneron]

The balance elemental was kind of irrelevant to the plot of the quest; I think it was just saying random taunts (except for the last thing where it was released).

[JustAGamer]

Mmm..perhaps next part of Making/Meeting History ??

 

 

 

 

Part 3: Becoming History. :lol:

 

 

 

Guthix's awakening has been looming for a while now, what with the new quests, the disturbances in Mortanya, etc.

 

 

 

Perhaps the 150th quest is the awakening?

[shade1234]

Whatever happens in the story line i just hope jagex doesnt take any references from the bible

 

E.g. You are guthix's son sent to runescape and to save it you must die and be reborn #-o

 

P.s Sorry if that offended anyone :oops:

[Zaaps1]

[hide=Half-epiphany I had when I was thinking about Guthix "reawakening", which would cause total destruction, warning]Guthix remindsme of this song:

 

 

 

"Fire coming out of the Monkey's head" -Gorillaz

 

 

 

Once upon a time at the foot of a great mountain,

 

there was a town where the people known as Happyfolk lived,

 

their very existence a mystery to the rest of the world,

 

obscured as it was by great clouds.

 

Here they played out their peaceful lives,

 

innocent of the litany of excess and violence that was growing in the world below.

 

To live in harmony with the spirit of the mountain called Monkey was enough.

 

Then one day Strangefolk arrived in the town.

 

They came in camouflage, hidden behind dark glasses, but no one noticed them: they only saw shadows.

 

You see, without the Truth of the Eyes, the Happyfolk were blind.

 

 

 

Falling out of aeroplanes and hiding out in holes

 

Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home

 

Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head

 

Now everybody dancing the dance of the dead,

 

the dance of the dead,

 

the dance of the dead

 

 

 

In time, Strangefolk found their way into the higher reaches of the mountain,

 

and it was there that they found the caves of unimaginable Sincerity and Beauty.

 

By chance, they stumbled upon the Place Where All Good Souls Come to Rest.

 

The Strangefolk, they coveted the jewels in these caves above all things,

 

and soon they began to mine the mountain, its rich seam fueling the chaos of their own world.

 

Meanwhile, down in the town, the Happyfolk slept restlessly,

 

their dreams invaded by shadowy figures digging away at their souls.

 

Every day, people would wake and stare at the mountain.

 

Why was it bringing darkness into their lives?

 

And as the Strangefolk mined deeper and deeper into the mountain,

 

holes began to appear, bringing with them a cold and bitter wind that chilled the very soul of the monkey.

 

For the first time, the Happyfolk felt fearful for they knew that soon the Monkey would soon stir from its deep sleep.

 

And then came a sound. Distant first, it grew into castrophany so immense it could be heard far away in space.

 

There were no screams. There was no time.

 

The mountain called Monkey had spoken.

 

There was only fire.

 

And then, nothing.[/hide]

 

 

 

Looking through the lyrics, I can draw many connections. Allusion?

[Sy_Accursed]

Whatever happens in the story line i just hope jagex doesnt take any references from the bible

 

E.g. You are guthix's son sent to runescape and to save it you must die and be reborn #-o

 

P.s Sorry if that offended anyone :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

yeah cause a company that has purposefully avoided all religious holidays and references in-game for years on end will just stick the bible in one day.

 

 

 

Rs doesnt do rl religious references because rs has its own religions.

[Zaaps1]

Whatever happens in the story line i just hope jagex doesnt take any references from the bible

 

E.g. You are guthix's son sent to runescape and to save it you must die and be reborn #-o

 

P.s Sorry if that offended anyone :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

yeah cause a company that has purposefully avoided all religious holidays and references in-game for years on end will just stick the bible in one day.

 

 

 

Rs doesnt do rl religious references because rs has its own religions.

 

 

 

Christmas and Easter?

[chazzycaz]

BE: The bloom of youth only lasts so long. What can any of us aspire to but a glorious death, and yours was glorious.

 

 

 

 

Now that is the important bit I think. If he is talking about the future, we will die fighting Lucien perhaps, or sacrifice ourselves in order to save the day (stone). I dont know why this would be so dramatic though, as we would just respawn... Maybe we wont... =S

 

 

 

If he is talking about the past, perhaps we are the reincarnation of some hero, much like Bob the cat, and since that hero was held in some high esteem with Guthix, we can be sure to have his favour in the coming battle.

 

 

 

Whatever the outcome, I dont think the conversation is meaningless, although I missed it myself - too busy prayer switching =[

[Randox]

I don't know about where the balence elemental comes from, but when is just as interesting. I like the idea of the balence elemental talking about the past, it's definatly what he seems to be doing. I figure, if he's talking about a past that has not happened, that means he's from the future or we have one heck of a time issue.

 

 

 

I think is that something wen't horribly wrong with either on Gielinor iteself, or on the previous place the Stone of Jas was left. Since the second has all kinds of issues (mahjarrat are long lived, but there not immortal and lucien would be dead several times over), I will go for the first. Anyways, something wen't wrong and someone got the stone of Jas that shouldn't have (perhaps even our own charecter got it first). This error led to another God wars, Guthix woke up and there was either a huge God battle and Gielinor was destroyed, or Guthix woke up and just anhialated everything. Since our charecter was around to die, there was probably some Divine [wagon] kicking going on.

 

 

 

Guthix woudl have had to destroy the world, so it might have sen't the chaos elemental back in time to delay our charecter or whatever to fix the problem (this suggests lucien was supposed to get Jas). The bit about the rightful plane neat. We already know several inhabitants of Gielinor are not native (the white knights are from our dimension, Earth). Since we must have known the balence elemental, that means our chaecter is also not native to Gielinor explaining some memory issues and lack of family (except for the crest in the con skill). The alternative is teh balence elemental was brought to Gielinor after the events of WGS and our charecter and the elemental became friends (though I still doubt our charecter is native to Gielinor).

[Sy_Accursed]

Whatever happens in the story line i just hope jagex doesnt take any references from the bible

 

E.g. You are guthix's son sent to runescape and to save it you must die and be reborn #-o

 

P.s Sorry if that offended anyone :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

yeah cause a company that has purposefully avoided all religious holidays and references in-game for years on end will just stick the bible in one day.

 

 

 

Rs doesnt do rl religious references because rs has its own religions.

 

 

 

Christmas and Easter?

 

 

 

christmas and easter are sort of christian holidays, but christians stole them from pagan calendar anyway and in our modern consumerist age they hold barley any religious means and basically everyone celebrates it regardless of faith

[Zaaps1]

Whatever happens in the story line i just hope jagex doesnt take any references from the bible

 

E.g. You are guthix's son sent to runescape and to save it you must die and be reborn #-o

 

P.s Sorry if that offended anyone :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

yeah cause a company that has purposefully avoided all religious holidays and references in-game for years on end will just stick the bible in one day.

 

 

 

Rs doesnt do rl religious references because rs has its own religions.

 

 

 

Christmas and Easter?

 

 

 

christmas and easter are sort of christian holidays, but christians stole them from pagan calendar anyway and in our modern consumerist age they hold barley any religious means and basically everyone celebrates it regardless of faith

 

 

 

Maybe where you live. But I know where I live there is still distinct separation. I mean, I have agnostic and atheist friends who celebrate the holidays just for the hell of it, yeah. But others are alined to a religion, mostly Judaism, but I know a few Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists as well.

 

 

 

So while those holidays may have lost some or most of their original intentions, know that generally they are still celebrated on a religious basis.

 

 

 

As for Christianity ripping the holidays off Pagan ones, I won't say it's impossible, perhaps it is true, but I haven't heard of anything going with that. But that's probably because I don't really pay attention to things like this anyway.

 

 

 

But I feel like talking about Real Life Religions might not be the best idea, since it may be a sensitive topic for some people. So let's leave it at that.

 

 

 

I don't know about where the balence elemental comes from, but when is just as interesting. I like the idea of the balence elemental talking about the past, it's definatly what he seems to be doing. I figure, if he's talking about a past that has not happened, that means he's from the future or we have one heck of a time issue.

 

 

 

I think is that something wen't horribly wrong with either on Gielinor iteself, or on the previous place the Stone of Jas was left. Since the second has all kinds of issues (mahjarrat are long lived, but there not immortal and lucien would be dead several times over), I will go for the first. Anyways, something wen't wrong and someone got the stone of Jas that shouldn't have (perhaps even our own charecter got it first). This error led to another God wars, Guthix woke up and there was either a huge God battle and Gielinor was destroyed, or Guthix woke up and just anhialated everything. Since our charecter was around to die, there was probably some Divine [wagon] kicking going on.

 

 

 

Guthix woudl have had to destroy the world, so it might have sen't the chaos elemental back in time to delay our charecter or whatever to fix the problem (this suggests lucien was supposed to get Jas). The bit about the rightful plane neat. We already know several inhabitants of Gielinor are not native (the white knights are from our dimension, Earth). Since we must have known the balence elemental, that means our chaecter is also not native to Gielinor explaining some memory issues and lack of family (except for the crest in the con skill). The alternative is teh balence elemental was brought to Gielinor after the events of WGS and our charecter and the elemental became friends (though I still doubt our charecter is native to Gielinor).

 

 

 

 

That's one big time issue we have on our hands. But I reckon I could just call in my Dialga and everything will be ok :thumbup:

[Barihawk]

I don't know about where the balence elemental comes from, but when is just as interesting. I like the idea of the balence elemental talking about the past, it's definatly what he seems to be doing. I figure, if he's talking about a past that has not happened, that means he's from the future or we have one heck of a time issue.

 

 

 

I think is that something wen't horribly wrong with either on Gielinor iteself, or on the previous place the Stone of Jas was left. Since the second has all kinds of issues (mahjarrat are long lived, but there not immortal and lucien would be dead several times over), I will go for the first. Anyways, something wen't wrong and someone got the stone of Jas that shouldn't have (perhaps even our own charecter got it first). This error led to another God wars, Guthix woke up and there was either a huge God battle and Gielinor was destroyed, or Guthix woke up and just anhialated everything. Since our charecter was around to die, there was probably some Divine [wagon] kicking going on.

 

 

 

Guthix woudl have had to destroy the world, so it might have sen't the chaos elemental back in time to delay our charecter or whatever to fix the problem (this suggests lucien was supposed to get Jas). The bit about the rightful plane neat. We already know several inhabitants of Gielinor are not native (the white knights are from our dimension, Earth). Since we must have known the balence elemental, that means our chaecter is also not native to Gielinor explaining some memory issues and lack of family (except for the crest in the con skill). The alternative is teh balence elemental was brought to Gielinor after the events of WGS and our charecter and the elemental became friends (though I still doubt our charecter is native to Gielinor).

 

 

 

FYI I think you mean King Arthur and his entourage and not the White Knights. I think those were just put in as a fun reference long before they started these intermingling quest lines. Regicide was just going to be it's own quest but they started to tie it into this new storyline just as they did with all the quests. It was obviously a decision made in the last few years.

[kazumaishimaru]

I just had to sign in and post here. I have such a love/hate relationship with these kinds of things. :D

 

 

 

Okay, when I was fighting the balance elemental I was very intrigued by his (her?) ramblings. The thing that hit me, which you stated, was his use of past tense. I don't quite think that I (we?) didn't kill it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't sent back to his realm. The main thought that popped in my head was, "I did something in the past didn't I?" I bet that this is all going to culmanate in me (us?) going to the past and interacting with the balance elemental.

 

 

 

My theory is that with the Fist in Lucien's possesion we will be forced to destroy it with some other godly artifact. (zarosian?) Then, perhaps, we go through time or space to retrieve the fist from another time.

 

Here's where the "hate" comes in....if we time travel that means we can take the stone before lucien does and therefore never needed to go back...happen..need to...and.....ouch.....my brain hit paradoxes....

[Lt_Surge]

I don't know if this was mentioned before (I did not read the whole thread carefully :oops: ), but in the one Postbag letter, the Chaos Elemental says that is it old sometimes, or something to that effect. The rest of my speculation will assume that the Balance and Chaos Elementals share many properties.

 

 

 

The statement by the CE and this thread combined made me think that possibly the CE (and BE) exist simultaneously at every possible point in time, so that if the elementals were a vertical line |, and each point in time was a horizontal line -, then combined they would look like this: ...++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++...

 

 

 

If this was the case, what the Balance Elemental says is the past of a future (but it does not need to say it in the future perfect tense, as it has already happened), and that is why both elementals seem so cryptically insightful. EDIT: Upon rereading this, I realised that my previous statement lacks sufficient reason. What I meant is that they two are so all knowing because they have seen everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen.

 

 

 

Also, I like the taunt theory that I believe was mentioned here. (If it wasn't, I mean that what it is saying is just meant as a taunt).

[Troacctid]

I thought that the Balance Elemental was being arrogant and assumed it already knew it was going to win, so it was mourning your death in advance to save time later.

[ultigamer]

this would be awesome:

 

 

 

to stop lucien; wo is even more powerfull then guthix at the start of the next quest; you'll need to go back in time to stop the events from happening using the enchanted key. you must fight yourself various time during quests you previously have completed but fighting yourself weakens you, untill you stop yourself and save the world; but are left behind with all stats lvl3...then your skills will have to be trained again after the quest, but you will gain exp much faster then usual until you reach your old lvl +1