The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Barack Obamas promised civilian national security force intensify.

 

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed yesterday by a 321-105 margin and now goes to the Senate.

 

Under section 6104 of the bill, entitled Duties, in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

 

Section 120 of the bill also discusses the Youth Engagement Zone Program and states that service learning will be a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.

 

The legislation, slated to cost $6 billion over five years, would create 175,000 new service opportunities under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the national volunteer program to 250,000. It would also create additional corps to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps and Veterans Service Corps, and it expands the National Civilian Community Corps to focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation, reports Fox News.

 

The Senate is also considering a similar piece of legislation known as the Serve America Act, which also includes language about Youth Engagement Zones.

 

 

 

 

 

Fears about Obamas plans to create involuntary servitude were first stoked in July 2008, when Obama told a rally in Colorado Springs, We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives weve set. Weve got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.

 

Despite denials that Obama plans to institute a mandatory program of national service, his original change.gov website stated that Americans would be required to complete 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. The text was only later changed to state that Americans would be encouraged to undertake such programs.

 

In addition, Obamas Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, publicly stated his intention to help create universal civil defense training in 2006.

 

The bills opponents and there are only a few in Congress say it could cram ideology down the throats of young volunteers, many of whom could be forced into service since the bill creates a Congressional Commission on Civic Service, reports Fox.

 

We contribute our time and money under no government coercion on a scale the rest of the world doesnt emulate and probably cant imagine, said Luke Sheahan, contributing editor for the Family Security Foundation. The idea that government should order its people to perform acts of charity is contrary to the idea of charity and it removes the responsibility for charity from the people to the government, destroying private initiative.

 

Lee Cary of the conservative American Thinker warns that Obamas agenda is to, tap into the already active volunteerism of millions of Americans and recruit them to become cogs in a gigantic government machine grinding out his social re-engineering agenda.

 

CFR luminary Gary Hart hit back at critics, claiming in a Huffington Post piece that, Resistance to expanded public service programs can be expected from the ideologically sclerotic, those who occupy the negative ground between government as the problem and government as our enemy.

 

 

 

 

http://www.infowars.com/house-passes-ma ... vice-bill/

 

 

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Note; it hasn't been challenged in court, and not signed in yet, but the fact that Congress would even pass it. :x

 

 

 

My 2 cents:

 

 

 

I like how they used the words 'mandatory' and 'voluntary' a lot, in the same piece, talking about the same bill. And that they will HOLD your college money (Fafsa loans) if you do not complete 100 hours of community service per school year. Now I understand that community service is good; but holding college money is ridiculous. Most college students don't have the time, while most is because they're partying, others are working 2 jobs and non stop studying; they shouldn't be punished for effectively not volunteering. I mean, I work 45 hour work weeks, along with a 7 am to 2 pm school day schedule Monday through Friday, there physically isn't enough time for CS. Now if they were to scale down the hours; thats one thing, but isn't the whole point of giving back to your community that it's voluntary?

 

 

 

Once again; the bill may be whittled down to nothing; and may be declare unconstitutional in court; but for right now, post your thoughts.

head for the border!!!!

If this bill passes, I'm expecting riots to happen.

Load of bull [cabbage], force us to do work? Like hell they will. :thumbdown:

 

 

 

Mandatory? all the idiots who [bleep] about controlling your body when it comes to marijuana better not support this crap :thumbdown:

 

 

 

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At the OP, I would like a different source, I know this bill was in the works... But prison planet, alex jones, info wars and them are known to stretch the truth a bit.

ye I know :P I was thinking about that when my mom showed me it. I'll look for one.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: here's one, but it's not a Cnn-type new source.

 

 

 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=92902

 

 

Congress appears ready to pass an Obama administration plan that could create mandatory public service requirements for all American youth, fulfilling a campaign promise.

 

 

 

The bill, HR 1388: The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, otherwise known as the "GIVE Act," has already passed the House by a vote of 321-105.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, the Senate voted closure on the motion to proceed by a margin of 74-14 in a move that makes its ultimate passage likely.

 

 

 

The bill, promoted by the Obama administration as a means of encouraging America's youth to participate in voluntary community service, has received little scrutiny from Congress or the public.

 

 

 

Yet, a version of the bill in the House proposes to establish a Congressional Commission on Civil Service tasked with determining whether a mandatory service requirement for all young people in America could be developed and implemented, though it is not clear that provision will survive a conference committee.

 

 

 

Moreover, an amendment to the bill introduced by Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., one of the bill's 37 co-sponsors in the House, appears to severely restrict the First Amendment by prohibiting the youth participating in the program from attempting to influence legislation, organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts or strikes.

 

 

 

Funds under the bill are designated to be distributed through AmeriCorps, even though AmeriCorps volunteers have a history of being recruited and employed by community programs with an ideological purpose supported by Democratic Party politicians, including Planned Parenthood.

 

 

 

Under terms of the legislation, volunteers recruited into AmeriCorps through the GIVE Act could end up counseling Planned Parenthood clients to recommend and arrange abortions.

 

 

 

It is uncertain whether restrictions will survive into the final legislation that would prohibit GIVE Act participants from being recruited under the program to work in ACORN, a radical community organizing group facing criminal charges in several states for voter fraud.

 

 

 

"The purpose of the bill is to require mandatory community service for all young people in the United States," Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, told WND in a telephone interview.

 

 

 

"The mobilization of the youth to put them into community work environments that are specified in the bill raises questions about who will be teaching the youth and what is deemed appropriate community service," he said.

 

 

 

"It's great young people should do community service, but to have mandatory government-run community service projects may be a different thing," Poe stressed, explaining why he voted against the bill. "It's better if we can encourage young people to volunteer, and when you require something of them you are certainly not volunteering, and to place them only in government-controlled programs concerns me."

 

 

 

Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, who also voted against the GIVE Act, expressed to WND his reservations.

 

 

 

"I opposed the bill because it would expand and authorize programs that have been audited and considered ineffective by the Office of Management and Budget, which does not align with the administration's stated plans of encouraging transparency and accountability in all federal programs."

 

 

 

WND telephoned the office of Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., the bill's sponsor in the House, to ask for comment on this story, but did not receive an immediate response.

 

 

 

Larry Hart, director of government relations for the American Conservative Union, said the history of the program goes back to the VISTA program under the Carter administration.

 

 

 

The problem is that taxpayer funds under the GIVE Act could end up getting paid to volunteers in organizations that are doing political advocacy activity," Hart said.

 

 

 

"Whether the safeguards in the GIVE Act that are sufficiently strong to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for political advocacy remains to be seen, until the Senate passes a final bill and the House-Senate conference committee gets together on final language," he said.

 

 

 

According to Fox News, the legislation could cost up to $6 billion over five years and would create 175,000 "new service opportunities" under AmeriCorps.

 

 

 

WND previously reported that the GIVE Act may be the first step taken by the Obama administration to create what candidate Obama called his "National Civilian Security Force" in a speech last year in which he urged creating an organization as big and well-funded as the U.S. military.

 

 

 

WND also reported when a copy of the speech provided online apparently was edited to exclude Obama's specific references to the new force.

 

 

 

Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel coauthored a 2006 book entitled "The Plan: Big Ideas for America' that called for three months of compulsory civil service for all Americans aged 18 to 25.

 

 

 

The Obama/Biden campaign website proclaims that "Obama and Biden will expand AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps with "a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year."

 

 

 

After completing college at Columbia University, Obama in 1983 became a community organizer in the Chicago-based Developing Communities Project, an organization that operated according to principles articulated by Saul Alinsky, whose 1971 book "Rules for Radicals" articulated a socialist strategy for gaining political power to redistribute wealth from the "haves" to the "have-nots."

As an Eagle Scout I have done lots of community service already.

 

 

 

 

 

100 Hours for a college student? I work 25+ hours a week with a 15 hour course load, I barely have time to breathe. Not happy with this even hitting the news.

I might agree with the idea behind community service if most of the work wasn't utterly pointless and actually contributed to society. I had to keep score for 65 hours for little kid basketball games, even though they had many refs that would just sit on their butts the whole time. If letting a ref sit on his butt during time that he's getting paid then... I don't know, that's just not fair.

As an Eagle Scout I have done lots of community service already.

 

 

 

 

 

100 Hours for a college student? I work 25+ hours a week with a 15 hour course load, I barely have time to breathe. Not happy with this even hitting the news.

 

 

 

 

 

Ye, if that's not enough, they'll hold your loans.

 

 

 

 

 

But, hell; now that I think about it, this will in all likely cases be shot down in Court. But if it isn't...

Very interesting. I can agree with the 50 hours during Middle school, but do they not realize that some college students actually attempt to pay for their schooling? Unless of course they widen the definition of community service I could see 100 hours a year be a challenge for many college students.

 

 

 

If Stephen Harper even considers something like this, I'm putting him to work on the farm while he attempts to run our country. ;)

As an Eagle Scout I have done lots of community service already.

 

 

 

 

 

100 Hours for a college student? I work 25+ hours a week with a 15 hour course load, I barely have time to breathe. Not happy with this even hitting the news.

 

 

 

 

 

Ye, if that's not enough, they'll hold your loans.

 

 

 

 

 

But, hell; now that I think about it, this will in all likely cases be shot down in Court. But if it isn't...

 

 

 

 

 

What if people don't want a loan? I mean, I know kids that worked their [wagon] off at 2-3+ jobs so they didn't have to take loans to pay for college.

As an Eagle Scout I have done lots of community service already.

 

 

 

 

 

100 Hours for a college student? I work 25+ hours a week with a 15 hour course load, I barely have time to breathe. Not happy with this even hitting the news.

 

 

 

 

 

Ye, if that's not enough, they'll hold your loans.

 

 

 

 

 

But, hell; now that I think about it, this will in all likely cases be shot down in Court. But if it isn't...

 

 

 

 

 

What if people don't want a loan? I mean, I know kids that worked their [wagon] off at 2-3+ jobs so they didn't have to take loans to pay for college.

 

 

 

I work, no loans for me.

As an Eagle Scout I have done lots of community service already.

 

 

 

 

 

100 Hours for a college student? I work 25+ hours a week with a 15 hour course load, I barely have time to breathe. Not happy with this even hitting the news.

 

 

 

 

 

Ye, if that's not enough, they'll hold your loans.

 

 

 

 

 

But, hell; now that I think about it, this will in all likely cases be shot down in Court. But if it isn't...

 

 

 

 

 

What if people don't want a loan? I mean, I know kids that worked their [wagon] off at 2-3+ jobs so they didn't have to take loans to pay for college.

 

 

 

 

 

Umm? Then don't get a loan? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. The point is; they're meddling n things they shouldn't, at least in my opinion.

Another reason why I'm glad to live in Australia.

InfoWars? Really?

 

 

 

Please, get this Alex Jones garbage out of here. This is worse than Fox News having him on their online show because no one should expect anything from the circus over at Fox News.

 

 

 

This is nothing but a giant lie about some "Hitler Youth" designed to take over America for the world government and the CFR.

 

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/us/po ... 7cong.html

 

 

 

It was a bill that expanded funding to groups like AmeriCorps, and increased funding for college assistance. Last I heard, "mandatory" and "voluntary" are both mutually exclusive terms.

I don't like that. I'm glad I don't have any loans paying for my college anyways but for the ppl that do now they'd have to complete their schooling, on top of 400 hours of CS (4 year degree), and then pay off their loans. Its almost like taking a loan is crime now..

InfoWars? Really?

 

 

 

Please, get this Alex Jones garbage out of here. This is worse than Fox News having him on their online show because no one should expect anything from the circus over at Fox News.

 

 

 

This is nothing but a giant lie about some "Hitler Youth" designed to take over America for the world government and the CFR.

 

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/us/po ... 7cong.html

 

 

 

It was a bill that expanded funding to groups like AmeriCorps, and increased funding for college assistance. Last I heard, "mandatory" and "voluntary" are both mutually exclusive terms.

 

 

 

 

 

Really? You're calling Foxnews a circus, and then you post a NY Times link? Hmm....

Before you go complain, we have to waste 2 years of our most important period in human age in a boot camp.

 

That's pretty lucky.

InfoWars? Really?

 

 

 

Please, get this Alex Jones garbage out of here. This is worse than Fox News having him on their online show because no one should expect anything from the circus over at Fox News.

 

 

 

This is nothing but a giant lie about some "Hitler Youth" designed to take over America for the world government and the CFR.

 

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/us/po ... 7cong.html

 

 

 

It was a bill that expanded funding to groups like AmeriCorps, and increased funding for college assistance. Last I heard, "mandatory" and "voluntary" are both mutually exclusive terms.

 

 

 

 

 

Really? You're calling Foxnews a circus, and then you post a NY Times link? Hmm....

 

 

 

Yes, I do call a news network that allows a blow hard like Bill O'Reilly to blame rape on the rape victim [1], Glen Beck to talk about conspiracy theories about FEMA camps and significantly increase his air time [2], mocks Canadian Soldiers dying in Afghanistan [3], among other nameless things that would otherwise be censored on this board, to be one giant circus of a news network.

 

 

 

The New York Times is fairly neutral in their reporting, and they occasionally are just as sensational as any other bit of the corporate media, but no network owned by Rupert Murdoch can even compare...how about the New York Post monkey cartoon? Oh yeah, so credible... :roll:

fafsa money isnt loans. they pay for your school and you aren't obligated to give them a dime. what do you think scholarships are? Maybe instead playing runescape or posting here 20 minutes a day you serve our country for 4 grand a year or 40 bucks an hour. get over your selves. If you cant find 2 hours a week to help your fellow citizen while advancing your career you are subhuman filth.

I miss fox before Obama won, it was much better(ableit still right leaning) then.

 

 

 

From what I read, Fafsa is given based on economic need so whether or not requiring community service is a good idea I can see the rationale.

 

 

 

My main concern here is the security force, I really dont like the sound of anything that sounds like a one body organization. I mean its fair to say the youth vote greatly favored obama, and I dont like that this sounds like hes going to organize teens as any type of authoritative force.

I will show my thoughts on this bill by thrusting my genitals at it repeatedly.

I will show my thoughts on this bill by thrusting my genitals at it multiple times.

 

you love it long time?

 

 

 

on topic, anyone else worried by the volume of bills not related to economic recovery obama is passing/trying to pass?

I'm not. Other stuff is still happening. Focusing on the economy more than already would be stupid. Besides, whats he gonna do, throw more money at it? There isn't altogether a coherent plan.

 

 

 

I don't know what this means, since everything seems to be conflicting. I've volunteered before, it isn't like it's hard.

Apparently an unreliable source. All I know is if it becomes required, it really isn't community service, is it?

Thank God, when I read the thread title I thought they reinstated the draft :shock: