Will Zaros Bring the Balance Back?

[Karvinen]

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This has been lost in the shuffle of the graves, but I think all the God technically sapeaking how the power to destroy Gielinor, but no one wanted to do this and they merely fought for control of it. The reason why Guthix wasn't challenged is because he would destroy it before he'd let them take it over or let their fighting destroy it instead. They knew he'd do it so they all backed down.

 

It's kind of a funny argument though, "If you guys don't stop fighting and destroying Gielinor I'm going to destroy Gielinor." Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

 

Wrong.

 

Guthix is notably more powerful than the other gods and has been clearly referenced in the past as being able to destroy them if he so wished.

 

Gods only have power in their area. Ergo Zamorak is Chaos - he only has power over Chaos. Bandos is war he only has power over war.

Guthix is the only one with Nature and therefore is the only one hu can destory the world.

Wouldn't Seren be able to destroy all the life with the power of Anima Mundi?

 

 

No proof Seren has access to the Anima Mundi. It's only ever come up in Gnome stories.

 

We reconnected a Spirit Tree to Anima Mundi with a Serenist item, crystal chimes. It's proven: Seren is the goddess of Anima Mundi.

[Sy_Accursed]

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This has been lost in the shuffle of the graves, but I think all the God technically sapeaking how the power to destroy Gielinor, but no one wanted to do this and they merely fought for control of it. The reason why Guthix wasn't challenged is because he would destroy it before he'd let them take it over or let their fighting destroy it instead. They knew he'd do it so they all backed down.

 

It's kind of a funny argument though, "If you guys don't stop fighting and destroying Gielinor I'm going to destroy Gielinor." Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

 

Wrong.

 

Guthix is notably more powerful than the other gods and has been clearly referenced in the past as being able to destroy them if he so wished.

 

Gods only have power in their area. Ergo Zamorak is Chaos - he only has power over Chaos. Bandos is war he only has power over war.

Guthix is the only one with Nature and therefore is the only one hu can destory the world.

Wouldn't Seren be able to destroy all the life with the power of Anima Mundi?

 

 

No proof Seren has access to the Anima Mundi. It's only ever come up in Gnome stories.

 

We reconnected a Spirit Tree to Anima Mundi with a Serenist item, crystal chimes. It's proven: Seren is the goddess of Anima Mundi.

 

That's not proof that Seren relates to the anima munda.

That proves that anima mundi responds to high pitched sounds and ancient magics, as present in the crystal items made my elves.

But it dosen't prove Seren has any direct relation to the Anima Mundi

[Hajutze]

 

No proof Seren has access to the Anima Mundi. It's only ever come up in Gnome stories.

That sounds stupid considering that most of the information about the gods is someones theory (ingame) or stories ...

[Demoli]

@Libs: Following all the stories, tales and quests, Guthix IS the most powerfull god, followed by zaros in his peak of power, the other gods just control their respective followers and fractions, hence why armadyl left Gielinor before the end of God Wars, he didn't have any followers by then, he now doesnt come back thanks to the Guthix Elidicts.

 

@Seren thingy: No books/tales provide information on how Seren controls Anima Mundi, she might just be able to have influence over it...

[aspeeder]

While Zaros represents destruction (the natural opposite of creation), it is Zamorak who has corrupted this purpose with greed and wrath. Zammy kind of reminds me of Loki. Also don't confuse Zaros' purpose with the Devourer, she's more of a pain/death kind of gal. Don't think she hates us, these constant attempts to kill us are just her way of making friends. :D

 

Zaros was holding up the other half of a world which lived in relative peace and a time where people were content to enjoy what used to be fertile territory. It seems like even the wilderness used to be a nice place even with Zaros' temples firmly planted about the whole area, but after he was banished the stupid wars with Zamorak ruined everything there.

 

So, who really started this conflict? I'm not really clear why everybody turned against Zaros at that point in time and would like to know more.

 

Hm.

 

But I'm starting to think that Guthix is actually the sentient mind of Gielinor or something, and was given form by whoever those ancients were.

 

Man, those other gods are gonna be mad when they figure out what's happening.

 

So basically you are likening Zaros and Guthix to the avatars from Soul Wars? That doesn't seem right, especially when you consider Guthix didn't create the world (Though he did create nature to rule) and that we have seen no unjustifiable destruction by Zaros (I would be pissed off at anyone who banished me).

 

i don't think Zaros was a destroyer. He wouldn't have built cities if he was a God of destruction. He would have ravaged them. I think he may have been a kind of neutral God. Perhaps simply a conqueror like Alexander the Great or the Roman Empire. They were hated by a lot of people because they took over, but they weren't evil and actually were very beneficial to the lands they conquered. I believe the other gods may have simply opposed him because he subjugated their territory. I think perhaps Zaros simply sees most of the other gods as pretenders to his throne. It seems like he may value might and order under his rule above all else.

 

Edit: This is partly coming from the quote about surrounding himself with the minions of evil, and their likelihood of turning on him, and partly from Azzanadra's statements about his "order and peace." It seems he simply recruited the most powerful minions he could find regardless of their alignment. This would certainly support my theories.

 

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This seems the most likely to me, though that means that Zaros' followers are only waiting for his restoration to gain power (EX: the Bandits want a larger power base, no larger motal following).

[Ts_Stormrage]

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In Temple of Ikov, another RuneScape Classic quest (the first Mahjarrat quest, by the way), the Armadyl Guardians mention Azzanadra, the Mahjarrat who was revealed in Desert Treasure (RS2) quest much later.

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Do you, or anyone else, happen to have a transcript of this?

 

 

BTW, know that I'm following this thread in great detail and with great interest...

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[Troacctid]

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In Temple of Ikov, another RuneScape Classic quest (the first Mahjarrat quest, by the way), the Armadyl Guardians mention Azzanadra, the Mahjarrat who was revealed in Desert Treasure (RS2) quest much later.

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Do you, or anyone else, happen to have a transcript of this?

 

 

BTW, know that I'm following this thread in great detail and with great interest...

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Around 6:40.

[Karvinen]

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In Temple of Ikov, another RuneScape Classic quest (the first Mahjarrat quest, by the way), the Armadyl Guardians mention Azzanadra, the Mahjarrat who was revealed in Desert Treasure (RS2) quest much later.

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Do you, or anyone else, happen to have a transcript of this?

 

 

BTW, know that I'm following this thread in great detail and with great interest...

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Yes.

 

6:42

 

guardian of Armadyl:Many evil souls would like to get their hands on what lies here

guardian of Armadyl:Especially the mahjarrat

player: Who are the mahjarrat?

guardian of Armadyl:Ancient powerful beings

guardian of Armadyl:They are very evil

guardian of Armadyl:They were said to once dominate this plane of existance

guardian of Armadyl:Zamorak was said to once have been of their stock

guardian of Armadyl:They are few in number and have less power these days

guardian of Armadyl:Some still have presence in this world in their liche forms

guardian of Armadyl:Mahjarrat such as lucien and azzanadra would become extremely powerful

guardian of Armadyl:If they got their hands on the staff of armadyl

 

An interesting thing here is that the guardians mention the word "liche". A lich or liche is a character who has moved his soul to an external object (or multiple objects), like Voldemort in Harry Potter and Koschei the Deathless in Russian mythology.

 

Liches have commonly large zombie armies (both Lucien and Zemouregal have attacked Varrock with zombies).

[whyareall]

Regarding the (+) and (x) grave symbols:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the very first time we ever saw (x) during the Digsite Quest, on the Ancient Symbol?

The same quest where we later found a stone tablet in the now abandoned altar of Zaros, which said "Tremble mortals, before the altar of our dread lord Zaros"?

Basically, hasn't the (x) symbol been associated with Zaros right from the very beginning?

 

Regarding Zaros' power/role

The 'god of Entropy' role suggested was actually Amascut's role, before her corruption, and now seems to be filled by Icthlarin.

 

Zaros was always clearly the most powerful god (with the exception of Guthix): in the Ghostly Robes miniquest, we find out that a Saradominist wizard enchanted the Staff of Armadyl to make it undetectable by Zaros, rather than reacquiring the weapon capable of killing a god among other things. Given the Saradominist's activity with regards to power, especially artifacts (Entrana artifact, anyone? Saradomin stars in the Monk of Zamorak chapel? White Knights (read Betrayal at Falador to understand this)?) they seem to want to not only have power, but let people know it. Letting one of the most powerful weapons in the world just slip through their grasp in order for Zaros to be killed means Saradominists must have considered Zaros as an extremely dangerous foe. Even the Wise Old Man will tell you to not speak of Zaros if you bring it up.

 

Also, during the God Wars which almost destroyed the world, Saradominist and Zamorakian forces, the bitterest of foes, would team up to destroy the remnants of the Zarosian Empire (this was after Zamorak had been banished and then come back, so Zaros had been gone quite a while).

 

When Zaros was once mentioned in the God Letters to Zamorak, the reply made it obvious that Zamorak still feared Zaros.

 

So basically, all the other factions on the planet at the time viewed Zaros as the Big Bad, and a massive threat to them. A god of entropy or the balance to Guthix would not be seen as such a foe.

[Wkw]

History is written by the winners.I'm sure very few people here are from Russia, am I right?

 

Well, Western society labels Russians as bad, evil, soviets, commies. And the like.

They also label all Germans from the 1940s as Nazis. Were they all? No.

 

Considering that there is no first hand proof that Saradomin and Zamorakian forces fought to take down the rest of Zarosians (with the exception of Azzaranda) we can't know about this.

 

We also do not even know what Zaros is the god off. Perhaps he is the god of Peace? He kept everything under his thunb so nobody could fight. People wanted to fight.

 

Hell you could even say Zaros would be some sort of corrupt government! You don't like what he is doing, you view him in a negative light, but what he is doing is not hurting you.

[@Dan3HitU]

I believe he's called the "Empty Lord" for a reason; he has no meanings, no drive to reach a goal (eg; Zamorak is to destroy the Saradominsts') I believe Zaros simply does what he wants when he wants, doesn't fight but when he fights he does it for a reason.

 

I believe he's not the counter-balance, he's the balance.

 

Jagex have said, with every action there is a reaction, same as a balance, there's a counter balance.

 

The only way we'll know for sure is by asking Jagex themselves, preferably one of the ones from the very start which is only 3 people; Andrew, Paul and Mark.

[Romy]

I believe he's called the "Empty Lord" for a reason; he has no meanings, no drive to reach a goal (eg; Zamorak is to destroy the Saradominsts') I believe Zaros simply does what he wants when he wants, doesn't fight but when he fights he does it for a reason.

 

I believe he's not the counter-balance, he's the balance.

 

Jagex have said, with every action there is a reaction, same as a balance, there's a counter balance.

 

The only way we'll know for sure is by asking Jagex themselves, preferably one of the ones from the very start which is only 3 people; Andrew, Paul and Mark.

 

OR wait for new quests to be released....

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I'm a Russian. I was born there and was adopted by a family in Florida, where I live. I'm not a soviet. I'm a fervent capitalist. I'm fairly benign and not all that evil. I can be bad though. Very bad. :^_^:

[stonewall337]

I'm a Russian. I was born there and was adopted by a family in Florida, where I live. I'm not a soviet. I'm a fervent capitalist. I'm fairly benign and not all that evil. I can be bad though. Very bad. :^_^:

 

My GF was adopted from Russia.

 

We all know you are bad MLH....You don't have to tell us.

[Romy]

I'm a Russian. I was born there and was adopted by a family in Florida, where I live. I'm not a soviet. I'm a fervent capitalist. I'm fairly benign and not all that evil. I can be bad though. Very bad. :^_^:

 

My GF was adopted from Russia.

 

We all know you are bad MLH....You don't have to tell us.

 

Lol...

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I'm not evil though. I'm just grumpy, sarcastic, critical, outspoken, and a bit abrasive. I'm the baby, gotta love me! <3:

[Dormado]

I'm not evil though. I'm just grumpy, sarcastic, critical, outspoken, and a bit abrasive. I'm the baby, gotta love me! <3:

 

I do

[Wkw]

Alright, you're Russian. So do you like how America always looks down upon Russia because of Commies and the cold war?

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes well, the 20th century wasn't the best century for us. But hey, we got to be one of the biggest superpowers in the history of the world right? Well before the eventual economic and social collapse of an unsustainable welfare state. I don't sweat that because the US is heading down that path soon. Only difference is your path will be paved with good intentions. And it'll only be helped by electing Presidents and Congresses that love to spend you and your children into economic hell. :thumbup:

[Blutters]

Yes well, the 20th century wasn't the best century for us. But hey, we got to be one of the biggest superpowers in the history of the world right? Well before the eventual economic and social collapse of an unsustainable welfare state. I don't sweat that because the US is heading down that path soon. Only difference is your path will be paved with good intentions. And it'll only be helped by electing Presidents and Congresses that love to spend you and your children into economic hell. :thumbup:

=D> Start saving up for those plane tickets to Europe!

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes well, the 20th century wasn't the best century for us. But hey, we got to be one of the biggest superpowers in the history of the world right? Well before the eventual economic and social collapse of an unsustainable welfare state. I don't sweat that because the US is heading down that path soon. Only difference is your path will be paved with good intentions. And it'll only be helped by electing Presidents and Congresses that love to spend you and your children into economic hell. :thumbup:

=D> Start saving up for those plane tickets to Europe!

 

Or we could load you all up in gigantic top heavy boats and hope you don't come across any stray icebergs? :)

[Ts_Stormrage]

MHL; in your opinion, where do you think the EU, past, present and its wannabees fit in this scenario?

[walka92]

i *think* we may have gone a little offtopic here...

[Me_Hate_Libs]

jeez, Zaros isn't gonna come back and try to get the Tz-hzaars to join his empire and make them switch their tokkul into gp and then it loses 3/4 of it's value in a week is he?

[wab]

jeez, Zaros isn't gonna come back and try to get the Tz-hzaars to join his empire and make them switch their tokkul into gp and then it loses 3/4 of it's value in a week is he?

 

Don't try rumors to make furies stop skyrocketing :razz:

 

But, if jad use prayers it have to be connected to type of god...