I've been mulling over whether to use Deflect Range Curse when Slaying Dagg's in Chaos Tunnels.

 

My gut feeling is the extra pray drain won't be worth it, as you are only likely to get +1 hit when the Dagg's hit 10+ on you - although with between 5-10 Dagg's hitting you at any one time I guess this could mount up.

 

Has anyone used Deflect in a multi zone - if so how effective is it really?

 

As a discussion point, are these Deflect Curses actually beneficial, I've used at Steels & Dark Beasts & couldn't see any real benefit against the increased drain on pray.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

You do realize that the deflect prayers have the same drain as the regular prayers.. right?

You do realize that the deflect prayers have the same drain as the regular prayers.. right?

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You do realize that the deflect prayers have the same drain as the regular prayers.. right?

 

No I didn't - I assumed that Deflect Missile Curse being Lvl 68 would drain faster that standard protect range being only Lvl 40.

 

In that case my question has been answered & therefore Curses are obviously worth it !!!

 

Thanks guys

Deflect curses drain slightly less than normal prayers, whether you're getting hammered or not. So by all means curse at them dagganoths like a sailor.

 

Personally, I'm wondering what this prayerbook might contribute to Zamorak GWD through the use of Sap Mage or Leech Magic (on the mage mini that drives everyone insane, of course.) This could apply to other boss-hunting as well, though not as drastically.

 

Edit: I r slow poster. Still want to know thoughts on new prayers and bosshunting, though.

Deflect curses drain slightly less than normal prayers, whether you're getting hammered or not. So by all means curse at them dagganoths like a sailor.

 

Personally, I'm wondering what this prayerbook might contribute to Zamorak GWD through the use of Sap Mage or Leech Magic (on the mage mini that drives everyone insane, of course.) This could apply to other boss-hunting as well, though not as drastically.

 

Edit: I r slow poster. Still want to know thoughts on new prayers and bosshunting, though.

im pretty sure deflect curses and protection prayers drain the same. i timed it myself actually.

as for saps and leech prayers, im pretty sure they would be immensely useful for team GWD's. 10-25% defence drain alone would be worth it.

Corp beast teams already use statius hammers to get down the beast's defense as much as possible

I was curious about the prayer drain yesterday then I found this rs wiki article:

 

Ancient Curses

I was curious about the prayer drain yesterday then I found this rs wiki article:

 

Ancient Curses

 

 

Nice find Ermin :thumbsup:

Yeah curses are basically awesome except for several situations (if you want to boost mage/range, or give a lower than turmoil boost to a melee stat, or rapidly switch between melee and anything else)

 

the leeches drain pretty fast so it's pretty impractical to use them as a regular boost prayer

Yes, deflect and protection prayers drain at same rate. Timed it myself too. I find kind of annoying occasional "lag" in running when deflection ability works, though.

 

Leech prayers are very useful for boss fights that are not over in a few seconds. Although only 1 person should use them since they don't stack (did some trio cb without statius hammers that way and it went fine).

 

Not sure if leeches are worth it for slayer, I'd stick with piety if you can't use turmoil.

You do realize that the deflect prayers have the same drain as the regular prayers.. right?

 

No I didn't - I assumed that Deflect Missile Curse being Lvl 68 would drain faster that standard protect range being only Lvl 40.

 

In that case my question has been answered & therefore Curses are obviously worth it !!!

 

Thanks guys

 

I've heard, but haven't tested myself, that Turmoil (Lv. 95) has a slightly slower drain than Piety (Lv. 70).

 

The curses were made to drain less :P

Yes, deflect and protection prayers drain at same rate. Timed it myself too. I find kind of annoying occasional "lag" in running when deflection ability works, though.

 

Leech prayers are very useful for boss fights that are not over in a few seconds. Although only 1 person should use them since they don't stack (did some trio cb without statius hammers that way and it went fine).

 

Not sure if leeches are worth it for slayer, I'd stick with piety if you can't use turmoil.

For slayer, the Beserker prayer alone is enough to make me stay on Curses. 15% extra time from super pots, heck yes.

 

And also, could this create a new role at bosses in general? Someone who brings more ppots than food and leech/saps the most dangerous threat (mage mini at Zamorak, Graardor's range....)?

The Berserker Prayer is great, but I don't feel that it compensates enough for the loss of Piety/Superhuman Strength at lower levels. Your choice however, as the Curses are very to play with and seeing it Deflect a hit is always nice.

Yes, it's up to you if you use boost prayers at all or no. If you prefer not to use them then berserker is worth it. But if you do use them stick with normals till you can use turmoil.

 

Leeches for 1 person are good in most gwd for small teams. If you have a bit larger teams then it's better that everyone just uses piety/turmoil.

 

In GWD I see that trio and duo arma are very great uses for leech defence and range for 1 person. At sara it's good to use leech defence as well (best for "tanker". Idk how you do sara but for my teams usually 1 goes with unicorn and tries to keep zil following him for most of the time while other people use yak). Zammy and bandos usually die fast enough without leeches.

Something I find interesting, is that according to the RS wiki, not only do the leech prayers (levels 70+) drain more slowly than the sap prayers at lower levels.

 

additionally, they drain a half second slower than ultimate strength and co.

 

Piety drains 2 points/ 3 seconds

Turmoil drains 1 point/ 1.8 seconds= 2 points/ 3.6 seconds.

 

these prayers as a whole, reward you for having higher levels (as they should) and you loose nothing by using them. you actually gain more time using these prayers than their normal prayer book variants.

 

according to the drain rates alone, you'd be a fool not to use these prayers as your permanent book. There are obviously times when the old prayer book is better/easier to use, but in places where they compare, the new prayers are stronger, and have better drain rates.

You do realize that the deflect prayers have the same drain as the regular prayers.. right?

 

No I didn't - I assumed that Deflect Missile Curse being Lvl 68 would drain faster that standard protect range being only Lvl 40.

 

In that case my question has been answered & therefore Curses are obviously worth it !!!

 

Thanks guys

 

 

 

except there is a little slowdown when using deflect curses. You might have trouble running in soul wars or tanking at bosses.

 

oh yeah, and i wouldn't trust rs wiki. lol.

Something I find interesting, is that according to the RS wiki, not only do the leech prayers (levels 70+) drain more slowly than the sap prayers at lower levels.

 

The reason Leech prayers drain more slowly than sap prayers, is that leech prays only are draining 1 skill at a time, while sap prayers drain multiple skills.

 

Eg. Mage sap drains your opponents mage and defense levels, while Mage Leech only drains/boosts your opponents magic.

 

If you were to use Leech Mage and Leech Defense to equal the skills drained by Sap Mage, then the two leeches would drain faster than sap mage was draining prayer.

This has gotten way off topic, but personally I think: Prayers > Curses UNLESS you have 95 prayer.

Another little benefit of deflect curses over protection prayers is they protect 60% of pvp hits whereas protection prayers only protect 40% which can really shine in pvp areas, especially with turmoil.

The ONLY thing that you are missing out on with the ancient hymnal is the ability to use the lower level boosts(5-10%). This is actually a pretty big hit for me personally while slaying because I use the 5% prays contantly and compensate with sgs specs, but I'd think that the guranteed half sgs spec from soul split more than compensates for that.

 

EDIT: Also, I don't see why you would target minions wit the leech spells, draining kree's defense while boosting your own makes a notable difference in the time that kills take, but you can't(or at least I can't) survive on no pots while using leech along with deflect...

I just started slaying with turmoil instead of 10% strength prayer lol.