Jagex being Ignorant? RWT Related

[Dork]

Wish they would take as much effort to update spirit shields and 3rd age so we could finally buy them.

 

Very true. Harpoons and Raw Bird Meat were higher than store price because people need them in bulk for summoning (both familiars made by these products are very useful for lower level summoners). If Jagex took away the need for junk trading by actually making the GE match "street prices", the *real* junk items wouldn't be worth anymore than their store price in the first place. Basically, instead of fixing the problem they've attemted to fix the product of the problem which, obviously, is just causing more problems.

 

I've rarely seen items like these used in a rwt transaction.

 

Harpoons and bird meat, especially, weren't used for RWT. They sold legitemately for those prices in bulk anyway. :P

[Jard_Y_Dooku]

ask for bailout money from obama

 

 

 

Despite your high post count, which generally seems to indicate quality, it has become apparent to me that a few of your recent posts were fairly spam-like.

 

 

 

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OT: I have no idea what to say, because I didn't understand your post, Hal. ;) It's too late now so I'll ask you on Skype tomorrow for a more detailed explanation.

[r4ngewarlord]

raw bird meats used for terror birds damn usefull. id buy em 200ea any day.

[shivers21]

TBH jagex needs to make a gold shop ingame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that would stop all of this and make them more $.

[Mercifull]

TBH jagex needs to make a gold shop ingame.

 

 

 

that would stop all of this and make them more $.

 

The RWT companies would just lower their own prices to compete. Jagex couldnt then made the gold available super cheap or else people would buy gold all the time really inflating items and crippling the economy.

 

 

 

I can understand why Jagex has done this. This must have been used by some RWTers for them to do it as it doesnt make sense otherwise. But no real players really could have been making serious money off those items.

 

 

 

The trade limit for a maxed person is 60k, so lets buy 12,000 harpoons (at 5gp). You can still do it in a trade with a player and give them the full 60k gp again for their time and buy 12,000 harpoons for 10gp each (double the ge).

 

 

 

But who in their right mind as a genuine player would buy that many harpoons for Ibis? At the most you only need a few hundred before you level up to do something better for exp or usage (granite lobster).

 

 

 

People must have been abusing those items for Jagex to change it. As for the bird meats... I always bought my own anyway only took a few minutes to get several hundred.

[ford_landau]

Lowering the price of bird meat is just taking it too far. I have 3k gold's i wanna make terro birds into, i really dont wanna waste my time buying 3k birdmeat..yuck

[Mercifull]

Lowering the price of bird meat is just taking it too far. I have 3k gold's i wanna make terro birds into, i really dont wanna waste my time buying 3k birdmeat..yuck

 

Summoning wasn't meant to be easy.

[Omali]

TBH jagex needs to make a gold shop ingame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that would stop all of this and make them more $.

 

 

 

Because when someone keeps trying to set fire to your house, the best course of action is just to burn it down yourself.

[chazzycaz]

Omfg Jagex! Well if anyone hasnt read my guide, relax in the knowledge that you arent missing anything, as it is now officially ruined. I had a theory that a mod was going around nerfing all of the prices in my guide, but now I think its confirmed. :evil:

 

 

 

I cant believe that they would alter the market so drastically, without considering the implications on other people. RWT can [bleep] off, its fine at the minimum it is currently at. The only people losing out from this update are hard working, fair players of the community.

[Mercifull]

its fine at the minimum it is currently at.

I wasn't aware that you worked at Jagex

[Bauke]

its fine at the minimum it is currently at.

I wasn't aware that you worked at Jagex

 

Don't you know? Players have much more insights in the ways of which Jagex deals with RWT, compared to Jagex themselves. At least, that's what some people like to think.

[chazzycaz]

its fine at the minimum it is currently at.

I wasn't aware that you worked at Jagex

 

 

 

Well the way I see it, most routes of RWT have already been closed off. BH is left as the last place that allows completely free transfer of items, and that is currently closed for fixing too.

 

Andrew has already advocated Junk Trading in a previous post, as it is a way to get fair prices. I can see Jagex' reasoning, to limit the possibilities of transferring gold, but buying harpoons and bird meat to resell was a reasonable way of making money for hardworking people.

 

 

 

People may argue that its easy to make macros which buy at shops, but then again its easy to make a macro to do any grinding work for money! Purchasing a members account to buy meat which will probably get banned from their anti-macro systems before they make enough even to be worth £10, does not seem logical to me. Not to mention that most RWTers use f2p accounts to farm gold, and this update has only affected members.

 

 

 

You are right though, how am I meant to know how much RWTing is going on behind the scenes, but im sure Jagex would be able to catch them with their self-glorified anti-cheat systems, without effecting the natural flow of the GE. Effort to obtain = Extra Gp on the price tag.

 

 

 

Finally, Jagex' biggest problem with RWTers is that they are using stolen credit cards to pay for membership. I dont see how their action today has helped to solve this problem, as a stolen members account still has thousands of options for making money.

 

 

 

P.S. Theres a rumour that Jagex may be making a "Buy noted" option from shops, and this change is to make sure nobody can take advantage of the market. This has no evidence however.

[Myweponsg00d]

Raw birds shouldn't have ever been added to a store to begin with. Whats next? Sell big bones in a store? :roll:

[brunokiller]

Wish they would take as much effort to update spirit shields and 3rd age so we could finally buy them.

 

Very true. Harpoons and Raw Bird Meat were higher than store price because people need them in bulk for summoning (both familiars made by these products are very useful for lower level summoners). If Jagex took away the need for junk trading by actually making the GE match "street prices", the *real* junk items wouldn't be worth anymore than their store price in the first place. Basically, instead of fixing the problem they've attemted to fix the product of the problem which, obviously, is just causing more problems.

 

I've rarely seen items like these used in a rwt transaction.

 

Harpoons and bird meat, especially, weren't used for RWT. They sold legitemately for those prices in bulk anyway. :P

 

Don't forget wolpertingers :P

[compfreak847]

 

Why are we arguing over whether this thread is the same as another one? :roll:

 

Because it should be locked as a duplicate.

 

 

 

So then lock it Mr Mod.

 

...oh right.

 

Reported for rules 1.2 and 1.5, thanks to the amazing report button regular users can find rule infractions as well as moderators.

 

 

 

 

Raw birds shouldn't have ever been added to a store to begin with. Whats next? Sell big bones in a store? :roll:

 

The price would be ruined if they were removed. They are too hard to obtain and too commonly used.

[Myweponsg00d]

 

 

Raw birds shouldn't have ever been added to a store to begin with. Whats next? Sell big bones in a store? :roll:

 

The price would be ruined if they were removed. They are too hard to obtain and too commonly used.

 

 

 

So are big bones. The STORE is what ruins the price of thing. i.e. the reason that chompies were removed from the store. If there is a gameplay problem with the rate at which raw birds can be gathered, then adjust the mechanics of bird catching (who knows....make like...a pouch to store more raw birds in? make a bank closer to the hunting areas? make a bird depositing device?) But the solution shouldn't really be to just throw them in a store, thus defeating the purpose of a branch of the hunter skill....

 

 

 

For an exact example of how birds should be handled, look at the granite mining. Did Jagex throw granite chunks in some store? No. They updated it so that it would be easier to bank large ammounts of sellable granite.

[Danqazmlp]

Tis is one of the few updates by jagex i disagree with, they were good ways to make money for some people, and commonly used for summining which gave them their price.

 

 

 

I wonder if they will be able to rise back up in price though?

[compfreak847]

 

So are big bones. The STORE is what ruins the price of thing. i.e. the reason that chompies were removed from the store. If there is a gameplay problem with the rate at which raw birds can be gathered, then adjust the mechanics of bird catching (who knows....make like...a pouch to store more raw birds in? make a bank closer to the hunting areas? make a bird depositing device?) But the solution shouldn't really be to just throw them in a store, thus defeating the purpose of a branch of the hunter skill....

 

 

 

For an exact example of how birds should be handled, look at the granite mining. Did Jagex throw granite chunks in some store? No. They updated it so that it would be easier to bank large ammounts of sellable granite.

 

Bones are a secondary item that are dropped as a side result of farming a monster; aside from green dragons, bones are not the goal of killing monsters.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

I'm just fascinated with Jagex's raw food plummeting strategy tbh...I just don't see it everyday...

 

 

 

Really what a way to evaporate entrepreneur earnings...

[compfreak847]

I'm just fascinated with Jagex's raw food plummeting strategy tbh...I just don't see it everyday...

 

 

 

Really what a way to evaporate entrepreneur earnings...

 

Actually, it's given a shot in the arm to the market value. We now have an opulent table situation, I wish I had a few thousand myself.

[pulli23]

I'm just fascinated with Jagex's raw food plummeting strategy tbh...I just don't see it everyday...

 

 

 

Really what a way to evaporate entrepreneur earnings...

 

Actually, it's given a shot in the arm to the market value. We now have an opulent table situation, I wish I had a few thousand myself.

 

Sorrie, but that's just stupid...

 

 

 

You know, you had to buy them earlier: so you would've "spent" money to get them.. (or actually spent potentional money).

 

Now they're worth more than the ge price (But only potentialy): but they won't ever be worth much more than the original price. - Probably a little bit indeed (since less people now collect bird meats), but nothing too much...

 

 

 

SO in the end you just spent real money into potentional money, and a bad potential money source (a source you can't 1 to 1 exchange for real money).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But beside that point, can't anyone ever think about any reason that could've been good? Really, this is embarassing, the only reasons to justify this are "jagex says so, jagex is almighty god who I worship, so it must be good."

 

Sorry I don't believe in gods.......

[Myweponsg00d]

 

So are big bones. The STORE is what ruins the price of thing. i.e. the reason that chompies were removed from the store. If there is a gameplay problem with the rate at which raw birds can be gathered, then adjust the mechanics of bird catching (who knows....make like...a pouch to store more raw birds in? make a bank closer to the hunting areas? make a bird depositing device?) But the solution shouldn't really be to just throw them in a store, thus defeating the purpose of a branch of the hunter skill....

 

 

 

For an exact example of how birds should be handled, look at the granite mining. Did Jagex throw granite chunks in some store? No. They updated it so that it would be easier to bank large ammounts of sellable granite.

 

Bones are a secondary item that are dropped as a side result of farming a monster; aside from green dragons, bones are not the goal of killing monsters.

 

 

 

So thank you for reinforcing my argument? The only reason hunter birds existed was as the main goal of going there: to get bird meat. Now they are completely useless. You think that a "side effect" item shouldn't be sold in the store, but a "main goal" item should? So according to your analogy, selling bird meat in the store is similar to selling dragon bones in the store. Dragons are killed for dragon bones, birds should be trapped for their meat. It is the one main benefit from trapping birds (slower exp, more inconvenient as of right now) and now there is no reason to trap a hunter bird except if your level isn't high enough to gain exp any other way...

 

 

 

Next time you say something, explain how it is supposed to support your argument, because what you said doesn't really seem to correspond to any reasons you've given for bird meat being in stores.

[compfreak847]

 

Sorrie, but that's just stupid...

 

That was an ironic intentional 'mistake', right?

 

Do you merchant much? If you do, you'd realize that potential worth can be FAR more then previous values; opulent tables soared to 35 times their 'actual value' when this happened to them. Despite the fact that they were obtainable for 1m, they were selling for over 3.5. All items like this are kicked into high demand because of it.

[Myweponsg00d]

 

Sorrie, but that's just stupid...

 

That was an ironic intentional 'mistake', right?

 

Do you merchant much? If you do, you'd realize that potential worth can be FAR more then previous values; opulent tables soared to 35 times their 'actual value' when this happened to them. Despite the fact that they were obtainable for 1m, they were selling for over 3.5. All items like this are kicked into high demand because of it.

 

 

 

So are you thinking that these are now going to be traded in mass quantities as undervalued items? Example: "40k birds for a 3a range top!" or something along these lines...

[compfreak847]

Yup, exactly what happened with pies and opulent tables. If the GE price is far, far below the actual worth, it becomes a merchanting item and the value skyrockets. Since tables and pies have recently been rebalanced, for all we know this could be Jagex fixing the problem in their own way. And it seems to be working quite well, despite the occasional whinings of people who don't understand.