Will Zaros Bring the Balance Back?

[Pr3c1pit0us]

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

The regular grave stones have the axis balanced.

 

Regular = (+)

 

Zaros = (X)

[Silver_Corner]

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

The regular grave stones have the axis balanced.

 

Regular = (+)

 

Zaros = (X)

 

Keep in mind just because the symbols look the same does not mean they are related.

 

For example: The mining cart in the death tunnels by dark beasts used to have an examine of Daeyalt ore. This was simply because the Dev time re-used the model instead of wasting time to code a completely new cart model.

 

The same case could be for the gravestones littered around the Runescape. Many of the same gravestone models may have used the generic symbol before Zaros's plotline was even put into development. The Dev teams likley just re-used the same model types so they didn't have to go about making tons and tons of new content where it wasn't important at the time.

 

It could be related, but unless Jagex gives further hints in books/documentation I would assume that it is simply re-use of a generic model and not any particular relation to Zaros.

[Pr3c1pit0us]

Keep in mind just because the symbols look the same does not mean they are related.

 

For example: The mining cart in the death tunnels by dark beasts used to have an examine of Daeyalt ore. This was simply because the Dev time re-used the model instead of wasting time to code a completely new cart model.

 

The same case could be for the gravestones littered around the Runescape. Many of the same gravestone models may have used the generic symbol before Zaros's plotline was even put into development. The Dev teams likley just re-used the same model types so they didn't have to go about making tons and tons of new content where it wasn't important at the time.

 

It could be related, but unless Jagex gives further hints in books/documentation I would assume that it is simply re-use of a generic model and not any particular relation to Zaros.

While I understand the insight, I've sat around and watched Jagex "sculpt" these quests from clues and hints. Yes, I will give in on the notion that they reuse textures and items.

 

However, some things they don't mess around with. The Digsite quest (which started the Zaros quest line) started 6 years ago. Plague City was just a year earlier.

 

It's personally my opinion (and with strong evidence) that Jagex will 'merge' all of these quest lines in the game. Waterfall quest being needed for Desert Treasure, probably the most significant Zaros quest other than Temple. Cursed ghosts outside Glariel's tomb? Damis just a block over from the tomb?

 

Too coincidental to be a coincidence.

[Junkmutt]

Okay so after reading this thread, considering that Zaros and Guthix are related by blood, Zaros is Guthix's distant younger/older? brother while Seren is Zaros' s close younger/older sister and Armadyl is, probably due to his reaction to the Aviansies probable (but false) extinction (crybaby), the youngest sibling of Zaros, Seren, and Guthix.

 

Also Saradomin could be considered the fair-by-my-terms neighbor to the above gods and Zamorak is the leader of the neighborhood gang 'Mahjarat Who hate Being ruled By gods who are not Mahjarat' (the name was later changed to 'The Mahjarats who hate Zaros').

 

So the story goes like this: Zamorak and 'The Mahjarats who hate Zaros' found a special weapon and killed Zaros and attained godhood. Zamorak, wanting all of Zaros's territory started his invasion. But, Saradomin decided that it wasn't fair that Zamorak got all of the new land and he started a war with Zamorak in Zaros's lands thus the god wars.

 

Guthix, who is extremely angry about being woken up (doesn't know that Zaros is his brother because he is distant from him), goes to Zaros's land and WTFPWNS Zamorak and Saradomin banishing them from town and setting up a wall to keep them out.

 

Now we are in the present (I guess) and Zaros has been reconnected via 1-800-PHONE-A-PSEUDO-DECEASED-GOD by his close friend and manservant-for-life Azzandra. AND HE'S PISSED AT ZAMORAK.

 

 

More on topic:

Zaros is the god of nothingness

Zamorak and Saradomin are gods of something

Guthix likes it when something has nothing to balance it out.

Guthix is happy.

Guthix sleeps.

......Not.....much.....longer.....(he wants 5 more years tbh but he has to get up anyway).

[Cheezy_Power]

As it was said, "Guthix should remember well that for every balance there is a counterbalance". From what I can tell from the followers of guthixs, they seem to be peaceful, more one-with-nature sort-of folk. Every thing being said about Zaros seems to point to Zaros being the counterbalance of Guthix. His big cities for example. They seem rather similar too. Well, not really similar. Something such as what Saradomin is to Zamorak, is what Guthix is to Zaros. I'm sure you get what I mean. Could be possible that Armadyl goes along with Bandos as well. From what little I know, it would seem possible with Seren and Flamtaer (that deity once worshiped around Mort'ton, before the icyene arrived I believe).

[Karvinen]

Keep in mind just because the symbols look the same does not mean they are related.

 

For example: The mining cart in the death tunnels by dark beasts used to have an examine of Daeyalt ore. This was simply because the Dev time re-used the model instead of wasting time to code a completely new cart model.

 

The same case could be for the gravestones littered around the Runescape. Many of the same gravestone models may have used the generic symbol before Zaros's plotline was even put into development. The Dev teams likley just re-used the same model types so they didn't have to go about making tons and tons of new content where it wasn't important at the time.

 

It could be related, but unless Jagex gives further hints in books/documentation I would assume that it is simply re-use of a generic model and not any particular relation to Zaros.

While I understand the insight, I've sat around and watched Jagex "sculpt" these quests from clues and hints. Yes, I will give in on the notion that they reuse textures and items.

 

However, some things they don't mess around with. The Digsite quest (which started the Zaros quest line) started 6 years ago. Plague City was just a year earlier.

 

It's personally my opinion (and with strong evidence) that Jagex will 'merge' all of these quest lines in the game. Waterfall quest being needed for Desert Treasure, probably the most significant Zaros quest other than Temple. Cursed ghosts outside Glariel's tomb? Damis just a block over from the tomb?

 

Too coincidental to be a coincidence.

I doubt Jagex would be so unprofessional to put a Zaros symbol on Glarial's grave without meaning it. The Daeyalt "leak" is now removed, unlike the Zaros symbol.

 

Waterfall Dungeon - Shadow Spiders (they drain prayer, like Barrows and Ancient Magicks altar)

Temple of Light - Shadows

Damis Dungeon - Shadow Hounds, Azzanadra's Shadow Diamond

 

That's more evidence to the connection of Elven and Zarosian / Mahjarrat storylines. Also, the Dark Elves are trying to summon a mysterious "Dark Lord", who is rumoured to be Zamorak the Mahjarrat God, the arch-enemy of Zaros.

 

[spoiler=Sliske theory]

Because of the shadow monsters in the Temple of Light, my theory is that Thorgel the dwarf is one of the forms in which we have seen Sliske, the Zarosian Mahjarrat, who delves the "shadows" and has strong shapeshifting abilities.

 

Dwarves can't use magic without being combined with ogres (result: Chaos Dwogre). For a dwarf, Thorgel knows way too much about magic to be a real dwarf.

 

Sliske is much more skilled with shapeshifting than the other Mahjarrat, so most likely we have met Sliske in multiple different forms (Thorgel being one of them).

 

If the "Dark Lord" is Zamorak, Sliske has a motive to plot against the Dark Elves.

 

 

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

The regular grave stones have the axis balanced.

 

Regular = (+)

 

Zaros = (X)

I looked at a screenshot of the Salarin dungeon graves. There is a + in circle. They may not be Zarosian graves. However, the symbol on Glarial's grave is exactly like Zaros symbol (x in a circle).

[Blutters]

Keep in mind just because the symbols look the same does not mean they are related.

 

For example: The mining cart in the death tunnels by dark beasts used to have an examine of Daeyalt ore. This was simply because the Dev time re-used the model instead of wasting time to code a completely new cart model.

 

The same case could be for the gravestones littered around the Runescape. Many of the same gravestone models may have used the generic symbol before Zaros's plotline was even put into development. The Dev teams likley just re-used the same model types so they didn't have to go about making tons and tons of new content where it wasn't important at the time.

 

It could be related, but unless Jagex gives further hints in books/documentation I would assume that it is simply re-use of a generic model and not any particular relation to Zaros.

While I understand the insight, I've sat around and watched Jagex "sculpt" these quests from clues and hints. Yes, I will give in on the notion that they reuse textures and items.

 

However, some things they don't mess around with. The Digsite quest (which started the Zaros quest line) started 6 years ago. Plague City was just a year earlier.

 

It's personally my opinion (and with strong evidence) that Jagex will 'merge' all of these quest lines in the game. Waterfall quest being needed for Desert Treasure, probably the most significant Zaros quest other than Temple. Cursed ghosts outside Glariel's tomb? Damis just a block over from the tomb?

 

Too coincidental to be a coincidence.

I doubt Jagex would be so unprofessional to put a Zaros symbol on Glarial's grave without meaning it. The Daeyalt "leak" is now removed, unlike the Zaros symbol.

 

Waterfall Dungeon - Shadow Spiders (they drain prayer, like Barrows and Ancient Magicks altar)

Temple of Light - Shadows

Damis Dungeon - Shadow Hounds, Azzanadra's Shadow Diamond

 

That's more evidence to the connection of Elven and Zarosian / Mahjarrat storylines. Also, the Dark Elves are trying to summon a mysterious "Dark Lord", who is rumoured to be Zamorak the Mahjarrat God, the arch-enemy of Zaros.

 

[spoiler=Sliske theory]

Because of the shadow monsters in the Temple of Light, my theory is that Thorgel the dwarf is one of the forms in which we have seen Sliske, the Zarosian Mahjarrat, who delves the "shadows" and has strong shapeshifting abilities.

 

Dwarves can't use magic without being combined with ogres (result: Chaos Dwogre). For a dwarf, Thorgel knows way too much about magic to be a real dwarf.

 

Sliske is much more skilled with shapeshifting than the other Mahjarrat, so most likely we have met Sliske in multiple different forms (Thorgel being one of them).

 

If the "Dark Lord" is Zamorak, Sliske has a motive to plot against the Dark Elves.

 

 

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

The regular grave stones have the axis balanced.

 

Regular = (+)

 

Zaros = (X)

I looked at a screenshot of the Salarin dungeon graves. There is a + in circle. They may not be Zarosian graves. However, the symbol on Glarial's grave is exactly like Zaros symbol (x in a circle).

The whole shadows angle fits well, but again, Shadow Spiders are very old. It's coincidental. Also, I don't think that the Waterfall Quest is actually considered part of the elf storyline, just like the Dwarf Cannon quest involves dwarves but isn't part of the main dwarf quest line.

I know for a fact that I've seen the same grave in other places, such as the wilderness graveyards, a hill in the wilderness, Ardougne ghetto, and in generally older areas. The examine is something like "They must have really cared for the inhabitant"...

To say that they are not 'unprofessional enough' to put that there is also a leap of faith. The most recent example would be them using the Vengeance animation in Within the Light! Vengeance is a high level spell and reusing its highly unique animation seems unprofessional to me.

 

The reason that the mine carts were changed and not this could be one of two things. The first would be that all they had to do was change the examine for the mine carts. The other could be that since so few people visit Glarial's Tomb, and even fewer are paying attention to such details during the quest, it has simply been overlooked. Mourning's End II doesn't have what could be considered an essential reward like Roving Elves does (Crystal Bow) meaning that more people would play through Roving Elves simply for the reward than they would Mourning's End II.

[mega_vegeta6]

What if Zaros is the balance of Guthix? He is the god of balance, so he needs something to balance himself.

 

Zaros could be totally neutral, keeping the balance opposite Guthix. 'Empty lord' would suggest he is neutral, and actually has little or no effect, which would put him nicely as the balance of Guthix who has a large effect (when awake) and is also neutral.

This, except that i want to add to it.

 

Both are neutral, but have different views and are opposites of eachother. They do not interfere unless their own balance is disrupted. Much like light and darkness collide, and very much unlike good versus evil. When Zamorak took zaros out, Then Guthix powers expanded, due to the lack of any competition from any direction. There was nothing to hold Guthix back, and as such, Guthix was forced to act. His motive was to restore balance upon himself. Do note that this assumes that Zaros is either another god of balance, or completley neutral, i.e. Zaros is oblivious to everything, and goes with the flow, although possessing great powers. Enough for being able to not be used by the other dieties. other than guthix that only needs the counterpart.

 

The reason Zamorak succeeded can be laid on the powers he borrowed from others, and the fact that no god has yet to actually die. As such, assuming Zaros was oblivious, unafraid of it's own perish, the powers zamorak took might not have been stolen, but given or simply shared.

 

I base this on: Marrahjat<lower Gods<Gods<Guthix

and: Guthix = Zaros or Guthix < Zaros or that Zaros = oo (<- Fail at infinity sign)

 

Ofcourse, it could just be that Zaros is the ultimate being, in the flesh rather than the other gods who seem more likley to use images of themselves like bandos did. This does not make as much sense as the one above though.

[boatracer22]

Keep in mind just because the symbols look the same does not mean they are related.

 

For example: The mining cart in the death tunnels by dark beasts used to have an examine of Daeyalt ore. This was simply because the Dev time re-used the model instead of wasting time to code a completely new cart model.

 

The same case could be for the gravestones littered around the Runescape. Many of the same gravestone models may have used the generic symbol before Zaros's plotline was even put into development. The Dev teams likley just re-used the same model types so they didn't have to go about making tons and tons of new content where it wasn't important at the time.

 

It could be related, but unless Jagex gives further hints in books/documentation I would assume that it is simply re-use of a generic model and not any particular relation to Zaros.

While I understand the insight, I've sat around and watched Jagex "sculpt" these quests from clues and hints. Yes, I will give in on the notion that they reuse textures and items.

 

However, some things they don't mess around with. The Digsite quest (which started the Zaros quest line) started 6 years ago. Plague City was just a year earlier.

 

It's personally my opinion (and with strong evidence) that Jagex will 'merge' all of these quest lines in the game. Waterfall quest being needed for Desert Treasure, probably the most significant Zaros quest other than Temple. Cursed ghosts outside Glariel's tomb? Damis just a block over from the tomb?

 

Too coincidental to be a coincidence.

I doubt Jagex would be so unprofessional to put a Zaros symbol on Glarial's grave without meaning it. The Daeyalt "leak" is now removed, unlike the Zaros symbol.

 

Waterfall Dungeon - Shadow Spiders (they drain prayer, like Barrows and Ancient Magicks altar)

Temple of Light - Shadows

Damis Dungeon - Shadow Hounds, Azzanadra's Shadow Diamond

 

That's more evidence to the connection of Elven and Zarosian / Mahjarrat storylines. Also, the Dark Elves are trying to summon a mysterious "Dark Lord", who is rumoured to be Zamorak the Mahjarrat God, the arch-enemy of Zaros.

 

[spoiler=Sliske theory]

Because of the shadow monsters in the Temple of Light, my theory is that Thorgel the dwarf is one of the forms in which we have seen Sliske, the Zarosian Mahjarrat, who delves the "shadows" and has strong shapeshifting abilities.

 

Dwarves can't use magic without being combined with ogres (result: Chaos Dwogre). For a dwarf, Thorgel knows way too much about magic to be a real dwarf.

 

Sliske is much more skilled with shapeshifting than the other Mahjarrat, so most likely we have met Sliske in multiple different forms (Thorgel being one of them).

 

If the "Dark Lord" is Zamorak, Sliske has a motive to plot against the Dark Elves.

 

 

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

The regular grave stones have the axis balanced.

 

Regular = (+)

 

Zaros = (X)

I looked at a screenshot of the Salarin dungeon graves. There is a + in circle. They may not be Zarosian graves. However, the symbol on Glarial's grave is exactly like Zaros symbol (x in a circle).

The whole shadows angle fits well, but again, Shadow Spiders are very old. It's coincidental. Also, I don't think that the Waterfall Quest is actually considered part of the elf storyline, just like the Dwarf Cannon quest involves dwarves but isn't part of the main dwarf quest line.

I know for a fact that I've seen the same grave in other places, such as the wilderness graveyards, a hill in the wilderness, Ardougne ghetto, and in generally older areas. The examine is something like "They must have really cared for the inhabitant"...

To say that they are not 'unprofessional enough' to put that there is also a leap of faith. The most recent example would be them using the Vengeance animation in Within the Light! Vengeance is a high level spell and reusing its highly unique animation seems unprofessional to me.

 

The reason that the mine carts were changed and not this could be one of two things. The first would be that all they had to do was change the examine for the mine carts. The other could be that since so few people visit Glarial's Tomb, and even fewer are paying attention to such details during the quest, it has simply been overlooked. Mourning's End II doesn't have what could be considered an essential reward like Roving Elves does (Crystal Bow) meaning that more people would play through Roving Elves simply for the reward than they would Mourning's End II.

 

I would hide this but i am un familer on how to hid on the new forums....

 

If what you say is true then it only supports the above theories because the wilderness was zaros's domain. And the above theory of the elves being related to zaros the ghetto are very close to elven land....

[magzar]

What if Zaros is the balance of Guthix? He is the god of balance, so he needs something to balance himself.

 

Zaros could be totally neutral, keeping the balance opposite Guthix. 'Empty lord' would suggest he is neutral, and actually has little or no effect, which would put him nicely as the balance of Guthix who has a large effect (when awake) and is also neutral.

This, except that i want to add to it.

 

Both are neutral, but have different views and are opposites of eachother. They do not interfere unless their own balance is disrupted. Much like light and darkness collide, and very much unlike good versus evil. When Zamorak took zaros out, Then Guthix powers expanded, due to the lack of any competition from any direction. There was nothing to hold Guthix back, and as such, Guthix was forced to act. His motive was to restore balance upon himself. Do note that this assumes that Zaros is either another god of balance, or completley neutral, i.e. Zaros is oblivious to everything, and goes with the flow, although possessing great powers. Enough for being able to not be used by the other dieties. other than guthix that only needs the counterpart.

 

The reason Zamorak succeeded can be laid on the powers he borrowed from others, and the fact that no god has yet to actually die. As such, assuming Zaros was oblivious, unafraid of it's own perish, the powers zamorak took might not have been stolen, but given or simply shared.

 

I base this on: Marrahjat<lower Gods<Gods<Guthix

and: Guthix = Zaros or Guthix < Zaros or that Zaros = oo (<- Fail at infinity sign)

 

Ofcourse, it could just be that Zaros is the ultimate being, in the flesh rather than the other gods who seem more likley to use images of themselves like bandos did. This does not make as much sense as the one above though.

 

 

There's a flaw in this. Zaros is not as powerful as Guthix. The other gods fought against Zaros, but when guthix stepped up and said "knock it off and get the hell out" they did it, no questions asked.

 

Also i doubt Zaros is a counterbalance to guthix, because the counterbalance to balance would be entropy, and that's just not what zaros is about.

[Troacctid]

There's a flaw in this. Zaros is not as powerful as Guthix. The other gods fought against Zaros, but when guthix stepped up and said "knock it off and get the hell out" they did it, no questions asked.

 

Also i doubt Zaros is a counterbalance to guthix, because the counterbalance to balance would be entropy, and that's just not what zaros is about.

Zamorak did the stabbing thing with Zaros before the God Wars. He was already gone; it was just his followers.

[magzar]

There's a flaw in this. Zaros is not as powerful as Guthix. The other gods fought against Zaros, but when guthix stepped up and said "knock it off and get the hell out" they did it, no questions asked.

 

Also i doubt Zaros is a counterbalance to guthix, because the counterbalance to balance would be entropy, and that's just not what zaros is about.

Zamorak did the stabbing thing with Zaros before the God Wars. He was already gone; it was just his followers.

 

no no no, see my point is zamorak was willing to fight against zaros. it seems so was Saradomin, and even some of the desert gods felt up to the challenge. However no one wanted to mess with Guthix when he got pissed off. Even with his new Godly powers Zamorak was like "oh ok well i'll just go play over here then shall i?" What i'm saying is they fought Zaros, but they fear Guthix.

[Troacctid]

There's a flaw in this. Zaros is not as powerful as Guthix. The other gods fought against Zaros, but when guthix stepped up and said "knock it off and get the hell out" they did it, no questions asked.

 

Also i doubt Zaros is a counterbalance to guthix, because the counterbalance to balance would be entropy, and that's just not what zaros is about.

Zamorak did the stabbing thing with Zaros before the God Wars. He was already gone; it was just his followers.

 

no no no, see my point is zamorak was willing to fight against zaros. it seems so was Saradomin, and even some of the desert gods felt up to the challenge. However no one wanted to mess with Guthix when he got pissed off. Even with his new Godly powers Zamorak was like "oh ok well i'll just go play over here then shall i?" What i'm saying is they fought Zaros, but they fear Guthix.

Remember that Zamorak is believed to have been in possession of the Stone of Jas around the time he challenged Zaros. We don't really know what happened to it afterwards; it's not likely that he still had it by the time Guthix woke up again.

[magzar]

There's a flaw in this. Zaros is not as powerful as Guthix. The other gods fought against Zaros, but when guthix stepped up and said "knock it off and get the hell out" they did it, no questions asked.

 

Also i doubt Zaros is a counterbalance to guthix, because the counterbalance to balance would be entropy, and that's just not what zaros is about.

Zamorak did the stabbing thing with Zaros before the God Wars. He was already gone; it was just his followers.

 

no no no, see my point is zamorak was willing to fight against zaros. it seems so was Saradomin, and even some of the desert gods felt up to the challenge. However no one wanted to mess with Guthix when he got pissed off. Even with his new Godly powers Zamorak was like "oh ok well i'll just go play over here then shall i?" What i'm saying is they fought Zaros, but they fear Guthix.

Remember that Zamorak is believed to have been in possession of the Stone of Jas around the time he challenged Zaros. We don't really know what happened to it afterwards; it's not likely that he still had it by the time Guthix woke up again.

 

True, however Zamorak wasn't the only one to fight Zaros. Others tried as well. Now name one god who ever dared to fight Guthix. With Zaros it was like he was saying "bow before me or I will crush you to dust." He then proceeded to crush his enemies to dust one by one. Obviously he was very powerful. Next we have Guthix. Guthix wakes up, and he's pissed and here i will make a comparison.

 

Guthix is a parent who is a bit overworked and has been working double shifts and finally manages to get in a little time for a nap. The god wars, are like Guthix's children yelling and fighting in the living room. Guthix wakes up, storms into the living room, throws something against the wall and proceeds to shout "IF YOU KIDS DON'T SHUT THE HELL UP AND GET OUTSIDE I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL BURN THE [bleep]ING HOUSE DOWN WITH YOU IN IT!!!!"

 

The other gods then proceed to do as they're told. The difference here is Zaros uses a show of force to frighten his enemies. All Guthix has to do is make a threat and all the other gods are basically wetting themselves.

[Karvinen]

[spoiler=quote chain]

Keep in mind just because the symbols look the same does not mean they are related.

 

For example: The mining cart in the death tunnels by dark beasts used to have an examine of Daeyalt ore. This was simply because the Dev time re-used the model instead of wasting time to code a completely new cart model.

 

The same case could be for the gravestones littered around the Runescape. Many of the same gravestone models may have used the generic symbol before Zaros's plotline was even put into development. The Dev teams likley just re-used the same model types so they didn't have to go about making tons and tons of new content where it wasn't important at the time.

 

It could be related, but unless Jagex gives further hints in books/documentation I would assume that it is simply re-use of a generic model and not any particular relation to Zaros.

While I understand the insight, I've sat around and watched Jagex "sculpt" these quests from clues and hints. Yes, I will give in on the notion that they reuse textures and items.

 

However, some things they don't mess around with. The Digsite quest (which started the Zaros quest line) started 6 years ago. Plague City was just a year earlier.

 

It's personally my opinion (and with strong evidence) that Jagex will 'merge' all of these quest lines in the game. Waterfall quest being needed for Desert Treasure, probably the most significant Zaros quest other than Temple. Cursed ghosts outside Glariel's tomb? Damis just a block over from the tomb?

 

Too coincidental to be a coincidence.

I doubt Jagex would be so unprofessional to put a Zaros symbol on Glarial's grave without meaning it. The Daeyalt "leak" is now removed, unlike the Zaros symbol.

 

Waterfall Dungeon - Shadow Spiders (they drain prayer, like Barrows and Ancient Magicks altar)

Temple of Light - Shadows

Damis Dungeon - Shadow Hounds, Azzanadra's Shadow Diamond

 

That's more evidence to the connection of Elven and Zarosian / Mahjarrat storylines. Also, the Dark Elves are trying to summon a mysterious "Dark Lord", who is rumoured to be Zamorak the Mahjarrat God, the arch-enemy of Zaros.

 

[spoiler=Sliske theory]

Because of the shadow monsters in the Temple of Light, my theory is that Thorgel the dwarf is one of the forms in which we have seen Sliske, the Zarosian Mahjarrat, who delves the "shadows" and has strong shapeshifting abilities.

 

Dwarves can't use magic without being combined with ogres (result: Chaos Dwogre). For a dwarf, Thorgel knows way too much about magic to be a real dwarf.

 

Sliske is much more skilled with shapeshifting than the other Mahjarrat, so most likely we have met Sliske in multiple different forms (Thorgel being one of them).

 

If the "Dark Lord" is Zamorak, Sliske has a motive to plot against the Dark Elves.

 

 

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

The regular grave stones have the axis balanced.

 

Regular = (+)

 

Zaros = (X)

I looked at a screenshot of the Salarin dungeon graves. There is a + in circle. They may not be Zarosian graves. However, the symbol on Glarial's grave is exactly like Zaros symbol (x in a circle).

 

The whole shadows angle fits well, but again, Shadow Spiders are very old. It's coincidental. Also, I don't think that the Waterfall Quest is actually considered part of the elf storyline, just like the Dwarf Cannon quest involves dwarves but isn't part of the main dwarf quest line.

I know for a fact that I've seen the same grave in other places, such as the wilderness graveyards, a hill in the wilderness, Ardougne ghetto, and in generally older areas. The examine is something like "They must have really cared for the inhabitant"...

To say that they are not 'unprofessional enough' to put that there is also a leap of faith. The most recent example would be them using the Vengeance animation in Within the Light! Vengeance is a high level spell and reusing its highly unique animation seems unprofessional to me.

 

The reason that the mine carts were changed and not this could be one of two things. The first would be that all they had to do was change the examine for the mine carts. The other could be that since so few people visit Glarial's Tomb, and even fewer are paying attention to such details during the quest, it has simply been overlooked. Mourning's End II doesn't have what could be considered an essential reward like Roving Elves does (Crystal Bow) meaning that more people would play through Roving Elves simply for the reward than they would Mourning's End II.

Roving Elves is a sequel to Waterfall, yet the new developer of the elf series considers RE a part of the main series.

 

Jagex had "the North" planned when they released Hazeel Cult in 2002: Hazeel talks about going North if you choose Hazeel's side. Mod Mark also said on the forums that they had the Stone of Jas planned during RSC times. In Temple of Ikov, another RuneScape Classic quest (the first Mahjarrat quest, by the way), the Armadyl Guardians mention Azzanadra, the Mahjarrat who was revealed in Desert Treasure (RS2) quest much later. So, saying that the Shadow Spiders are old doesn't really matter.

 

Vengeance is not a god symbol, so it can be reused without creating a religious connection. But wasn't it the Lunar Clan who created all the RC altars? Vengeance uses death runes, so it actually makes sense to have the same animation on the death altar.

 

Here's an example of another "Zarosian" grave. They are near the Ectofunctus and farming area of Morytania. BUT, if you look closely, it isn't the same Zarosian symbol as on the Ancient Staff and the Zarosian player gravestone. They are actually Celtic Crosses, which can be found on real life graves too.

 

Glarial's grave is probably the only grave where there REALLY is a Zaros symbol (8-pointed) instead of a Celtic cross (4-pointed). If you think it's a mistake, you should report it to Jagex.

 

Why do people think that merging storylines is somehow unlikely, even though Jagex has done it before. While Guthix Sleeps is a good example of a quest with merged storylines. If Zamorak really is the Dark Lord, the Elf and Mahjarrat series will merge very likely.

 

There are Dragonkin/Stone of Jas symbols in Spirit Realm of the castle near Wilderness demonic ruins. Do you think these are coincidence too? The castle already has a confirmed connection to the WGS storyline.

[Aneron]

In agreement.

 

This is a symbol of zaros.

 

 

These are the graves people speak of as being everywhere in rs (note the difference)

 

 

Although it seems jagex might have made a careless error, or the symbol is more universal idk

 

[Wkw]

No gods ever fought Zaros. They may of existed and had pieces of land under his rule, and did not like his rule, but they did not fight him. Once Zamorak killed him, that created a power vacuum that started the other gods fighting

 

The "grave" symbol is a t, for lack of better description, and Zaros is (X)

[Aneron]

No gods ever fought Zaros. They may of existed and had pieces of land under his rule, and did not like his rule, but they did not fight him. Once Zamorak killed him, that created a power vacuum that started the other gods fighting

 

The "grave" symbol is a t, for lack of better description, and Zaros is (X)

 

this looks like an X to me

 

[nameles]

Isn't that more like... A generic gravemarker? I think they have those in real life, that are shaped just like that. Kinda plain that they chose to make Zaros' symbol like that but oh well.

This same exact grave is found in many different places, with Salarin the Twisted's room being one, and various graveyards being others.

It was... Kind of a nice theory though...

Zaros gravestone from Keldagrim:

Exact same grave.

Yeah. And the larger version is old, and was probably out before there was even any development on Zaros. That's what I'm saying - The symbol is fairly generic and it's just a coincidence.

I think its zaros legacy from second age, people of gielinor just dont know its origin, and they use it as gravemarker, but in some cases origin is known..

[3hitm4g3u]

There's a flaw in this. Zaros is not as powerful as Guthix. The other gods fought against Zaros, but when guthix stepped up and said "knock it off and get the hell out" they did it, no questions asked.

 

Also i doubt Zaros is a counterbalance to guthix, because the counterbalance to balance would be entropy, and that's just not what zaros is about.

Zamorak did the stabbing thing with Zaros before the God Wars. He was already gone; it was just his followers.

 

no no no, see my point is zamorak was willing to fight against zaros. it seems so was Saradomin, and even some of the desert gods felt up to the challenge. However no one wanted to mess with Guthix when he got pissed off. Even with his new Godly powers Zamorak was like "oh ok well i'll just go play over here then shall i?" What i'm saying is they fought Zaros, but they fear Guthix.

Remember that Zamorak is believed to have been in possession of the Stone of Jas around the time he challenged Zaros. We don't really know what happened to it afterwards; it's not likely that he still had it by the time Guthix woke up again.

 

True, however Zamorak wasn't the only one to fight Zaros. Others tried as well. Now name one god who ever dared to fight Guthix. With Zaros it was like he was saying "bow before me or I will crush you to dust." He then proceeded to crush his enemies to dust one by one. Obviously he was very powerful. Next we have Guthix. Guthix wakes up, and he's pissed and here i will make a comparison.

 

Guthix is a parent who is a bit overworked and has been working double shifts and finally manages to get in a little time for a nap. The god wars, are like Guthix's children yelling and fighting in the living room. Guthix wakes up, storms into the living room, throws something against the wall and proceeds to shout "IF YOU KIDS DON'T SHUT THE HELL UP AND GET OUTSIDE I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL BURN THE [bleep]ING HOUSE DOWN WITH YOU IN IT!!!!"

 

The other gods then proceed to do as they're told. The difference here is Zaros uses a show of force to frighten his enemies. All Guthix has to do is make a threat and all the other gods are basically wetting themselves.

 

Guthix didn't threaten the Gods. He threatened to destroy Gielinor. No God wanted that to occur.

[@Dan3HitU]

Here's a big screenshot of the tomb of Glarial the Elven Queen.

There are a few of these around the map, maybe they're Zaros's warriors (kind of like Azzandra?)

[Me_Hate_Libs]

This has been lost in the shuffle of the graves, but I think all the God technically sapeaking how the power to destroy Gielinor, but no one wanted to do this and they merely fought for control of it. The reason why Guthix wasn't challenged is because he would destroy it before he'd let them take it over or let their fighting destroy it instead. They knew he'd do it so they all backed down.

 

It's kind of a funny argument though, "If you guys don't stop fighting and destroying Gielinor I'm going to destroy Gielinor." Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

[Sy_Accursed]

This has been lost in the shuffle of the graves, but I think all the God technically sapeaking how the power to destroy Gielinor, but no one wanted to do this and they merely fought for control of it. The reason why Guthix wasn't challenged is because he would destroy it before he'd let them take it over or let their fighting destroy it instead. They knew he'd do it so they all backed down.

 

It's kind of a funny argument though, "If you guys don't stop fighting and destroying Gielinor I'm going to destroy Gielinor." Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

 

Wrong.

 

Guthix is notably more powerful than the other gods and has been clearly referenced in the past as being able to destroy them if he so wished.

 

Gods only have power in their area. Ergo Zamorak is Chaos - he only has power over Chaos. Bandos is war he only has power over war.

Guthix is the only one with Nature and therefore is the only one hu can destory the world.

[Karvinen]

This has been lost in the shuffle of the graves, but I think all the God technically sapeaking how the power to destroy Gielinor, but no one wanted to do this and they merely fought for control of it. The reason why Guthix wasn't challenged is because he would destroy it before he'd let them take it over or let their fighting destroy it instead. They knew he'd do it so they all backed down.

 

It's kind of a funny argument though, "If you guys don't stop fighting and destroying Gielinor I'm going to destroy Gielinor." Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

 

Wrong.

 

Guthix is notably more powerful than the other gods and has been clearly referenced in the past as being able to destroy them if he so wished.

 

Gods only have power in their area. Ergo Zamorak is Chaos - he only has power over Chaos. Bandos is war he only has power over war.

Guthix is the only one with Nature and therefore is the only one hu can destory the world.

Wouldn't Seren be able to destroy all the life with the power of Anima Mundi?

[Sy_Accursed]

This has been lost in the shuffle of the graves, but I think all the God technically sapeaking how the power to destroy Gielinor, but no one wanted to do this and they merely fought for control of it. The reason why Guthix wasn't challenged is because he would destroy it before he'd let them take it over or let their fighting destroy it instead. They knew he'd do it so they all backed down.

 

It's kind of a funny argument though, "If you guys don't stop fighting and destroying Gielinor I'm going to destroy Gielinor." Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

 

Wrong.

 

Guthix is notably more powerful than the other gods and has been clearly referenced in the past as being able to destroy them if he so wished.

 

Gods only have power in their area. Ergo Zamorak is Chaos - he only has power over Chaos. Bandos is war he only has power over war.

Guthix is the only one with Nature and therefore is the only one hu can destory the world.

Wouldn't Seren be able to destroy all the life with the power of Anima Mundi?

 

No proof Seren has access to the Anima Mundi. It's only ever come up in Gnome stories.