The Clashing Point of this debate is about godswords and d claws, not whip.

 

 

 

Pureprayer, you have answered a question that was not asked. Were you afraid of answering the question itself, or did you just want to show off with something that is rather common sense than information?

 

 

 

Hello Friend,

 

 

 

Bronze longswords are better than daggers so I am going to use them because at slayer tasks because iron is not in this debate.

 

 

 

You gave an answer without defining the question, which invalidates your point. If the question is "Whether if we should use bronze longswords or bronze daggers in a slayer task", which is precisely defined, then yes, iron is not in this debate. By using such dishonest point of view you are attempting to change the topic thus revealing your obtuseness - either failing or intentionally not seeing the point itself, and thus, losing your credibility in this debate.

Abyssal Whip is of course the best for training, whilst the Saradomin Godsword can be good for healing while training. The Godsword special attacks all have their special uses for boss hunting and minigames etc.

 

 

 

For PvP the Dragon Claws special attack is of course the best, but the thing is that you can easily lose Dragon Claws since their alch value is very low. So therefore it's hard to say whether the Armadyl Godsword (being safer to use) or Dragon Claws are the best for PvP. But with no risk PvP Dragon Claws win.

 

 

 

So in conclusion the Godswords are good for special occasions and Dragon Claws are good if you want to risk it in PvP (or 1-item -.-) whilst Armadyl Godsword doesn't have as good of a special attack as Dragon Claws but is less risky to use in PvP.

Outside of pking they're both pretty useless. If I had to choose, I'd say d claws.

gs is better because it can be used effectively for many more things, a gs can be used to train str, fight bosses effectivly, and can be a good pvp weapon. D claws are a good pvp weapon, arguably better then a gs

 

 

 

id say if all d claws have is pking(which most players wont risk that much money in) then the gs is better.

 

 

 

pureprayer, whats better for training a rune 2h or a bronze 2h, did you say rune 2h? If so your wrong because a whip is better, that is why your logic fails.

 

Whip is more costly BUT if the poster had 70 attack and whips were cheaper then rune 2h's and the poster was either going to buy a bronze 2h or a rune 2h I would say get a whip.

 

 

 

Unless said poster was going for strength xp. (or was f2p).

 

 

 

If this was a thread in H & A I would say its rune 2h's but a whip is cheaper and way better.

 

 

 

Your lack of logic baffles me. We were NOT discussing whips at all. OP never mentioned it AT ALL. He asked, "which is better, d claws or a godsword". WHY DID YOU BRING IN THE WHIP IF NOBODY ASKED FOR IT?

 

 

 

The topic can be looked at in two ways: a) A straight, simple comparison between the two without any thought given to outside factors, or B) A practical comparison of the usefulness of the two. The former is a pointless discussion, in the latter you will have to bring in the whip. If someone posted a thread in Help and Advice asking whether they should buy a godsword or d claws, would you tell him that a godsword is a better training weapon than claws and thus is more worth it?

d claws if you're a high level player. If you don't ko the target in two specs at that point, you really should fight someone more of your size.

gs is better because it can be used effectively for many more things, a gs can be used to train str, fight bosses effectivly, and can be a good pvp weapon. D claws are a good pvp weapon, arguably better then a gs

 

 

 

id say if all d claws have is pking(which most players wont risk that much money in) then the gs is better.

 

 

 

pureprayer, whats better for training a rune 2h or a bronze 2h, did you say rune 2h? If so your wrong because a whip is better, that is why your logic fails.

 

Whip is more costly BUT if the poster had 70 attack and whips were cheaper then rune 2h's and the poster was either going to buy a bronze 2h or a rune 2h I would say get a whip.

 

 

 

Unless said poster was going for strength xp. (or was f2p).

 

 

 

If this was a thread in H & A I would say its rune 2h's but a whip is cheaper and way better.

 

 

 

Your lack of logic baffles me. We were NOT discussing whips at all. OP never mentioned it AT ALL. He asked, "which is better, d claws or a godsword". WHY DID YOU BRING IN THE WHIP IF NOBODY ASKED FOR IT?

 

 

 

The topic can be looked at in two ways: a) A straight, simple comparison between the two without any thought given to outside factors, or B) A practical comparison of the usefulness of the two. The former is a pointless discussion, in the latter you will have to bring in the whip. If someone posted a thread in Help and Advice asking whether they should buy a godsword or d claws, would you tell him that a godsword is a better training weapon than claws and thus is more worth it?

 

Nice straw man. Whip has crap special. Dragon claws and Godsword have better. There. I can win by straw man too.

 

 

 

In THIS debate (Note: DEBATE, NOT HELP) it's comparing only these two items OVERALL. We did NOT specifiy ONLY training, of course, people SHOULD know Whip is the best training weapon, however, in this debate the whip is not involved, and thus should NOT be brought up.

 

 

 

If he wanted to involve whip he'd said Whip vs. Dragon claws vs. Godsword.

The former is a pointless discussion, in the latter you will have to bring in the whip.

 

Actually, since you're comparing the two's usefulness in relevance to each other, you don't need a third party, e.g. you don't need to state the dpm of the dragon 2h to compare the dpm of the d scimitar and d long. Of course, by bringing up that third factor, you're implicating, "Wait! you're forgetting the XYZ weapon which is better the both!"

 

 

 

I can tell you right now that the whip is worse in terms of pvp than both the godsword and the d claws purely because it lacks any sort of burst damage.

 

 

 

And since pvp and pve criteria point don't really have any exchange value (e.g. 3% usefulness in pvp translates into 5% usefulness in pve), you can't just combine the two and come up with "the most useful weapon of all time"; you come up with "The most useful weapon in pvp" and "The most useful weapon in pve" and they both happen to be the same weapon (which is false in this case.)

In terms of training, I tend to think the godsword is better for the mobs with high defence, like black demons, abby demons, nechs, etc.

2 d claws specs= 1 ags spec. D claws have more k0 capability than ags with armour on. D claws are mainly a spec weapon so you use them for specing then take out whip. A gs is just a main weapon.

Hmmm. Godsword is the quite good for slaying and specials there, but Claws are only good for PvP, you can do very nice hit whit them :D

The former is a pointless discussion, in the latter you will have to bring in the whip.

 

Actually, since you're comparing the two's usefulness in relevance to each other, you don't need a third party, e.g. you don't need to state the dpm of the dragon 2h to compare the dpm of the d scimitar and d long. Of course, by bringing up that third factor, you're implicating, "Wait! you're forgetting the XYZ weapon which is better the both!"

 

 

 

I can tell you right now that the whip is worse in terms of pvp than both the godsword and the d claws purely because it lacks any sort of burst damage.

 

 

 

And since pvp and pve criteria point don't really have any exchange value (e.g. 3% usefulness in pvp translates into 5% usefulness in pve), you can't just combine the two and come up with "the most useful weapon of all time"; you come up with "The most useful weapon in pvp" and "The most useful weapon in pve" and they both happen to be the same weapon (which is false in this case.)

 

 

 

Then it'd be like one of those comparisons with a player with 1 attack, 1 defense, and 99 strength; and a player with 99 defense, 1 attack and 1 strength, in order to try to find out whether or not strength is better than defense. It's a pointless discussion that won't prove anything. D claws are better than godswords because, while godswords are better training, you'd be crazy to train with a godsword in the first place.

The former is a pointless discussion, in the latter you will have to bring in the whip.

 

Actually, since you're comparing the two's usefulness in relevance to each other, you don't need a third party, e.g. you don't need to state the dpm of the dragon 2h to compare the dpm of the d scimitar and d long. Of course, by bringing up that third factor, you're implicating, "Wait! you're forgetting the XYZ weapon which is better the both!"

 

 

 

I can tell you right now that the whip is worse in terms of pvp than both the godsword and the d claws purely because it lacks any sort of burst damage.

 

 

 

And since pvp and pve criteria point don't really have any exchange value (e.g. 3% usefulness in pvp translates into 5% usefulness in pve), you can't just combine the two and come up with "the most useful weapon of all time"; you come up with "The most useful weapon in pvp" and "The most useful weapon in pve" and they both happen to be the same weapon (which is false in this case.)

 

 

 

Then it'd be like one of those comparisons with a player with 1 attack, 1 defense, and 99 strength; and a player with 99 defense, 1 attack and 1 strength, in order to try to find out whether or not strength is better than defense. It's a pointless discussion that won't prove anything. D claws are better than godswords because, while godswords are better training, you'd be crazy to train with a godsword in the first place.

 

You can't really compare strength and defense because they are neither polar opposites nor in the same class of combat. Well, you could, but it'd be inconclusive. There's point Y on a number line of target's defense levels. Below point Y, Attack will dictate the majority of your dpm. Above point Y, your strength will dictate it.

 

 

 

Fact: D claws are generally worse than godswords in terms of single shot burst damage. This is because the AGS can hit a 92 max twice and the d claws can hit a max of 55 twice. Not to mention that the AGS is more accurate. Of course this is going with the point Y analogy. If your attack is much higher than the target's defense, then you'd be better off with the claws because it's faster than the AGS and therefore has better multiple shot burst damage.

 

But in every other case, the AGS is superior because it includes X=Y AND X

D claws win for Pjing, and whips win for normal DMs

 

 

 

48-24-24-12 TWICE is better then Ags because by the time you get off 2 Ags specs I could of eaten 3 times.

 

 

 

D claw specs are much better DPS with the specs.

Pure prayer i know what you mean. Abbysal whip is better than Godsword in the aspect. If you compare Godsword and Dragon Claws, Godsword only beats Dragon Claws in an area where Abbysal Whip owns it for lower level requirement and money anyway.

I use a SGS for all non-dragon slayer tasks. Claws are useless once their spec has run out.

It's not opinion, it's FACT. Whip+Defender is always better than Godsword.

 

Nope.

 

 

 

What about a black demons task?

 

 

 

What about abbies?

 

 

 

What about nechrayel?

 

 

 

For just about anything that has a decent defence, the godsword > whip. The whips only saving grace over slower weapons is back to back hits, which rarely happen on those monsters.

.... Back to debating, Dclaws (seems to, haven't spend hundreds of hours thoroughly testing so don't blame me for mistakes) has a better KO ability than a Godsword, imo. The Ags can hit 78's, I've seen it, but you can relatively eat fast enough to not be downed in 2 specials from full health. Dclaws, however, only gives you two rounds of healing, less than enough for a person to eat fast enough to escape death. However, this is only the special attack, which works great on rune or less armour, with anything higher, and or prayer, it's going to fail.

 

 

 

Godswords are much better at hitting without the special compared to Dragon Claws. Yes they are slow, but they have alot higher accuracy and max hit compared to Dragon Claws. To summarise, Dragon Claws are the rich man's Dragon Dagger, fast, effective, and high hits are relatively easy to get.

Thing is Dragon claw's special has a accuracy booster, you literally cannot miss, even if you "do" miss, you do token damage, whereas Godswords can miss, AGS missing both it's specs is uncommon.

To put it simple both Dragon Claws and Godswords have their flaws

 

 

 

Special Attack-Dragon Claws

 

Dragon Claws has a s 50% pecial, accurate, that has a good chance of killing something.

 

Godswords sometimes uses 100% or 50% special and aren't as accurate.

 

 

 

 

 

Normal Attacks-Godswords

 

Dragon Claws- have weak all around stats and are inaccurate.

 

Godswords- are strong and are quite all around.

 

 

 

GWD[and most other bosses]-Godswords

 

Dragon Claws-Inaccurate and misses alot

 

Godsword-specials help trips go smoother and deals a good deal on bosses

 

 

 

Price-Dragon Claws

 

Dragon Claws- are cheaper

 

Godsword-bgs/zgs are cheaper but ags/sgs a re more expensive

 

 

 

Rushing-Dragon Claws

 

Dragon Claws-highly Accurate

 

Godsword-Less accurate, but still hits good

 

 

 

Normal 1 vs 1-Godsword[bgs/ags]

 

Dragon claws-weak normal attack but great ability to ko

 

Godsword-strong normal attack and decent abilty to ko

 

 

 

 

 

Overall:

 

Godswords are better Dragon claws in most aspects, but Dragon claws can ko a bit better.

D claws are a purely offensive weapon. God swords have more variety. You can heal with an sgs, freeze then d bow spec with a zgs (I've seen it happen), and hit harder with a bgs/ags. What I'm trying to say is that god swords are better all around for pking. As for normal combat training, they both suck.

D claws are a purely offensive weapon. God swords have more variety. You can heal with an sgs, freeze then d bow spec with a zgs (I've seen it happen), and hit harder with a bgs/ags. What I'm trying to say is that god swords are better all around for pking. As for normal combat training, they both suck.

 

You can only combo Dark bow and ZGS with spec transfer.

 

 

 

Dragon claws is about the same as a Dragon scimitar without defender, so it isn't that bad.

D claws are a purely offensive weapon. God swords have more variety. You can heal with an sgs, freeze then d bow spec with a zgs (I've seen it happen), and hit harder with a bgs/ags. What I'm trying to say is that god swords are better all around for pking. As for normal combat training, they both suck.

 

You can only combo Dark bow and ZGS with spec transfer.

 

 

 

Dragon claws is about the same as a Dragon scimitar without defender, so it isn't that bad.

 

Hm... 100k on d scimmy or 23m+ on d claws, tough choice

Dragon Claws are only good for their special attack. For normal damage they are more like Dragon Scimitar Use them at PvP, duels and Boss trips.

 

 

 

Godswords have moderate specials (when compared to Dragon Claws) but they have high accuracy when hitting normally and you can use them on Slayer tasks.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

godswords beat dclaws at mh, slayer + normal training, minigames and the "impressive factor". Dclaws *debateably!* beat gs at pking and cost.

 

 

 

gs > dclaws

Remember that these are only for their specs... Whips are outdo them.

It's not opinion, it's FACT. Whip+Defender is always better than Godsword.

 

Nope.

 

 

 

What about a black demons task?

 

 

 

What about abbies?

 

 

 

What about nechrayel?

 

 

 

For just about anything that has a decent defence, the godsword > whip. The whips only saving grace over slower weapons is back to back hits, which rarely happen on those monsters.

 

Wait. Nechs have decent defence? I haven't really noticed that, even with my stats.