I read the whole post, but I didn't see whatever you wanted us to post if we read it all. But I did read it all.

 

 

 

The thing is though, old holiday items do set a player apart. It angers me everytime I see my friend as an egg, because I missed that event. But my rubber chicken sets me apart from every other noob who doesn't have it. In f2p at least, to which I have the most experience with other players, because all my friends are f2p, my rubber chicken commands so much more respect than my combat level. My combat stinks, even with 90 range, 70 prayer, 80 defense, so no one cares because I can't defeat them. On the other hand, the higher levels like me better while I wear it, just like they like my friends when they are eggs.

 

 

 

Plus, the other thing is this. I love my rubber chicken. It is probably my most fun item I own. Making every person able to have this item would do much the same to this item as what the graphics update did to my favorite skill. It is no longer fun to roleplay alone in my house. With everyone having my rubber chicken, it wouldn't be fun to go around whacking people with it, or chicken dancing.

 

 

 

My third and final argument is for rares. I agree with the mass-gold-coming-into-the-economy theory, but there are other things. Some people, like me, would rather have a yellow partyhat they could sell back if they needed cash, instead of a smithing skillcape they bought, had to waste hundreds of hours on runescape being bored, and can't get money back for. I don't have a problem with bought skillcapes, but I myself would respect my own skillcape less for it. I hate cash piles too. For the same reason, I won't ever go chinning, or cannon something other than ice trolls.

 

 

 

Ok, and I'm going to answer to a couple of your arguments.

 

 

 

Equal opportunities-

 

You have to face it. Life isn't fair, and it shouldn't be. No variety in a person means a boring world. And before you say that an item doesn't shape a person, especially an item in a game, it does.

 

Without my computer, I would be a far different person. I would never have been introduced to video games, and thus runescape, and would probably be a much more avid reader. Similarly, items in a game, though to a lesser extent, have an impact. If I had lost my rune armor set, or not even gotten it in the first place, I would probably not still be playing. I wasn't even going to get it in the first place, I was just collecting 100k cash by spending a weekend selling anti dragon shields. Another player whom I knew from the library made me buy it and got me a weapon and everything.

 

 

 

Caps-

 

You keep saying that they can easily raise the caps on everything. But they can't. Runescript is based on Javascript, which has a maximum number of 2.1b(plus some. I've heard 2^31-1, but I'm not sure. That's close enough though). So, if it's possible at all, the Jagex team will have to go through and retool their scripting language. They have done this, I know, but this means a month of no updates. This is not killer, but annoying for something that isn't needed anyway.

 

The only way I can think that they could do this quickly is to implement an alternate currency that could be changed to normal gp at anytime in order to be used on the grand exchange or with other players if it isn't tradeable(which it probably shouldn't be). This still kills the few players who have more than 4.2b.

 

 

 

In regards to your last paragraph, I'm sorry but you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, at all.

 

 

 

RuneScript is most certainly NOT based on JavaScript, and JavaScript does not have a maximum number of 2.1b. The number you're thinking of is 2,147,483,647 ((2^32 / 2) - 1) anyways, which is the maximum value for a signed 32-bit integer in most programming and scripting languages. However there is a magical invention called 64-bit integers, which have an exponentially larger value range. And "retool" is not even a word that exists. Secondly, RuneScape itself is not written in RuneScript. RuneScript is a supplement to RuneScape so that Jagex can add new quests and such without modifying the game itself. Also, it would most likely take a few minutes to change all the instances of "int" to "long". Put it this way: it's a minor task. As for your last sentence, that's a horrible alternate solution. If they implemented an item where the ratio was 1 of that item to 1 gp, as you're suggesting, that would be quite useless. why not a ratio of 1 to 1 million instead? Please think before you type.

 

 

 

I'm offended by all these "facts" you assume to be true when you have no knowledge of computer science or software engineering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's probably a very small niche market for those that want to strive to earn rares, but the fact of the matter is, I could have a 200M hat on my head, or I could have 99 Smithing with an awesome cape. The hat looks good with the rest of my Dragon armor, but 99 Smithing allows me to actually make Rune. Tough choice. -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's seriously not hard to obtain both.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, I did play RSC. And... *drumroll*... quite frankly I think it's horrible compared to RS2. The one thing that most of you seem to ignore is that you did absolutely no work to obtain scythe and bunny ears. You were in the right place in the right time, that is all. Compare this to a bad thing: a person walks down the street, and is killed by a falling anvil. This doesn't mean he did anything to deserve it, he was not a bad person at all. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

 

 

Quite simply, that is the most inane logic I have ever heard, lets just give everyone 99 all skills, because with the right place, right time you can get an unfair advantage on other players. Using that logic, everyone's xp should be doubled each time a "Do X" is released because in the future gains will not be on the same ground. My ear's do nothing but remind me of boing boing hill, They mean nothing to you and give me no advantage over you. Live with it. You must not of pked. RS2 pking has always been and will always be trash compared to RSC pking.

 

 

 

PS - 47 total levels isn't too much of a difference, and I am higher in combat so I'd say we're about equal.

 

Want a deathmatch? Lets make it oldschool. F2P PVP worlds. - You can pick your place to die if you like. I will wear my ears over a helm.

 

 

 

A lot of people like old things because they're old; I like new things because they're new (and usually better and of higher quality). Would you rather drive an obsolete vehicle which is less sturdy, and lacks air conditioning, heat, comfort, safety, etc., than a brand new Toyota that has all of those things? Sure, some of you will say yes... but I'll take the shiny new Toyota rather than the dusty old Ford.

 

 

You make the hat's sound like a good used to benefit yourself, I view them as a collectable, and would I rather have a walter payton rookie over a matt forte's best rookie, yes, I already have a payton, but the proven value is their. Would I rather have a Darth Vader action figure from 77 or 2001? clearly 77.

 

 

 

Because all players should have the same opportunity to enjoy the same content.

 

Give everyone 99 all's so they can enjoy those skill cape emotes too.

 

 

 

It seems like a very elitist attitude.

 

It is. You are arguing with someone who wears it with pride and considers it an exclusive club.

 

 

 

 

 

NOT by getting them off the ground for free, for NO work,

 

let's remove item lending, drop party castle, and every item that no one picks up too.

 

 

 

 

"Jard", please. And communism is good but let's stay on topic. I don't want this to turn into a political discussion.

 

His comparison to communism to me is on topic and valid. Long hail the motherland asgarnia!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lastly - can someone tell me what nochalo is? It's annoying.

 

 

 

Nachalo and konets are Russian for "start" and "finish", respectively. Most people don't read long posts thoroughly so I placed those in there to help assure people read everything. I still notice most people didn't include the second word in their posts... >.<

 

 

 

Trust me, it'd be quite easy for them to raise the caps. The type of a column can be easily altered with a simple SQL command.

 

 

 

WHY are you so guys adamant about your bunny ears and scythe? It seems like a very elitist attitude. There's absolutely nothing being taken away from you by letting new players get them. In fact, it almost seems like jealously that you think you should get something for being an older player and no one else should.

 

 

 

In any event, it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Whether they change the limit, or add some sort of extra medium (i.e. paper money that carries values of 5K-1000K, etc), matters not to this discussion.

 

 

 

Since you don't quite understand the motivation of many players' desire to keep Scythes/Bunny Ears out of the hands of new registrants, let me paint you a picture.

 

 

 

Imagine that your favorite author is giving out autographed copies of his latest novel, for a few hours on one specific day, and they would never be made available to the public again. You happen to be in the bookstore at the time, so you patiently line up and get a copy.

 

 

 

A few years later, a friend notices the autographed book, and wants a copy. You tell him, of course, that they're not made available to the public. Literally the next day, the same author goes to the same bookstore and gives out even MORE copies of the autographed book, when he assured his fans that these would be the ONLY copies autographed. Not only do you feel betrayed, if you were to sell this book, its value would have decayed exponentially.

 

 

 

RSC players were around to get these items, RSC players deserve them. I can't say that I care about any of the other events or emotes, but I will be damned if someone that has never dealt with RSC gets to wield a Scythe. Call it elitist, call it whatever you like - they didn't wait in line* for the exclusive item.

 

 

*: Used as a metaphor; no one actually "waited in line" for any of these.

 

 

 

I don't like pen marks on my books. Secondly, a bit of ink smeared on my book doesn't make the story any more interesting, or the information any more educational. It just makes my book have a smear of ink on it... which I would return to the bookstore for a copy without ink smeared on it.

And "retool" is not even a word that exists.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retool

 

 

 

Hope this fact doesn't offend you.

And "retool" is not even a word that exists.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retool

 

 

 

Not in computer science. You'll never hear the term "retool" used.

And "retool" is not even a word that exists.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retool

 

 

 

Not in computer science. You'll never hear the term "retool" used.

 

 

 

"retool their scripting language" was the original statement

 

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/piperma ... 00236.html

 

-"I don't think this would so much be a rebuilding of links as a simple

 

retooling -- adding hooks into existing code. "

 

http://blog.reindel.com/2008/12/14/the- ... uld-learn/

 

-"You do not need to retool all of your JavaScript, but you should think twice about how you will structure your Web applications on future projects."

 

 

 

While I'll agree that "retool" is likely without a formal specialized definition in relation to computer science, I fail to see why it cannot be used in context to speak of reorganization.

 

 

 

1) I was merely pointing out that the word existed.

 

2) Never said it had to be a formal term.

So I see the book analogy failed...alright... Do you know what a collectible item is? Do you own collectibles? If you know, have, or understand the concept of this, you'll see simply that we don't care for others to have these collectibles. We didn't have to work hard for them, or anything like that, it really was being in the right place in the right time - but, the point was that we were there, and we got them, and they did not.

 

 

 

Before you reply to that statement, answer the "do you collect stuff" question. I just want to know if you can at least hear where I'm coming from.

I guess the argument boils down to how proud people are. Elitists are always going to remain as they are, and theres really nothing you can do about it, because they're better than you.

 

 

 

and that is literally the argument against elitism, you cant fight it because the opponent is invincible, and unchanging, not in actuality, but in the constructs of their own mind.

 

 

 

I've personally owned party hats, mind you long before they reached their current value, but appreciative value holds true. I cashed out when reds hit 30 mill, which for some reason rings a bell with around the time barrows became somewhat affordable to the average scaper.

 

 

 

Having said that, I wouldnt feel at all betrayed that my little trinket was made available to everyone. I'd be a little muffed about the ordeal if it was done exactly as you say, with no requirements or work needed to obtain these status wielding items.

 

 

 

I like your idea, as i've said before, but the problem isnt what's right, and all the people dragging real world analogies into this are just using unfair examples, because this is A GAME. Really, if those items were made into milestone markers, they'd still be appreciated as a whole, they'd hold status, and people would still strive for them. the only difference is that it would remove a largely broken part of the market place.

 

 

 

Scythes and bunny ears are a different story, I suppose. I've always longed for a scythe, and I dread the fact that we'll probably never see scythes released as actual weaponry (which would be badass), but people who got these, were the lucky few who were there. I have to agree that these should remain rare, as with every holiday comes a new release and new treats for everyone to enjoy, and if you werent there, too bad, you can get next years. this isnt as wrong as you may think, its not elitist, or prejudice, or ... age-ist? its a simple matter that theres something new every year, and Jagex "fudged up" a couple of years and it really made an ugly mark on the game - the rare market.

 

 

 

summary- remove tradeable rares, replace them as milestone markers/ earnable rewards to keep their status. dont worry about the money, it needs to be removed from the game anyway, and the people who have the items can more than likely afford the loss of money, if they have the hats they pretty obviously werent using the money for anything productive. all items that are already untradeable, keep as is, this is already fine, people will continue to get rewards, and seeing as none of the items have an actual use, no one misses out!

 

 

 

....but seriously, I hope they release scythes as weaponry, I might actually un-retire if they do!

And "retool" is not even a word that exists.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retool

 

 

 

Not in computer science. You'll never hear the term "retool" used.

 

 

 

"retool their scripting language" was the original statement

 

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/piperma ... 00236.html

 

-"I don't think this would so much be a rebuilding of links as a simple

 

retooling -- adding hooks into existing code. "

 

http://blog.reindel.com/2008/12/14/the- ... uld-learn/

 

-"You do not need to retool all of your JavaScript, but you should think twice about how you will structure your Web applications on future projects."

 

 

 

While I'll agree that "retool" is likely without a formal specialized definition in relation to computer science, I fail to see why it cannot be used in context to speak of reorganization.

 

 

 

1) I was merely pointing out that the word existed.

 

2) Never said it had to be a formal term.

 

 

 

Fine, you win. But "retool" still sounds silly. :)

 

 

 

So I see the book analogy failed...alright... Do you know what a collectible item is? Do you own collectibles? If you know, have, or understand the concept of this, you'll see simply that we don't care for others to have these collectibles. We didn't have to work hard for them, or anything like that, it really was being in the right place in the right time - but, the point was that we were there, and we got them, and they did not.

 

 

 

Before you reply to that statement, answer the "do you collect stuff" question. I just want to know if you can at least hear where I'm coming from.

 

 

 

I collect costume room items in RuneScape... but most of those items can be earned by anyone who wishes. And all the items in my toy box, I wish everyone else could get as well. I don't think it's fair that they can't get the items but can get the music and emotes. It's a half-assed job on Jagex's part, in my opinion. Either do holiday events correctly, or never do them again (I'd prefer the latter because quite frankly they're nonsense and just create something for us to argue about).

I collect costume room items in RuneScape... but most of those items can be earned by anyone who wishes.

 

 

 

Ever heard the analogy: All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares?

 

 

 

Lots of collectible items can be stored in the costume room, but they are not the only type of collectible.

 

 

 

You suggest alternative methods to display how long you've played to reduce the significance of those exclusive items to make people more willing to the idea of making them tradable/obtainable. I say the people who were around then are entitled to it. You call bunny ear and scythe owners elitist, I say they've earned that bit of "status."

 

 

 

Other than that, I cannot argue with you. You seem as adamant as I in your position, and you won't yield an inch any more than I will.

 

Before you reply to that statement, answer the "do you collect stuff" question. I just want to know if you can at least hear where I'm coming from.

 

 

 

As a collector of Action figures, sports cards and autographs, to me I see a collectible everywhere. However There is a fun paradox, In sports cards their has been for 10 years or more hits in packs called "press plates, masterpieces and 1 of 1s" meaning 1 card exists like it - period. It's a rare hit and generally they cost a lot of money - but they can be bought. However many our bought by collectors and never see resale - making it impossible for collectors to collect "1 of every card" a player has. while this practice was hated years ago - it is now accepted by the community as a way for the collectors to make themselves more distinguished from other collections. Back in 1996/1997 Pinnacle kept extras of these "1 of 1s" for damaged replacements - sometimes 2 or 3 - sometimes 5 or 10. But needless to say, the value plummeted when they went of business and they sold off everything. What was a desirable item, became something that went bidless on ebay - no one really wanted it, the demand was gone and it was tainted. Many collectors were sick - one paid $500 for a guy 2 weeks before pinnacles close and then 3 hit ebay the week after. he won all 3 for $30. In many ways this would happen with the rares and holiday items, true why some people may really want one, most people when they got it, wouldn't ever really use it and in the case of ears and scythes, it means more to the original crowd than the new. Now I am all for rs2 items being re-released as to me, it's a different game than classic and I don't see it being as big of a deal than taking away the two items that prove you played classic, and were in effect, a founding member of the game.

 

 

 

Now personally, A book is worth alot more if it's signed. I proudly have autographs of a few of my favorite authors and would not trade them for the world.

 

 

 

The ears fall on the same concept.

 

 

 

If jagex was willing to compensate classic players with a special item - Ie a black party hat and a set of purple rune armor, I would gladly let those two items become re-attainable. It's not like i've used my scythe in the past two years.

 

 

 

Now on a sidenote, I have two additional comments.

 

 

 

In my C# Class where we have been integrating applications into web pages - my instructor commented to me (this guy does have a doctorate) that I need to retool my If statements.

 

 

 

Also as a night shift manager for a support call center, I suppose I am tainted with the idea of rewarding my loyal customers and giving them breaks and help where I wouldn't to a new customer. People who have played this game for over half of a decade, deserve some breaks too.

 

Before you reply to that statement, answer the "do you collect stuff" question. I just want to know if you can at least hear where I'm coming from.

 

 

 

As a collector of Action figures, sports cards and autographs, to me I see a collectible everywhere. However There is a fun paradox, In sports cards their has been for 10 years or more hits in packs called "press plates, masterpieces and 1 of 1s" meaning 1 card exists like it - period. It's a rare hit and generally they cost a lot of money - but they can be bought. However many our bought by collectors and never see resale - making it impossible for collectors to collect "1 of every card" a player has. while this practice was hated years ago - it is now accepted by the community as a way for the collectors to make themselves more distinguished from other collections. Back in 1996/1997 Pinnacle kept extras of these "1 of 1s" for damaged replacements - sometimes 2 or 3 - sometimes 5 or 10. But needless to say, the value plummeted when they went of business and they sold off everything. What was a desirable item, became something that went bidless on ebay - no one really wanted it, the demand was gone and it was tainted. Many collectors were sick - one paid $500 for a guy 2 weeks before pinnacles close and then 3 hit ebay the week after. he won all 3 for $30. In many ways this would happen with the rares and holiday items, true why some people may really want one, most people when they got it, wouldn't ever really use it and in the case of ears and scythes, it means more to the original crowd than the new. Now I am all for rs2 items being re-released as to me, it's a different game than classic and I don't see it being as big of a deal than taking away the two items that prove you played classic, and were in effect, a founding member of the game.

 

 

 

Now personally, A book is worth alot more if it's signed. I proudly have autographs of a few of my favorite authors and would not trade them for the world.

 

 

 

The ears fall on the same concept.

 

 

 

If jagex was willing to compensate classic players with a special item - Ie a black party hat and a set of purple rune armor, I would gladly let those two items become re-attainable. It's not like i've used my scythe in the past two years.

 

 

 

Now on a sidenote, I have two additional comments.

 

 

 

In my C# Class where we have been integrating applications into web pages - my instructor commented to me (this guy does have a doctorate) that I need to retool my If statements.

 

 

 

Also as a night shift manager for a support call center, I suppose I am tainted with the idea of rewarding my loyal customers and giving them breaks and help where I wouldn't to a new customer. People who have played this game for over half of a decade, deserve some breaks too.

 

 

 

Ah, C#. What is your level of competency? Do you know other languages and what experience do you have in computer science?

 

 

 

To keep this on topic I'll just say that you and I, as RSC players, deserve nothing extra.

So I see the book analogy failed...alright... Do you know what a collectible item is? Do you own collectibles? If you know, have, or understand the concept of this, you'll see simply that we don't care for others to have these collectibles. We didn't have to work hard for them, or anything like that, it really was being in the right place in the right time - but, the point was that we were there, and we got them, and they did not.

 

 

 

Before you reply to that statement, answer the "do you collect stuff" question. I just want to know if you can at least hear where I'm coming from.

 

 

 

I collect costume room items in RuneScape... but most of those items can be earned by anyone who wishes. And all the items in my toy box, I wish everyone else could get as well. I don't think it's fair that they can't get the items but can get the music and emotes. It's a half-assed job on Jagex's part, in my opinion. Either do holiday events correctly, or never do them again (I'd prefer the latter because quite frankly they're nonsense and just create something for us to argue about).

 

No, that's not what I mean at all. Das does a great job with explaining what I mean, as I've collected many types of cards (baseball, football, Pokemon, MTG, etc), and other classic things (NES, N64, Game Gear, Dreamcast, etc), which, while available in abundance at their time of inception, can no longer be found with the exception of niche collectors. This is the story of rares, including Bunny Ears and the Scythe.

 

 

 

 

To keep this on topic I'll just say that you and I, as RSC players, deserve nothing extra.

 

 

 

What's wrong with acknowledging, in some small way, that we once played the precursor to EVERYTHING that RuneScape has become? What's wrong with proving that we were a part of the beginning of this game? What's wrong with denying the newbies access to that? [Yeah, that should be obvious.] It's not an elitist attitude; it's more of a 'we were here first, and we'd like to prove it to you' ideology. Party Hats, Masks, Santa hats, and all of the other tradeable rares do not prove that. Emotes mean nothing; those should always be open to all players. Any item after the Yo-Yo can go to most any RS2 player, since it was a part of that game, but I do not want some level 3 taking the Scythe, like it's their right to have it.

 

 

 

@Das: If you have access to the RSC forums, there's a suggestion floating around there about introducing a special something for RSC players in RS2. If that idea comes to fruition, then I'll agree that everyone can have their Scythe/Bunny Ears, so long as the RSC players get the RSC cape/whatever.

Nacho Kword whatever

 

I still don't understand what's so wrong with rares. Why are they broken?

I dont think the tradeable rares should have a change there nice for people with the money i still look forward to owning a blue one again and its something for me to work towards.

 

 

 

But equaly i would like a [Caution: Jagex Rule Violation] and bunny ears but as they wearnt tradeable anyways it would be ncie for people to reeceive them on the next halloween event or w/e abit like the emotes.

Nacho-halo!

 

 

 

A fine solution, I would have no problem with it. Phats are dinosaurs - a leftover form the past.

You know why I like this game? Because some things AREN'T obtained by hard work and dedication. Some things just happen to you when you're in the right place at the right time. That's the exciting part about the game. The lucky-based drop system, the lucky-based drop parties, ...

 

Not everything should be able to be achieved by everyone. Some things should be made exclusive, that's what makes the game special. As soon as this game becomes some communistic "everyone deserves a 99 skill and bunny ears", I'm quitting.

Nacho or what ever

 

 

 

WHy the bloody hell should rares be removed?

 

 

 

They give something that us maxed players aim to buy (i have every godwars set so cant buy more) just because the new players cant afford one doesnt mean that they should be deleted.

nachalo

 

 

 

It's a good idea and seems well thought out but I don't support it at all. Partyhats are something to invest your wealth into and will only rise over time. My immediate reaction to your

 

syggestion was no and I'm going to stick with it even though I can't think of a backing for it at the moment. It's a good idea but I just can't agree that everyone should get all previous rares because it's like making some idealistic place where everything is equal everyone has the same chance at something which I feel is just wrong. Also alot of people's goal at those uselss paper hats and it would realy kill it. I mean the most expensive easily buyable item is the ags which is less than the purple p hat. Good idea but this realy does not serve as much good as taking out RWT and it would introduce massive amounts of cash into the game which might turn out badly.

 

 

 

konets

nachalo

 

 

 

The thing about holiday items is people mostly want them precisely because not everyone can have them. People wear them to make a statement on how rich they are or how long they've been around (depending on if you're talking tradable or not.)

 

 

 

Joe Newb probably mostly wants the old holiday items precisely because he can't get them. (I'd guess he's probably rather spoilt and used to getting whatever he wants)

 

If everyone could easily get old holiday items, they just wouldn't be exciting, he'd probably lose interest and end up not even keeping the items - hence long term, his gaming experience wouldn't be enhanced at all.

 

 

 

On the other hand the change would permanently take away from all the people who had already got the holiday items already. Suddenly they wouldn't have a cool unusual item any more.

 

 

 

For me your suggestion isn't comparable to the wilderness trade limit changes because I don't actually see what the long term upside with your suggestion is.

 

You need quite a lot of upside if you're going to change the game in a way which will upset a lot of people.

 

 

 

konets

 

To keep this on topic I'll just say that you and I, as RSC players, deserve nothing extra.

 

 

 

That is your opinion, however, because you found nothing special nor significant in RSC. To those who have, however, it holds a special place in their heart. Whether this be nostalgia of better times, of simpler systems, or even just a more difficult game, you can't cheapen this feeling with just a cold statement. This is where some of the vehemence comes from.

In response to questions on an economic impact, if you turned party hats into money.

 

 

 

Well right now I have party hats. I'm not keeping them for the investment. (they're not going up in price) and keeping them because it's cool to have party hats that I got because I was there in Christmas 2001.

 

Therefore my party hat currently has zero impact on the economy.

 

I'm sure that there are many many party hats being kept by people who weren't planning to sell them for various reasons.

 

 

 

If they suddenly got converted into coins though, well suddenly I'd have 100s of millions of extra coins to spend - might as well spend them.

 

At that point I'd have lots of economic impact. Whether that's a good thing or not I dunno, but I'd most certainly have an impact.

There are so many flaws with this idea.

 

 

 

You say that players should all get the same items and get the same opportunity to get them every year. You claim that the purpose behind releasing these items is to have fun.

 

 

 

That's only somewhat true.

 

 

 

All holiday items have a very simple purpose, and that is to show others exactly how long youve been playing. If you've got an Easter item from 2005, that shows that you've been playing since at least then. With rares, there is a similar purpose: It shows others how rich and wealthy you are. Yes, there is nothing "functional" about party hats. But then again, party hats are not about functionality. They are about showing off.

 

 

 

Turning items into coins? As one of the posters above me said, the economic impact of that would be huge. There would be a huge surplus of gold in the economy with nothing to spend it on. Everything would go down in price, or up, and then sideways as the whole economy of RS is thrown belly up.

 

 

 

And my final point: You say that all of this should happen right away, just like what happened with the wilderness. Similarly, people will get over the loss of party hats and other rares. I don't think so. When Jagex got rid of the wilderness, the compensated by releasing Bounty Hunter, Duel Arena for F2P, and Summoning a month later. Then they RE-INTRODUCED PvP. If Jagex were to get rid of rares, they would need to compensate somehow. Obviously not by changing items into gold, for reasons stated above. Then what?

 

 

 

And no, I am not writing nachalo in the top of my post! ;)

This will never balance the economy. If rares were deleted and everyone was compensated with gold, then a massive inflation would occur. How do you know that somebody does not have 20 Christmas Crackers? Will they be compensated with 15 Billion? This was Jagex's mistake, and the game has to deal with it. Unsellable or "useless" rares such as disk should not be compensated with Grand Exchange Price. This theory of yours will never exist. We cannot not add more money into the game, or 3rd Age items will become 1 Billion apiece.

nachalo

 

 

 

And i believe its a terrible idea, sorry. Partyhats and other rares are something people work hard for, who cares if their useful? They're the only thing that can truely show your wealth, regardless of your level. Plus, simply giving people money for it would cause massive amounts of inflation

 

 

 

konets

Nacho or what ever

 

 

 

WHy the bloody hell should rares be removed?

 

 

 

They give something that us maxed players aim to buy (i have every godwars set so cant buy more) just because the new players cant afford one doesnt mean that they should be deleted.

 

 

 

I'm not saying they should be removed because new players can't afford them, I'm saying they should be removed because they aren't supposed to BE selling for such inflated prices. If you've read my posts in this topic you'll see that I've stated numerous times that I think everyone should be able to achieve the same thing through dedication and hard work. Key words: equal opportunity.

The thing about holiday items is people mostly want them precisely because not everyone can have them. People wear them to make a statement on how rich they are or how long they've been around (depending on if you're talking tradable or not.)

 

Players want holiday items precisely because not everyone can have them - and that's precisely what Jagex never wanted. Also, with the introduction of item lending, rares no longer are a status of wealth.

 

 

 

Now while I agree that Jard's ideas on how to 'fix' this are rather silly, I feel that something does need to be done about discontinued tradable items.