Honestly, what is your IQ? Or do you have trouble understanding simple sentences?

 

 

 

Let me put it in a VERY VERY basic way. If you can't understand this, get the hell out of here and stop wasting my time.

 

 

 

1. People RWT. RWTers use stolen credit cards to pay for members' accounts.

 

2. Banks threaten to sue Jagex and prevent customers for using credit cards to pay membership fees.

 

3. Jagex HAS to remove all possible ways to RWT to stop this problem.

 

 

 

Who FORCED Jagex to do all this? The players who RWTed.

 

 

 

So? Basic enough for you?

 

 

 

If you can't understand this I really facepalm.

 

 

 

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Jagex being careless/stupid? That's totally absurd.

 

 

 

Would you have time to think out a well-thought plan with banks threatening to sue you and preventing people from paying you? You'd have to take immediate action.

 

 

 

And who caused the problem in the first place? Lazy players who can't be bothered to earn their own money in RuneScape. People who are so addicted to an online game they pay for extra benefits in a virtual world.

 

 

Please - think before you start spouting nonsense. It'll just cause people to laugh at you.

 

 

Apparently, not All Is Great 8-)

 

 

 

HAHA! Omali has nothing on me!

 

 

 

:thumbup: +1

 

 

 

Honestly, his arguments are incoherent, not well-thought out, absurdly stupid and ridiculous.

 

 

 

Let's set this straight. From my understanding, MOST RWT'ers were f2p, hence the abundance of lvl 3s cutting yews between Lumbridge and Falador and also the lvl 3s fishing lobsters on karamja. The only P2P macros were the green drag/flax picking ones. So, not every RWT used STOLEN credit cards to pay for membership. MOST of them were FREE goldfarmers in poor countries like China. The RWT "companies" pay negligible amounts of money to mass of people for them to create accounts and collect resources, but some also use bots who do the work for them, then they collect all the money made and sell it to other players. NO STOLEN CREDIT CARDS WERE USED. As for P2P goldfarmers, some credit cards might be stolen, but they make more gp/hour so i guess they'd make more money irl even if they used legit credit cards.

 

 

 

BOLDED PART:

 

Honestly, the macro problem has been a long time going in RuneScape, and I would've thought Jagex decided to deal with it long before Dec 2007, so why couldn't they come up with a better change? They are a LARGE company, this isn't RSC we're talking about, this is a true MMORPG and I truly believe Jagex should've put more thought into such a drastic change. Yes, I know the players caused the problem, but what does that have to do with anything? Does that mean Jagex should be so careless as to harming such a large amount of innocent players? I don't think so.

 

 

 

ITALICISED:

 

I don't care if people laugh at me. This is a forum, and I don't even know you. So do I give a crap about what you or other people might be laughing at me behind you computer screen? No. Hell, I don't even care if people irl laugh at me, they don't even know me, neither do you. Also, why are you accusing me of low IQ? That's quite off topic.

 

 

 

UNDERLINED:

 

Calling my post incoherent, not well thought out, absurdly stupid and rediculous, while your own post has no points as far as I can see. All you say is

 

 

 

Who FORCED Jagex to do all this? The players who RWTed.

 

And who caused the problem in the first place? Lazy players who can't be bothered to earn their own money in RuneScape. People who are so addicted to an online game they pay for extra benefits in a virtual world.

 

 

 

which has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. All you do is call me stupid :lol: :roll:

 

PS: I just "laughed" at you, I hope that doesn't make you feel bad or anything :cry:

@ Allisgreat

 

 

 

Could you clear this up for me...

 

 

 

Are you ranting about Jagex taking their sweet time fixing the whole mess (RWT ---> changing of the wild + trade limits --- 1 year later PVP implemented) or are you suggesting that they haven't fixed it yet?

 

 

 

I would agree with you on the first point, but definitely disagree with you on the second. I believe RS is better off nowadays without goldfarmers and bots to battle at green and blue dragons, fishing guild and magic trees. I killed 2K blue dragons at one point in 2007 battling with gold farmers along the way, hopping to find suitable worlds and ending half killing the ones I could to scare away the Gfarmers away.

@ Allisgreat

 

 

 

Could you clear this up for me...

 

 

 

Are you ranting about Jagex taking their sweet time fixing the whole mess (RWT ---> changing of the wild + trade limits --- 1 year later PVP implemented) or are you suggesting that they haven't fixed it yet?

 

 

 

I would agree with you on the first point, but definitely disagree with you on the second. I believe RS is better off nowadays without goldfarmers and bots to battle at green and blue dragons, fishing guild and magic trees. I killed 2K blue dragons at one point in 2007 battling with gold farmers along the way, hopping to find suitable worlds and ending half killing the ones I could to scare away the Gfarmers away.

 

 

 

My point is that Jagex should've taken MORE time BEFORE the whole Dec 07 update, than hastily changing everything then TRYING to fix it bit by bit later on. And to an extent, they still haven't fixxed the pvp system (26k/76k'ing, kind of self explanetory). Also, I don't agree it was the players who caused everything, there were PLENTY of legit players. And what did they get in the end? BH, I feel that because Jagex was hasty, too many (more than nessecary) innocent players were punished.

 

 

 

I clearly remember training my pure until level 47 with 60 hp just a couple days before the update. Then I couldn't play for a few days due to school, and when I log on, BAM! BH shoved in my face. So I thought, sure, why not give this a try, sounds fun. But what waited for me near my target was a HUGE clan of 15+ people, level 53+, so I thought, maybe 1 defence isn't that good. Got on my main (this account) and got chased by 20 mages in the med crater. Get what I'm saying?

 

 

 

So some people might say, well, just join a clan then. Fact is, I prefer solo, like back in edge level 1-3, 1v1 fair and square. Jagex didn't even leave us a choice(another point which proves Jagex did not think this through). They change BH to "single" - and those quotes are very important - combat several months later, and by then damage has been done, and they are still trying to fix the system until this day.

Well it was caused by players, just not every player.

 

 

 

I said it many times, it looks like Jagex was urged to make these changes, when you have major credit cards company saying "get your game straight or else we stop doing business with you", you have to react quickly. The thing about 26k/76k is still not that self explanatory. It's not perfect, but in my opinion, it's getting there. You have the option to pk, but you have to earn your kill first and you have the option to skill to get your earnings later. The sitters/EP earners are the real problem in my opinion and once you stop gaining EP when not gaining xp, that will certainly make it slightly better.

 

 

 

We get that Jagex made hasty updates in december 2007, can we get over it someday?

 

You can pk in edge lvl 1-3 nowadays without having to be in a clan. I'll be there to watch your fights while gaining EP through bolt enchanting with my magic brawlers.

26k/76k = mass amounts of cash flowing into the economy, those new artifacts like zaros statuette I think is worth 5m a piece, and is easily obtained through tricking with max EP. And I'm very happy that Jagex is finally coming around to fixxing things in a better way (ie. making afk bolters attackable), and I am very much over the Dec 07 updates.

 

 

 

I was just voicing my opinion on those events, since that's what this topic is about, and this topic's creater has posted several topics before this related to Dec 07, so I thought I'd say something. I rambled on alot trying to get my point across to him when Quelmotz decided to call me a [developmentally delayed] for no reason :roll: .

So far I've gotten 3 zaros statuette from about 100 hours of PVP (EP gathering and kills). I wouldn't call this easy, as I could have generated more GP through green dragon hunting. Inflation is bound to happen in this game as at least 25% of skills are creating GP.

 

 

 

Sure it wasn't perfect on release but this is getting there.

Not just Zaros, that was just an example, but yes, it is definately getting there. :

Ahhhh finally on agreement!!!

 

 

 

Been nice debating back and forth with you.

Ah..The good old days of RS. Must say I miss it from time to time.

Honestly, what is your IQ? Or do you have trouble understanding simple sentences?

 

 

 

Let me put it in a VERY VERY basic way. If you can't understand this, get the hell out of here and stop wasting my time.

 

 

 

1. People RWT. RWTers use stolen credit cards to pay for members' accounts.

 

2. Banks threaten to sue Jagex and prevent customers for using credit cards to pay membership fees.

 

3. Jagex HAS to remove all possible ways to RWT to stop this problem.

 

 

 

Who FORCED Jagex to do all this? The players who RWTed.

 

 

 

So? Basic enough for you?

 

 

 

If you can't understand this I really facepalm.

 

 

 

---------------------------

 

 

 

Jagex being careless/stupid? That's totally absurd.

 

 

 

Would you have time to think out a well-thought plan with banks threatening to sue you and preventing people from paying you? You'd have to take immediate action.

 

 

 

And who caused the problem in the first place? Lazy players who can't be bothered to earn their own money in RuneScape. People who are so addicted to an online game they pay for extra benefits in a virtual world.

 

 

Please - think before you start spouting nonsense. It'll just cause people to laugh at you.

 

 

Apparently, not All Is Great 8-)

 

 

 

HAHA! Omali has nothing on me!

 

 

 

:thumbup: +1

 

 

 

Honestly, his arguments are incoherent, not well-thought out, absurdly stupid and ridiculous.

 

 

 

Let's set this straight. From my understanding, MOST RWT'ers were f2p, hence the abundance of lvl 3s cutting yews between Lumbridge and Falador and also the lvl 3s fishing lobsters on karamja. The only P2P macros were the green drag/flax picking ones. So, not every RWT used STOLEN credit cards to pay for membership. MOST of them were FREE goldfarmers in poor countries like China. The RWT "companies" pay negligible amounts of money to mass of people for them to create accounts and collect resources, but some also use bots who do the work for them, then they collect all the money made and sell it to other players. NO STOLEN CREDIT CARDS WERE USED. As for P2P goldfarmers, some credit cards might be stolen, but they make more gp/hour so i guess they'd make more money irl even if they used legit credit cards.

 

 

 

BOLDED PART:

 

Honestly, the macro problem has been a long time going in RuneScape, and I would've thought Jagex decided to deal with it long before Dec 2007, so why couldn't they come up with a better change? They are a LARGE company, this isn't RSC we're talking about, this is a true MMORPG and I truly believe Jagex should've put more thought into such a drastic change. Yes, I know the players caused the problem, but what does that have to do with anything? Does that mean Jagex should be so careless as to harming such a large amount of innocent players? I don't think so.

 

 

 

ITALICISED:

 

I don't care if people laugh at me. This is a forum, and I don't even know you. So do I give a crap about what you or other people might be laughing at me behind you computer screen? No. Hell, I don't even care if people irl laugh at me, they don't even know me, neither do you. Also, why are you accusing me of low IQ? That's quite off topic.

 

 

 

UNDERLINED:

 

Calling my post incoherent, not well thought out, absurdly stupid and rediculous, while your own post has no points as far as I can see. All you say is

 

 

 

Who FORCED Jagex to do all this? The players who RWTed.

 

And who caused the problem in the first place? Lazy players who can't be bothered to earn their own money in RuneScape. People who are so addicted to an online game they pay for extra benefits in a virtual world.

 

 

 

which has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. All you do is call me stupid :lol: :roll:

 

PS: I just "laughed" at you, I hope that doesn't make you feel bad or anything :cry:

 

 

 

First: Go and read this freaking article before spouting nonsense.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/view.ws?guid=diary06

 

Paragraphs 5 & 6 are just about all you need to read.

 

 

 

Honestly, I can't believe your ignorance.

 

 

 

Apparently MOST of the RWT bots are f2p, but not all. You admitted it yourself.

 

And anyway, the percentage/amount of p2p RWT bots doesn't matter, as long as there ARE p2p bots. Why? Banks will still sue Jagex. They would still ban their customers from using their credit cards to pay Jagex. Which would affect business.

 

 

 

And also, it affects gameplay. Would you like to be woodcutting at a place swarming full of bots? No.

 

 

 

And apparently "no stolen credit cards were used" even though banks were suing Jagex for it and threatening to ban their customers from paying Jagex with their credit cards? And there were still quite some p2p bots?

 

 

 

How the [bleep] does removing a "minigame" and restricting their players from trading freely (many games have this feature too) "HARM" a large group of innocent players?

 

 

 

Its a game. Get over it. The wilderness has been replaced with so many other minigames since its removal. Jagex has already been spending too much time on PvP complainers and whiners, and ending up neglecting the larger part of its players.

 

 

 

And yeah, it doesn't matter what I think of you. Quite obvious? Its the internet. I can say anything I want - you can ignore it if you want.

 

 

 

And apparently my post is "stupid and ridiculous" even though you can't be bothered to read a few paragraphs in an article that will rip apart all your so-called "arguments"?

 

 

 

And its a fact. The players shape the game.

 

The players chose to buy gold with real-life money.

 

They caused the RWT market to prosper.

 

The RWTers use stolen credit cards to pay for membership fees.

 

Banks threaten to sue Jagex.

 

What does Jagex do? Wait half a year to think out a plan? And get sued? Fat chance.

 

 

 

The botting situation was not serious in years prior to 2007, but in 2007 the number of bots increased greatly.

 

 

 

And please, stop wasting my time with rubbishy crap that has no evidence to back it up. I've provided you with a lot of evidence, so stop spouting nonsensical arguments.

There were other solutions.

 

 

 

Removing credit card payment for one.

 

 

 

And/or improving anti-bot detection.

There were other solutions.

 

 

 

Removing credit card payment for one.

 

 

 

And/or improving anti-bot detection.

 

 

 

Removing credit card payment would be a bad business decision.

 

 

 

It seems that Jagew are continuously improving their bot detection system, but the botters always seem to find new ways.

 

The goldfarmers issue would not have been solved though.

Unless there were those runescape cards in most countries, in which removing credit card payment really wouldn't affect anyone.

Indeed, for now though, credit cards are the easiest and fastest way to get members.

Yea i know its not a viable solution.

 

 

 

I'm just sick of people saying it was the only way out. When there are/were clearly other options.

nostalgia is such a [bleep] lol

 

 

 

remembering these days brings a tear to my eye

 

I myself fell for a lure back in the day but i was mature enough to get over it and work back up from what i had lost

 

 

 

I guess all I can see now is to pull back into the tight communities we have left and hold, and pray the masses dont follow us.

Ah..The good old days of RS. Must say I miss it from time to time.

 

 

 

Ah the good ol' days of Runescape, where most of the annoying idiots were too busy breaking the rules to complain on a forum.

 

Seriously though, I think the Jagex hate is fueled by a sadness that the wild is gone. I don't think people are complaining because they hate the update, I think they are complaining to keep the Jagex hate alive. Because never have I seen so many people complain about every little thing. Since when did Roger Ebert join Tip.It?

 

Seriosuly though to the people who believe that 2004 and such were the good ol' days: That's basically like old people saying "I remember the good ol days."

 

Yeah, the day where you were fighting in WWII and watching your best friends die around you? The cold war, where you were scared for your lives every day because nuclear missiles were pointed all over the world?" "Yeah, those good ol' days."

 

 

 

Seriously, just because a game changes, does that mean it blows? That's like saying Red Faction Guerilla blows because it has a third person perspective and is different from it's predecessors. Runescape changed to help people just starting who couldn't figure out what to do. They got rid of the wild for obvious reasons. Every thing Jagex does is bad, sucks, and makes them idiots so why continue to remenisce about the good ol' days? Why continue to live in those times? Move on, seriously. This is 2009. Not 2004. Pull yourself to the present and quit whining. Runescape will continue to change for the rest of the time it is around.

 

 

 

Sometimes, I think Jagex continues to do a lot of little updates because it gives people who don't give a damn something to laugh about when people complain that the little update destroyed the game.

Ratchet, you are too bitter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah the good ol' days of Runescape, where most of the annoying idiots were too busy breaking the rules to complain on a forum.

 

 

 

There were less rants because the game wasn't broken. I didn't see that many people break rules, and the one's who tried to scam were laughed at. I knew no one that RWT.

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think the Jagex hate is fueled by a sadness that the wild is gone. I don't think people are complaining because they hate the update, I think they are complaining to keep the Jagex hate alive. Because never have I seen so many people complain about every little thing.

 

 

 

You are being paranoid. No one is ranting because they hate jagex. I dislike their current updates and tweaks that have glitches or make the game too easy.

 

 

 

 

 

Since when did Roger Ebert join Tip.It?

 

Seriosuly though to the people who believe that 2004 and such were the good ol' days: That's basically like old people saying "I remember the good ol days."

 

Yeah, the day where you were fighting in WWII and watching your best friends die around you? The cold war, where you were scared for your lives every day because nuclear missiles were pointed all over the world?" "Yeah, those good ol' days."

 

 

 

Seriously, just because a game changes, does that mean it blows? That's like saying Red Faction Guerilla blows because it has a third person perspective and is different from it's predecessors.

 

 

 

Yes, people always say the old days were good days. It's an OPINION one that you clearly do not share.

 

 

 

Runescape changed to help people just starting who couldn't figure out what to do.

 

 

 

Yes there was a huge need for a woodcut tutor.

 

 

 

 

 

They got rid of the wild for obvious reasons.

 

 

 

If you even read the last few posts, this course of action wasn't the only choice Jagex could have made.

 

 

 

Every thing Jagex does is bad, sucks, and makes them idiots so why continue to remenisce about the good ol' days? Why continue to live in those times? Move on, seriously. This is 2009. Not 2004. Pull yourself to the present and quit whining. Runescape will continue to change for the rest of the time it is around.

 

 

 

I don't think even Jagex knew what the outcome of tweaking and changing the game after restricting RWT would be.

 

 

 

Before all of these changes I never saw a high-level player or veteran complain. Now I see lots. Before higher level players were given respect, now veterans are seen as whiners who complain. Hands down the community was better before, now most players AFK.

 

 

 

This game is not the same game it was before. Everything is too easy. Some of you see the game being made easier as progress I don't. Skills and levels meant something before now for the most part it means that you afk'd or played some minigame or bought the level.

 

 

 

 

 

Sometimes, I think Jagex continues to do a lot of little updates because it gives people who don't give a damn something to laugh about when people complain that the little update destroyed the game.

 

 

 

Jagex has few updates because this is the year of upgrades to the game. Also they are focussing on Mechscape, which is why RS has less updates even if they won't admit it.

 

 

 

Ratchet you may not have liked the game like it was before. I'm surprised that you even stuck with RS as you prefer the current safe version of RS.

 

 

 

You seem so bitter about all the scammers. Were you scammed lots?

 

 

 

Also even with all the restrictions the cheaters are still around. They buy accounts. They get other people to level their account or directly gather gold for them.

 

 

 

You probably are happy with the new game because you can put in less time and get 99's. Before level's meant something.

 

 

 

As a player from before it's frustrating seeing the game become easier, having the skills I have 99 in get the make-x option, seeing new minigames that let you level the skill without doing the skill.

 

 

 

Skills like slayer used to be respected, now with the new prayers and godswords and the slayer task blocking and summoning slayer is the easiest it's ever been. Even the soul wars mini-game gives slayer exp. I remember when getting 10k slayer exp an hour was considered good.

 

 

 

I hate the GE. While it works for basics, it's horrible compared to the free-trade that existed before especially for new items. I hate GE merching, it's nothing like the merching that existed pre-GE that actually needed thought, skill and work. Also the econony pre-trade restrictions was balanced with stable prices.

 

 

 

To you though all I'll ever be is a whiny player who is stuck in the past and is sad the wildy is gone. I don't know why I bother arguing.

 

 

 

Not that you care, but I think the best update Jagex did pre-trade restrictions was Barrows, this update was accessible by higher and lower levels, and the game was probably the most balanced at that point.

There were other solutions.

 

 

 

Removing credit card payment for one.

 

 

 

And/or improving anti-bot detection.

 

 

 

Removing credit card payment would be a bad business decision.

 

 

 

It seems that Jagew are continuously improving their bot detection system, but the botters always seem to find new ways.

 

The goldfarmers issue would not have been solved though.

 

 

 

As langer said, removing credit card payments would affect business badly. Although there ARE RuneScape cards, credit cards are still more convenient.

 

 

 

Bots are constantly improving. You can never have a SUPER-ULTIMATE-FOOLPROOF-ABSOLUTELY-NO-LOOPHOLE bot-detection system.

 

 

 

The problem was spiralling out of control, and drastic action had to be taken.

 

 

 

Ratchet, you are too bitter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah the good ol' days of Runescape, where most of the annoying idiots were too busy breaking the rules to complain on a forum.

 

 

 

There were less rants because the game wasn't broken. I didn't see that many people break rules, and the one's who tried to scam were laughed at. I knew no one that RWT.

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think the Jagex hate is fueled by a sadness that the wild is gone. I don't think people are complaining because they hate the update, I think they are complaining to keep the Jagex hate alive. Because never have I seen so many people complain about every little thing.

 

 

 

You are being paranoid. No one is ranting because they hate jagex. I dislike their current updates and tweaks that have glitches or make the game too easy.

 

 

 

 

 

Since when did Roger Ebert join Tip.It?

 

Seriosuly though to the people who believe that 2004 and such were the good ol' days: That's basically like old people saying "I remember the good ol days."

 

Yeah, the day where you were fighting in WWII and watching your best friends die around you? The cold war, where you were scared for your lives every day because nuclear missiles were pointed all over the world?" "Yeah, those good ol' days."

 

 

 

Seriously, just because a game changes, does that mean it blows? That's like saying Red Faction Guerilla blows because it has a third person perspective and is different from it's predecessors.

 

 

 

Yes, people always say the old days were good days. It's an OPINION one that you clearly do not share.

 

 

 

Runescape changed to help people just starting who couldn't figure out what to do.

 

 

 

Yes there was a huge need for a woodcut tutor.

 

 

 

 

 

They got rid of the wild for obvious reasons.

 

 

 

If you even read the last few posts, this course of action wasn't the only choice Jagex could have made.

 

 

 

Every thing Jagex does is bad, sucks, and makes them idiots so why continue to remenisce about the good ol' days? Why continue to live in those times? Move on, seriously. This is 2009. Not 2004. Pull yourself to the present and quit whining. Runescape will continue to change for the rest of the time it is around.

 

 

 

I don't think even Jagex knew what the outcome of tweaking and changing the game after restricting RWT would be.

 

 

 

Before all of these changes I never saw a high-level player or veteran complain. Now I see lots. Before higher level players were given respect, now veterans are seen as whiners who complain. Hands down the community was better before, now most players AFK.

 

 

 

This game is not the same game it was before. Everything is too easy. Some of you see the game being made easier as progress I don't. Skills and levels meant something before now for the most part it means that you afk'd or played some minigame or bought the level.

 

 

 

 

 

Sometimes, I think Jagex continues to do a lot of little updates because it gives people who don't give a damn something to laugh about when people complain that the little update destroyed the game.

 

 

 

Jagex has few updates because this is the year of upgrades to the game. Also they are focussing on Mechscape, which is why RS has less updates even if they won't admit it.

 

 

 

Ratchet you may not have liked the game like it was before. I'm surprised that you even stuck with RS as you prefer the current safe version of RS.

 

 

 

You seem so bitter about all the scammers. Were you scammed lots?

 

 

 

Also even with all the restrictions the cheaters are still around. They buy accounts. They get other people to level their account or directly gather gold for them.

 

 

 

You probably are happy with the new game because you can put in less time and get 99's. Before level's meant something.

 

 

 

As a player from before it's frustrating seeing the game become easier, having the skills I have 99 in get the make-x option, seeing new minigames that let you level the skill without doing the skill.

 

 

 

Skills like slayer used to be respected, now with the new prayers and godswords and the slayer task blocking and summoning slayer is the easiest it's ever been. Even the soul wars mini-game gives slayer exp. I remember when getting 10k slayer exp an hour was considered good.

 

 

 

I hate the GE. While it works for basics, it's horrible compared to the free-trade that existed before especially for new items. I hate GE merching, it's nothing like the merching that existed pre-GE that actually needed thought, skill and work. Also the econony pre-trade restrictions was balanced with stable prices.

 

 

 

To you though all I'll ever be is a whiny player who is stuck in the past and is sad the wildy is gone. I don't know why I bother arguing.

 

 

 

Not that you care, but I think the best update Jagex did pre-trade restrictions was Barrows, this update was accessible by higher and lower levels, and the game was probably the most balanced at that point.

 

 

 

As you said, its an opinion.

 

 

 

Whether people like ratchet or me are bitter or not are because of personal preferences. You don't have a right to tell us to change our ways because you think its "too bitter".

 

 

 

Apparently, you hate the GE. However, you're the minority. I could ask you why are you so bitter about any "anti-rwt updates". The GE brings convenience. It still requires work and thinking to merchant. You have to predict prices accurately. Convenience helps in the tedious work, which no one likes anyway. Don't tell me you "like" tediousness? However, the fact still remains. Skill is still needed for merchanting.

 

 

 

"Learn from the past, but never live in it."

 

 

 

This saying is very true, especially the second phrase. Why are you still so bitter about the past? Its the past- its unchangeable. Most of the things you mentioned are part of change - a concept which you and many others can't seem to grasp.

 

 

 

Every game changes. It can't be stopped. Change might not always be for the better, but it is mandatory. New ways to do things, more convenient, easier, more interesting ways. These are all part of change.

 

 

Apparently, your argument lies entirely around the fact that "things have become easier than before". Is that the only thing you can say?

 

 

 

Making a game easier, smoother and more convenient IS NOT BAD AT ALL. However, if you're so against anything that becomes easier, honestly, why don't you go and live in a medieval castle for a week and learn to appreciate all the conveniences you have? I fail to see how can it be "bad" that things become easier. Its still not very easy to train in RuneScape, compared to many other games. So tediousness is good? Apparently that's what you're saying. How is it good? I fail to see. Explain to me please.

Although there ARE RuneScape cards, credit cards are still more convenient.

 

 

 

 

If they were widespread enough that you could get one when you go shopping or something, it would be just as convenient, maybe slightly more expensive, and I'm sure many people would do it simply because they are paranoid of giving away credit card info.

Although there ARE RuneScape cards, credit cards are still more convenient.

 

 

 

 

If they were widespread enough that you could get one when you go shopping or something, it would be just as convenient, maybe slightly more expensive, and I'm sure many people would do it simply because they are paranoid of giving away credit card info.

 

 

 

Look - how much would Jagex have to invest to get RuneScape wallie cards in almost every convenient store? A lot.

 

 

 

Just give up. Its not feasible to remove credit card payment.

Sure it is.

 

 

 

Most payment options are more expensive than credit card, but not by much, and I'm sure many people would pay the extra price for free trade.

 

 

 

I'm not saying its an entirely sane option at the moment, but they were hardly forced to remove free trade there WERE other avenues.

Quel:

 

 

 

I don't think you understood my point, I think that Jagex was too hasty in making the decision, not thinking everything through. But all you say is Banks will sue Jagex, and players start everything...

 

 

 

I read 5 & 6 and no where says banks were sueing Jagex, they were losing money due to bank refund charges. If that's sueing, then I didn't know and I'm sorry, but it seemed like they weren't in such a dire position to be so hasty, IMO.

 

 

 

I'm going to stop wasting your time now, have a good time.

Quel:

 

 

 

I don't think you understood my point, I think that Jagex was too hasty in making the decision, not thinking everything through. But all you say is Banks will sue Jagex, and players start everything...

 

 

 

I read 5 & 6 and no where says banks were sueing Jagex, they were losing money due to bank refund charges. If that's sueing, then I didn't know and I'm sorry, but it seemed like they weren't in such a dire position to be so hasty, IMO.

 

 

 

I'm going to stop wasting your time now, have a good time.

 

When a company is losing money because of its players' activities, don't you think that they will rush to end said activities as soon as possible? quelmotz didn't explain properly how the money was being lost, but he did get the important part- that they were losing money because of RWT.

 

In all honesty, if I were in charge of fixing that situation, I would've just made the game exclusively PvM. We've wasted so much time with updates meant to appease the Player Killers, who still manage to complain very loudly about each attempt. It's pointless to try to satisfy them, so I wouldn't bother. I'd say that JaGEx's solution was quite favorable compared to mine, eh?

Yes, the botters were ruining the game, but I remember when you get get Yew logs for 200gp a piece. I get a little misty eyed thinking about it. :cry: