P2P Users More Likely to Cheat, Shoplift

[DaN]

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/30/135259&tid=141&tid=187

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How's this for pathetic

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate the recording industry there always resorting to telling outright lies and unproven facts.

[E_D_G_E_1039]

Its all BS. Everyone has illegally downloaded music or something like that. Even my grandpa downloads his music...

[SAGE]

So the 79 Year old down the street who downloaded 20 songs for a cd for her car is going to go shoplift now because she downloaded something. I wonder how they even came up with this BS result

[E_D_G_E_1039]

So the 79 Year old down the street who downloaded 20 songs for a cd for her car is going to go shoplift now because she downloaded something. I wonder how they even came up with this BS result

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dam, you must live in my neighborhood :shock:

[Average_Hobo]

:lol: ... :roll: I love propaganda. It's so funny to listen too.

[____]

> "Has the RIAA commissioned a study to see if young people are more likely to hijack ocean-going vessels? After all, piracy is piracy."

 

 

 

>>> "Arrr! Ye be handin' o'er those mp3 cds ye scurvy swag!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LMAO. The replies are more enteretaining than the article itself :D

[runesmithie]

> "Has the RIAA commissioned a study to see if young people are more likely to hijack ocean-going vessels? After all, piracy is piracy."

 

 

 

>>> "Arrr! Ye be handin' o'er those mp3 cds ye scurvy swag!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LMAO. The replies are more enteretaining than the article itself :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What article? :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only reason I visit /. is for the comments, be it that I laugh my [wagon] off or I learn something...

[Bubsa]

"Would you also be inclined to believe copyright holders drink harder and do more cocaine? After all, look at musicians. Don't even get me started on Roman Polanski"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I applaud that person. Opitomises how ridiculous that arguement is.

[weezcake]

P2P users are also more likely to get AIDS too.

[willyhenriksen]

i dont download music, i get them over msn from friends and my father is downloading it.

[Necromagus]

Even if there is the slightest amount of truth in that, I think it probably has to do with the fact that most p2p users are quite young, and therefor more likely to take risks. Still bs though.

[Zonorhc]

It's like when people say that D&D players are more likely to commit suicide and engage in criminal activities, both of which are unfounded statements without statistics to support them, whereas the actual situation is, in fact, the opposite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for people who download music and such... hey, I can't for the life of me remember the last time I or any of the people I associate with (99% of whom also download music) shoplifted or "cheated" in anything.

[____]

P2P users are also more likely to get AIDS too.

Nah. I can't remember the country off the top of my head (it's in African somewhere) but it will always top the list for % chance of getting aids untill some kind of 'cure' comes out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*shrug*

[dusqi]

I found this comment the most humourous:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash: Teenagers download more

 

 

 

"Downloading may turn you into a teenager" a scientist in lab coat commented. "We may have stumbled upon the fountain of youth".

 

 

 

[knives669]

Lol. How very rediculous... I love the comments too.

[E_D_G_E_1039]

Where in that quote are they saying that file swapping causes people to do these things?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What they are implying is that being Canadian causes people to have poor moral standards... Now who can argue with that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, God kills a kitten everytime you download music.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No No No! You can't say that! You should be saying this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God allegedly is suggested to kill a kitten every time it is believed that you download potentially copyrighted materials.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ROFL :lol:

[xyrec]

My favorite quote was:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It bewilders me to think that the Recording industry is wasting their money sponsoring crap studies that paint their customers as theives instead of genuinely trying to understand their changing userbase to better serve them and thus MAKE MORE MONEY.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, who is running these companies and why are investors not extremely upset about this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's the sad truth too....while the recording industry has just sat around complaining and trying to sue, they could've been jumping on the band wagon and put their music up for download and just charge a nominal fee for it. There are a lot of people who like a single song on a cd but arn't willing to pay for the whole cd to listen to one song. Instead of catering to these sorts of customers and supporting the rise of the mp3 players which are all but replacing portable cd players, the imbeciles just sat and complained. Now there is Napster, Rhapsody, iTunes and a number of other companies who have already cornered the market so it's too late. I dunno if their actions just stem from the extreme amount of unbridled greed that blinds them or what.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I was a stock holder in any of the major recording companies I would be livid with anger. Most of the people who download music don't have any money to take and napster didn't have much either. I bet the idiots spent more on lawyer fees trying to sue everyone than what they got as payment from the lawsuits.

[AThousandLies]

What I hate is the comparison to stealing. Just because you download music, doesn't mean you were definitely going to buy it. It's not taking away from retailers, it's not taking away from artists, unless you were absolutely positively intending to buy it. I download lots of music and music videos. The videos often aren't available anywhere else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Downloading music has caused me to spend MORE money on music, as I get to sample bands I wouldn't otherwise have heard of. New Order, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jane's Addiction, Team Sleep, Jerk, The Cure, Muse and Nirvana; I own material legally by all these artists, and how did I first hear them? By downloading their stuff on Limewire. There are countless CD's I also intend to buy at the moment, because I have sampled their stuff by downloading it illegally and now I want to own it and give them the money they deserve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you know what? [bleep] the RIAA. [bleep] their double standards. [bleep] their wasteful spending. [bleep] their incompetence. [bleep] their speculation. And most of all, [bleep] their idiocy.

[E_D_G_E_1039]

What I hate is the comparison to stealing. Just because you download music, doesn't mean you were definitely going to buy it. It's not taking away from retailers, it's not taking away from artists, unless you were absolutely positively intending to buy it. I download lots of music and music videos. The videos often aren't available anywhere else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Downloading music has caused me to spend MORE money on music, as I get to sample bands I wouldn't otherwise have heard of. New Order, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jane's Addiction, Team Sleep, Jerk, The Cure, Muse and Nirvana; I own material legally by all these artists, and how did I first hear them? By downloading their stuff on Limewire. There are countless CD's I also intend to buy at the moment, because I have sampled their stuff by downloading it illegally and now I want to own it and give them the money they deserve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you know what? * the RIAA. * their double standards. * their wasteful spending. * their incompetence. * their speculation. And most of all, * their idiocy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally agree 100% to your post, and I do the exact same thing.

[Hobgoblin11]

Also, God kills a kitten everytime you download music.

 

 

 

No No No! You can't say that! You should be saying this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God allegedly is suggested to kill a kitten every time it is believed that you download potentially copyrighted materials.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8) Now thats better, nice and PC for everyone who takes offence at this (a whole 1 person, situated in the outreaches of Utah, weeks from civilization and electricity, so chances are he hasn't even heard this quote...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅNew Environics studies show that 100% of all smokers die.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Death_By_Pod]

What I hate is the comparison to stealing. Just because you download music, doesn't mean you were definitely going to buy it. It's not taking away from retailers, it's not taking away from artists, unless you were absolutely positively intending to buy it. I download lots of music and music videos. The videos often aren't available anywhere else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

steal Audio pronunciation of "stealing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)

 

 

 

v. stole, (stl) stoÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷len, (stln) stealÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷ing, steals

 

 

 

v. tr.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it would be ok for me to go out to the country and build a house on someoneÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s large property because hey I wasnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t going to buy the block of land and I'm not taking anything away from the owners because they don't use it. They still own the land and all but there is just a house on it that I'm using saves me having to buy my own piece of land.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another example would be using someone elseÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s trademark. Would it be ok to bottle my own drinks as Coca-cola, Pepsi etc. and sell them to people? The other company is not losing any money because trademarks are intangible. So why do they crack down on people misusing trademarks? Surely stealing something intangible like a trademark is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the act of downloading you are indeed using the product; I don't care if the product is physical or intangible. By your logic movies at the movie theatre should be free because you might not buy a DVD of the movie; you just want to see a "sample" (i.e. the whole movie) of the movie. I don't think the theatre is just charging you to use their seats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you think the real value of a CD is? It only costs then 10 cents to make a CD so why do they put them in security cases and guard them so much. The intellectual property on the CD is worth more then the CD itself and a copy of the mp3 still retains the most expensive part of the CD, the intellectual property.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no reasonable excuse to download mp3's. You say you heard new bands through mp3's however all music companies provide fair samples of work. Look on amazon.com they have 40 second samples of every track from the album (and in many cases give away whole tracks from albums, or allow you to stream the entire album from their site), which is plenty of time to get a feel for an artistÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s music without resorting to stealing their work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have a problem with downloading music but I do have a problem with people trying to ethically justify it. Stealing is stealing no matter what the object your stealing is. I think that people will take full advantage of a situation where possible so I don't blame you for stealing music because it is sitting in front of you. Take a look at New Orleans, people looted that place the moment the town deserted much the same way you are looting music because there is no one to stop you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I think the article is stupid in claiming youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re more likely to steal however I think the point they are trying to make is if you don't respect intellectual property then that is no different from not respecting other peopleÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s property. If you steal goods then you would have no problem downloading albums (I doubt a single thief would disagree with me here), they should take it from that view rather then a more generalised you might steal if you download music.

[Triplets_KGB]

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅNew Environics studies show that 100% of all smokers die.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[indy500fan]

Err... 100% of all humans die anyway....dumb people eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that was the joke you know...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

words and stuff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i agree with you, downloading IS stealing. funny that people get on the riaa for trying to protect their property. i know if someone came into my house and started taking stuff off the shelves, id be pissed and do something about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ignore unless you are bored, just flapping my gums so my mouth doesnt close over *realizes im typing* meh..] i do download a lot of stuff illegally though. i dont pretend to myself that i should be allowed to download, i know its stealing. and i know if i get caught, im probably not going to like it. i basically just dl games, movies, and music (kinda in that order). thing about games is, i just try them for a bit and most of the time i dotn like them so i delete them. if i like it, i go out and buy it. not because im trying to make it seem as if i should be allowed to test these games and only buy the ones i want, but because i always have problems with the cracked ones and its just easier to have the game :lol: . i know its still stealing, its like going into someones house, taking their tv, and then after watching it for a bit, destroying it. im no longer getting value out of it, but i still stole it in the first place. its pretty much the same with movies, except instead of deleting them after i try them, i usually watch all the way through. and i like most of them so 95% of the movies i dl i have bought or are on my wishlist. musics different, i really dont listen to music all that much, and when i get into the mood for it its usually something i already have. i hardly ever dl it, maybe a new song everynow and then. dl'ing music has never lead me to buy a cd though. [/ignore]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DOWNLOADING IS STEALING, STEALING IS BAD. dont forget that :wink:

[AThousandLies]

steal Audio pronunciation of "stealing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)

 

 

 

v. stole, (stl) stoÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷len, (stln) stealÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷ing, steals

 

 

 

v. tr.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it would be ok for me to go out to the country and build a house on someoneÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s large property because hey I wasnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t going to buy the block of land and I'm not taking anything away from the owners because they don't use it. They still own the land and all but there is just a house on it that I'm using saves me having to buy my own piece of land.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another example would be using someone elseÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s trademark. Would it be ok to bottle my own drinks as Coca-cola, Pepsi etc. and sell them to people? The other company is not losing any money because trademarks are intangible. So why do they crack down on people misusing trademarks? Surely stealing something intangible like a trademark is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's an unfair comparison. I'm not making money from downloading music. I'm not selling it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the act of downloading you are indeed using the product; I don't care if the product is physical or intangible. By your logic movies at the movie theatre should be free because you might not buy a DVD of the movie; you just want to see a "sample" (i.e. the whole movie) of the movie. I don't think the theatre is just charging you to use their seats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the movies I don't just pay to see the movie -- I'm paying to see it in the special format it is presented in (surround sound, large screen, luxury seats etc). So ... no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no reasonable excuse to download mp3's. You say you heard new bands through mp3's however all music companies provide fair samples of work. Look on amazon.com they have 40 second samples of every track from the album (and in many cases give away whole tracks from albums, or allow you to stream the entire album from their site), which is plenty of time to get a feel for an artistÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s music without resorting to stealing their work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A [cabbage]ty quality sample that doesn't always work isn't the type of thing that makes me want to buy a product. It's like an advertisement on TV without colour, sound or proper spelling -- you wouldn't want to buy that product would you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have a problem with downloading music but I do have a problem with people trying to ethically justify it. Stealing is stealing no matter what the object your stealing is. I think that people will take full advantage of a situation where possible so I don't blame you for stealing music because it is sitting in front of you. Take a look at New Orleans, people looted that place the moment the town deserted much the same way you are looting music because there is no one to stop you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stealing is stealing, yeah, fine. But taking something from a shop is different to downloading music.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I think the article is stupid in claiming youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re more likely to steal however I think the point they are trying to make is if you don't respect intellectual property then that is no different from not respecting other peopleÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s property.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, it is quite different. You see, in this case, the people still have access to their intellectual property. Perhaps tangible or intangible it is still stealing, but then I guess you quoting my post is stealing isn't it? I didn't give permission for you to quote my post, did I now? The post is my intellectual property so technically you're stealing it by using the same logic. If I download music, the artist still has access to their own music. If I steal their car, they don't have access to their car. See the difference?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you steal goods then you would have no problem downloading albums (I doubt a single thief would disagree with me here), they should take it from that view rather then a more generalised you might steal if you download music.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe if you steal goods you wouldn't have a problem downloading music. But if you download music you won't necessarily be more likely to take a tangible object from a shop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A rectangle is a square, but a square is not a rectangle.

[How2PK]

I recentely started downloading some music, I've got most of it already on cd, but too lazy to rip everything. And I thought the downloading itself of the music wasn't illegal, but the spreading of (downloaded) music is illegal (without the right papers and qualifications etc. of course)...