Will Zaros Bring the Balance Back?

[ghost4sale1]

I don't know, I'm just waiting for guthix to do something :-?

[Howlin0001]

 

In no way will Zaros or Zamorak ever fight or defeat one another oon Gielenor itself due to the Guthixian Edicts preventing them from ever involving themselves in this world...

Well soon enough that might not matter because during one quest we saw some Zamorak and Saradomin followers meeting about how to get rid of it (or something along them lines).

[Misterknowitall]

 

In no way will Zaros or Zamorak ever fight or defeat one another oon Gielenor itself due to the Guthixian Edicts preventing them from ever involving themselves in this world...

Well soon enough that might not matter because during one quest we saw some Zamorak and Saradomin followers meeting about how to get rid of it (or something along them lines).

And Zaros has lost His godly powers, so He can interfere as much as He wants :thumbup:

[michel555555]

This thread is interesting, I think this will go into my bookmarks.

 

They way that i've view the gods is like this.

 

Bandos- the school yard bully who picks on the other kids when the teacher turns his back. aka the evil god of war for its own sake- chaos essentialy

 

Saradomin- is the stuck up rich kid who believes that everything he says is right and that others who disagree with him are his mortal enimies- pure good essentially which means that whoever is not good has to die

 

Armadyle- is one kid in the shool yard who stands up to the bully and the rich kid who is not affraid to voice his opinion- essentially he is nuetral but plays an active role in maintaining the balance. Fighting like bandos but with a purpose rather than for chaos.

 

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

 

Bandos is the embodiment of chaos or evil while saradomin is the embodiment of good. If armadyl is a nuetral god as all things sujest then if zaros was either a good or and evil god guthix would have woken much sooner because the balance would have been upset.

 

Now come my views on the last two gods.

 

I think that they are both gods of balance.

 

Guthix represents the natural balance. I can't explain it that well but I believe him to impartial as long as no outside forces interfere in the world. No creatures from foreign planes interefereing with the world or granting creatures abnormal powers, that sort of thing. Essentially letting things take the natural course.

 

Which brings us to zaros. I view him more as a god of balance between the planes themselves. This ones harder to explain because we do not know when exactly the major gods arrived to the plane of gilenor. If bandos and the other gods arrived before zaros then this would be plausible since they each arrived with an individual race. Bandos brought the goblins, seren the elves, armadyl the rocs and avansies (but there is no actual proof of this), saradomin pausibally the icyene (which jagex has kindly provided no proof either), and the desert gods braught the mahajarat (sp?). Zaros is attracted to gilenor from his own plane of existence because of the other gods interfering with the fabric of the space time continum and puts a stop to them before they cause enough damage to awaken guthix himself.

 

The mahrajatt (sp?) also could fit into this theory. Since they are a selfish race if they see that a god has the power to stop more of there kind from coming to this world he might also have the power to banish them back to there own desolate plane. When that happens they abandon the desert gods and join zaros hoping to remain on gilenor.

 

The last thing that convinces me of this is the god wars themselves. When zaros was overthrown we know that the first thing that zammy did was to summon legions of demons and worse things from the other planes. Saradomin also interfered with the natural balance but we don't know to what extent. Either summoning creatures from other planes to fight zammys demons or enhancing the creatures already on gilenor. And then guthix awoke and banished the majority of the stronger demons back to the other planes and prevented the gods from directly interfering in the world. and messing with the natural balance further.

 

Another theory i have is that the avansies and icyene were originally on gilenor before the arival of the other gods and just flocked (srry for the pun) to armadyl and saradomin. And when the avansies and icyene were destroyed by the war guthix allowed the minor creatures of the other planes to stay to fill a void that was created when they were wiped out.

[Misterknowitall]

This thread is interesting, I think this will go into my bookmarks.

 

They way that i've view the gods is like this.

 

Bandos- the school yard bully who picks on the other kids when the teacher turns his back. aka the evil god of war for its own sake- chaos essentialy

 

Saradomin- is the stuck up rich kid who believes that everything he says is right and that others who disagree with him are his mortal enimies- pure good essentially which means that whoever is not good has to die

 

Armadyle- is one kid in the shool yard who stands up to the bully and the rich kid who is not affraid to voice his opinion- essentially he is nuetral but plays an active role in maintaining the balance. Fighting like bandos but with a purpose rather than for chaos.

 

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

 

Bandos is the embodiment of chaos or evil while saradomin is the embodiment of good. If armadyl is a nuetral god as all things sujest then if zaros was either a good or and evil god guthix would have woken much sooner because the balance would have been upset.

I believe that Armadyl is a good god and an even better god than Saradomin.

 

Zaros is attracted to gilenor from his own plane of existence because of the other gods interfering with the fabric of the space time continum and puts a stop to them before they cause enough damage to awaken guthix himself.

I don't really know what you mean by this. Zaros was banished and not seen or heard from throughout the God Wars, wich caused Guthix to wake up.

 

The mahrajatt (sp?) also could fit into this theory. Since they are a selfish race if they see that a god has the power to stop more of there kind from coming to this world he might also have the power to banish them back to there own desolate plane. When that happens they abandon the desert gods and join zaros hoping to remain on gilenor.

The Mahjarrat (correct spelling, this) where after more power and destruction. Since Icthlarin was a more or less peacefull (demi)god, the Mahjarrat quickly abandoned him and joined someone who could give them what they wanted.

I don't think fear has something to do with it. Why wouldn't Icthlarin be able to send them back without the Mahjarrat being under his control?

 

Another theory i have is that the avansies and icyene were originally on gilenor before the arival of the other gods and just flocked (srry for the pun) to armadyl and saradomin.

I believe this to be true.

[@Dan3HitU]

I still believe Zaros is some-what a counter-balance, or maybe in fact the true balance.

I think Zaros got the alias "empty-lord" simply because he either has no soul or shows no remorse for what he does, thus not making him good or evil.

 

As far as I know (I haven't done hardly any quests regarding him) but didn't he simply pick/force the best/strongest warriors (of all classes) and order them to fight for him? So really, none really liked him, however some stayed loyal to him.

[Misterknowitall]

I still believe Zaros is some-what a counter-balance, or maybe in fact the true balance.

I think Zaros got the alias "empty-lord" simply because he either has no soul or shows no remorse for what he does, thus not making him good or evil.

 

As far as I know (I haven't done hardly any quests regarding him) but didn't he simply pick/force the best/strongest warriors (of all classes) and order them to fight for him? So really, none really liked him, however some stayed loyal to him.

According to Viggora (from the Ghostly Robes miniquest) Zaros had a lot of loyal subjects.

 

"The Empty Lord turned away from our battle, eyes burning with hatred, and towards Zamorak instead. Seeing this, we all fought with extra vigour, so that General Zamorak would not face our lord alone, but we were outnumbered by many hundreds of warriors and demons, and could not reach him to assist him."

[Dormado]

... So really, none really liked him, however some stayed loyal to him....

 

None really liked him? Then why stay loyal? Zaros was gone, his followers felt the emptiness that he left.

 

Azzanadra confirms that Sennisten (the jewel of Zarosian empire) didn't give up without afight, thats why the city was razed. But now, why would followers of a god "none really liked" fight (to the death) even after he was gone? Why not revert to other side? Why bother on constructing the comunion portal in the first place? Why not just forget that Zaros existed? Well, nobody knows the asnwer for sure, but we can guess that Zaros was a good god, his law was his neutrality, he cared not for the alignment and horror his warriors possesed, only for their power and ability to serve him. That seems Neutral Good god for me.

[Silver_Corner]

Perhaps the grand scheme Zaros has for us is to go to the ritual to sabotage it in some way giving Zaros the Staff of Armadyl back. This would allow him to re-sit on top his old throne with the power he once had, in addition to giving Lucien the noose.

 

It would also remove any temptation of other group members trying to ascend to godliness.

 

One question however is, did Zaros ever have contact with the Stone of Jas? We know it was hidden on lunar isle for a time, but we have no record of what happened to it from the time the moonclan found it and when Guthix smashed it onto the ground at the fist of Guthix.

[Hippodo]

This thread is interesting, I think this will go into my bookmarks.

 

They way that i've view the gods is like this.

 

Bandos- the school yard bully who picks on the other kids when the teacher turns his back. aka the evil god of war for its own sake- chaos essentialy

 

Saradomin- is the stuck up rich kid who believes that everything he says is right and that others who disagree with him are his mortal enimies- pure good essentially which means that whoever is not good has to die

 

Armadyle- is one kid in the shool yard who stands up to the bully and the rich kid who is not affraid to voice his opinion- essentially he is nuetral but plays an active role in maintaining the balance. Fighting like bandos but with a purpose rather than for chaos.

 

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

 

Bandos is the embodiment of chaos or evil while saradomin is the embodiment of good. If armadyl is a nuetral god as all things sujest then if zaros was either a good or and evil god guthix would have woken much sooner because the balance would have been upset.

I believe that Armadyl is a good god and an even better god than Saradomin.

Armadyl is the God of Justice, and you could view that as neutral. Lady Justice has a blindfold right? Impartiality? We see him as a good God because we see justice as fair and we believe in it.

 

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

I don't know about Marimbo or the Desert Pantheon specifically, but Seren is the second deity ever to arrive in Gielinor, just after Guthix.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

I don't know about Marimbo or the Desert Pantheon specifically, but Seren is the second deity ever to arrive in Gielinor, just after Guthix.

 

Can you provide the info then of when Armadyl came to Gielinor? i've been having suspicions that he may have been one of the Elder Gods.

[Misterknowitall]

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

I don't know about Marimbo or the Desert Pantheon specifically, but Seren is the second deity ever to arrive in Gielinor, just after Guthix.

 

Can you provide the info then of when Armadyl came to Gielinor? i've been having suspicions that he may have been one of the Elder Gods.

That seems like an odd theory :blink:

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

I don't know about Marimbo or the Desert Pantheon specifically, but Seren is the second deity ever to arrive in Gielinor, just after Guthix.

 

Can you provide the info then of when Armadyl came to Gielinor? i've been having suspicions that he may have been one of the Elder Gods.

That seems like an odd theory :blink:

Well, it comes from the fact that I never personally have found any conclusive proof of when Armadyl first came to the plane, or if he left and maybe came back before. And of all the Gods, with the exception of the Elder God Jas, we know the least about him.

 

Also it correlates to a personal theroy of mine that the Staff of Armadyl and the Stone of Jas are meant to be used in conjuction with each other. I don't think that the Staff of Armadyl is an artifact that is the source of much power, but is used to harness great power. For example, the Stone of Jas would be the source of electricity while the Staff would be the wire through which is travels.

[Misterknowitall]

Then comes the minor gods, seren, the monkey god, and the desert gods, who i will compare to the spectators as i think they were the youngest gods to arive. Correct me if i'm wrong. And played minimal parts in actual governing of the world.

I don't know about Marimbo or the Desert Pantheon specifically, but Seren is the second deity ever to arrive in Gielinor, just after Guthix.

 

Can you provide the info then of when Armadyl came to Gielinor? i've been having suspicions that he may have been one of the Elder Gods.

That seems like an odd theory :blink:

Well, it comes from the fact that I never personally have found any conclusive proof of when Armadyl first came to the plane, or if he left and maybe came back before. And of all the Gods, with the exception of the Elder God Jas, we know the least about him.

 

Also it correlates to a personal theroy of mine that the Staff of Armadyl and the Stone of Jas are meant to be used in conjuction with each other. I don't think that the Staff of Armadyl is an artifact that is the source of much power, but is used to harness great power. For example, the Stone of Jas would be the source of electricity while the Staff would be the wire through which is travels.

Interesting theory actually. I remember Saradomin speaking about Armadyl in one of the God letters. If it's not in there then I think nobody really knows. It could also be that he returned to Gielinor.

I've also been wondering why Armadyl would even need such a powerfull stick.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

My personal theory regarding it is that Jas and Armadyl were the pair of Elder Gods using the combined efforts of their items created the plane. For an unexplained reason, likely a fight between the two, Jas left the plane/or was killed and his stone was left behind. Armadyl took a slumber similar to Guthix's as Armadyl alone couldn't take care of Gielinor by himself. Then Guthix arrives, finds both the artifacts, and shapes the world. This awakens Armadyl, or he wakes up sometime later, whatever. I think that the Godwars take place and Armadyl is roused into fighting and uses his few forces that he still has, basically the Aviantese to fight for him. When he realizes it is getting out of control, it is Armadyl that awakens Guthix to put an end to the fighting. Guthix makes everyone leave and Armadyl realizing he has nothing left to do here takes off.

 

However, because both Artifacts must remain on the plane to continue it's existence, Armadyl must leave his Staff behind. He entrusts his followers to protect the Staff while Guthix entrusts his followers, i.e. Juna and the Balance Elemental to guard the Stone of Jas. Guthix goes back to sleep, people get up the some shady stuff, and the stuff is stolen and moved many times over.

 

As we know, the Staff of Armadyl was used to stab Zaros right? Okay, that's fine. But in Temple of Ikov quest the Guardians have the Staff again. No one explains how they got it back, and got it back from a god no less, namely Zamorak. There is lots of stuff we don't know.

 

Most of this I have based on absolutely nothing but tidbits of information, more bits of missing information, and gbeing completely done in on morphine for my broken wrist when I came up with this crap. :thumbsup:

[Misterknowitall]

Your theory is an explenation to a lot of questions and I kinda like it. :)

About the Staff falling back in Armadyl's hands/claws/whatever, Zamorak was appareantly banished for years, so Saradomin and maybe Armadyl too had a lot of playtime.

 

Message of the day: Huray for morphine!

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Your theory is an explenation to a lot of questions and I kinda like it. :)

About the Staff falling back in Armadyl's hands/claws/whatever, Zamorak was appareantly banished for years, so Saradomin and maybe Armadyl too had a lot of playtime.

 

Message of the day: Huray for morphine!

 

Well, it's one of the reasons why I think the Meeting/Making History quests are a gold mine that aren't being used right. Imagine if we had a quest chain that didn't necessarily have a storyline arc, but instead could put us in various places in the past so we can witness all the major events in the history of Gielinor?

 

They could place us at battles in the Godwars, during the fall of Senntisten, when Zamorak stabbed Zaros, all that. We might even be allowed to have a hand in it since we're traveling through time. Maybe we're the ones who retrieve the Staff and are the reason it was returned to the Guardians? That would be sweet. A quest about stealing the staff, then one about returning it, lol.

[Hippodo]

I don't think there is any information about when Armadyl came to Gielenor exactly. All we know is that Guthix says he's the first, at the start of the First Age.

 

My personal theory regarding it is that Jas and Armadyl were the pair of Elder Gods using the combined efforts of their items created the plane. For an unexplained reason, likely a fight between the two, Jas left the plane/or was killed and his stone was left behind. Armadyl took a slumber similar to Guthix's as Armadyl alone couldn't take care of Gielinor by himself. Then Guthix arrives, finds both the artifacts, and shapes the world.

But if Armadyl was an Elder God, and Guthix wasn't, then how is it possible that Guthix was powerful enough to shape this world where Armadyl was not? Furthermore, Guthix says he was the first God to arrive after the Elder Gods left the plane. If there was actually an Elder God slumbering somewhere, don't you think he would've felt it?

 

This awakens Armadyl, or he wakes up sometime later, whatever. I think that the Godwars take place and Armadyl is roused into fighting and uses his few forces that he still has, basically the Aviantese to fight for him. When he realizes it is getting out of control, it is Armadyl that awakens Guthix to put an end to the fighting. Guthix makes everyone leave and Armadyl realizing he has nothing left to do here takes off.

I think an Elder God would do a bit better in the God Wars than Armadyl did, even though he's pacifistic. He loves the Aviantese and would do anything to protect them. We now know they're almost completely butchered. Elder Gods have the power to create planets, maybe even dimensions, so Armadyl (if he was an Elder God) would have been able to prevent this.

 

About how the Staff returned to the Guardians: I agree it's strange that we know nothing about it, but as Misterknowitall said, Zamorak was banished for some time, so in that period a lot could've happened.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Actually, my point was that the two Elder Gods when working as a pair, are powerful enough to create and shape a plane. Seperately however they would have been too weak to do it, as proved by the absense of Jas. And I think that you might overesitmate the powers the Elder Gods have.

 

Guthix could be more powerful than Elder Gods too, in some ways and weaker in others. It's not something we know a lot about.

[Romy]

Actually, my point was that the two Elder Gods when working as a pair, are powerful enough to create and shape a plane. Seperately however they would have been too weak to do it, as proved by the absense of Jas. And I think that you might overesitmate the powers the Elder Gods have.

 

Guthix could be more powerful than Elder Gods too, in some ways and weaker in others. It's not something we know a lot about.

 

There's no clear evidence that Guthix is weaker than the Elder Gods.

 

However, considering they have the power to create planes, while Guthix does not, it's fairly possible they're stronger, or even a lot stronger.

 

 

 

Your theory is also a possiblity, perhaps they can only create planes when they're together, and apart are very weak. There's nothing flawed with that theory but for some reason the first one fits better in my head.

 

 

P.S.

A word from a girl, your other picture looks way better :P.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I know. I was making a face. I make lots of faces. :)

[Howlin0001]

Actually, my point was that the two Elder Gods when working as a pair, are powerful enough to create and shape a plane. Seperately however they would have been too weak to do it, as proved by the absense of Jas. And I think that you might overesitmate the powers the Elder Gods have.

 

Guthix could be more powerful than Elder Gods too, in some ways and weaker in others. It's not something we know a lot about.

 

There's no clear evidence that Guthix is weaker than the Elder Gods.

 

However, considering they have the power to create planes, while Guthix does not, it's fairly possible they're stronger, or even a lot stronger.

 

 

 

Your theory is also a possiblity, perhaps they can only create planes when they're together, and apart are very weak. There's nothing flawed with that theory but for some reason the first one fits better in my head.

Does it actually say Guthix can't create planes or did it just say he can one shape ones?

[3hitm4g3u]

Actually, my point was that the two Elder Gods when working as a pair, are powerful enough to create and shape a plane. Seperately however they would have been too weak to do it, as proved by the absense of Jas. And I think that you might overesitmate the powers the Elder Gods have.

 

Guthix could be more powerful than Elder Gods too, in some ways and weaker in others. It's not something we know a lot about.

 

There's no clear evidence that Guthix is weaker than the Elder Gods.

 

However, considering they have the power to create planes, while Guthix does not, it's fairly possible they're stronger, or even a lot stronger.

 

 

 

Your theory is also a possiblity, perhaps they can only create planes when they're together, and apart are very weak. There's nothing flawed with that theory but for some reason the first one fits better in my head.

Does it actually say Guthix can't create planes or did it just say he can one shape ones?

 

I don't think it's ever been revealed if he can or can't, just that he didn't create this one.

[Misterknowitall]

Actually, my point was that the two Elder Gods when working as a pair, are powerful enough to create and shape a plane. Seperately however they would have been too weak to do it, as proved by the absense of Jas. And I think that you might overesitmate the powers the Elder Gods have.

 

Guthix could be more powerful than Elder Gods too, in some ways and weaker in others. It's not something we know a lot about.

 

There's no clear evidence that Guthix is weaker than the Elder Gods.

 

However, considering they have the power to create planes, while Guthix does not, it's fairly possible they're stronger, or even a lot stronger.

 

 

 

Your theory is also a possiblity, perhaps they can only create planes when they're together, and apart are very weak. There's nothing flawed with that theory but for some reason the first one fits better in my head.

Does it actually say Guthix can't create planes or did it just say he can one shape ones?

 

I don't think it's ever been revealed if he can or can't, just that he didn't create this one.

Or that he can even repeat that proces without the Stone.

 

And I especially love the idea of seeing more of the past. Maybe Zaros will show it when He's back :pray:

[Romy]

I just noticed something very strange in the Runescape Wiki (yes, I know anyone can edit it, but considering it is true):

Guthix is the only indigenous god of Gielinor

 

Being indigenous of Runescape, doesn't it mean his origins are possibly the Elder Gods? Perhaps he's someone's son (or daugter, whatever his gender is) which would also imply why he has the power to shape the world? Just like the Elder Gods have the power to create it?

 

 

According to the Runescape Wiki again, Guthix cannot create planes. Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but that's what the Wiki says:

Guthix, not powerful enough to create a plane of his own, shaped the world and named it Gielinor. Apparently he did not try to hide the knowledge of the Elder Gods at first, willingly sharing this information with the first humans to be brought through the Portal of Life.