Australia lol's and hopes they get a chance to send in troops to protect civilians again (Free publicity is epic)

You are still using them.

I am simply keeping you from annexing them by force. Also 45,000 a year is negligible honestly.

I'm not taking them by force, it's a politcal annexion. :wall:

I am guarenteeing their freedom as of now. Why would they want to join you anyways?

I am guarenteeing their freedom as of now. Why would they want to join you anyways?

Better welfare system and in Scandinavia they earn a month's wages in one day (they do IRL).

I support Grim in this for no other reason than me wanting to watch a war.

 

Go Grim!

Then why don't they join the German-Franco State? The answer is that just because they are part of a country now does not mean that they will be paid more automatically. Also why would they want a welfare system that is better? The majority of the people are employed and that would not be a large issue.

EDIT: Ross think of me like the major from Hellsing toned down a slight bit.... Gentlemen.... I love war.

Very well, Mather.

*rubs hands in anticipation*

I want to be in the war too, but I don't want to fight Rocco anymore. When we fight, it always goes on for ages and nothing happens. So I'd like to fight with Rocco this time. Then we have to factor in the international reaction...Other than that, I'd like to fight too. :P

-In 2009, Japan was just Japan. However, in 2016 (where we are now), Japan is Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Phillipines, Indonesia, and Yemen. That basically means that expansion is not as simple as 5 trillion to 10 trillion. It's the combination of several countries.

Yay, Retech shows his true colours...Massive Japanese Empire.

 

Also noting another prime example: China. Expanding at nearly 8% last year, using recent trends, China would nearly double its GDP. Why hasn't the world crashed? I don't know...maybe it's because it doesn't cause the world to crash.

Oddly enough because China doesn't expand by 8% EVERY year....

 

Noting another prime example: Japan. In the middle and late 1900s, Japan expanded at the rate of an average of 10% yearly. That's right, 10%, peaking at around 13% at some points. Why didn't Japan crash and burn until the 1990s? (Asset bubble) It's because there isn't a historical precendent for what you claim as world destroying growth. During a few decades, the Japanese economy increased but several fold. I don't think the economy crashed because of it.

What you have to understand is that the world has got into a massive debt by proping itself up, so either you are setting yourself up for a massive recession in 2040 or you are going with a large recession in three years.

 

To be honest I don't care. The fact is that if you are exporting 11 trillion dollars worth of goods then your markets directly relate to everyone else's markets....Think of it like a pie.

There are 5 people. Two people do the apples, two people do the flour and one person does the mixing, and you get out relative to what you put in.

Now if there is space for 500 grams of flour, and you put in 450 grams of flour, then you are going to get almost twice what everyone else gets...So instead of 20% you get 37.5%. Where as the other person who put the 50 grams of flour in only gets 2.75% of the pie. Which is fine for one pie...

When it happens ten pies in a row that 2.75% is now not sufficent to sustain the other flour producer. Thus they either go join a different pie group or they die.

So now you are providing 100% of the flour, and thus are getting 40% of the pie...

 

But now consider that person who has left was the guy who payed the wages of the people who brought the goods who produced the apples. Thus now there are less apples around, and so you are now getting 50% of the pie, but now the pie tastes too floury because there are not enough apples...Further the people who put the apples in are getting back less of a return on their investment and are thus slowly going out of bussiness...Eventually(30 odd pies later) dying...if they didn't leave earlier.

Thus you are now producing 80% of the pie, which isn't really a pie, as much as flour...which is pretty much exactly what you have put in, thus the mixer isn't important and you can get rid of him. Now you have 100% of the pie...except now the pie is just flour, and you can't survive on flour alone and therefore you die as well.

 

Thus people moderate how much they produce, so that healthy competition exists, ensuring that everyone gets a roughly equal share of the pie....if everyone is going though a good period then great, the share of the pie stays around 20%, even though there is more pie to go around...in bad periods everyone still gets the same share of the pie.

What you are doing is trying to expand without regard for everyone else involved in making the pie, and thus you will force them out of business, thus meaning that they won't produce, which upsets the delicate balance of the pie, leading to a recession...either when the apples start getting more expensive and they demand more of the pie to compenstate(as happened in 1930) or by them continuing to spend money they don't have on apples, for more than they actually get back...(as happened in 2007)

So it really depends on if people go 'Hey, we need to stop Japan, how? Lets stop trading with it and try to protect ourselves.' or 'Hey, Japan is doing well, we arn't, lets trade with it, hopefully getting us out of this situation.'

 

Way one means the world economy faulters, but begins to recover within about 4 years...except for the nation that over produced(As happened with the USA in 1930, which only came out of the depression after it started trading with Europe during the Second world war) which can remain crippled indefinately.

Way two means the world economy crashes because there are Algae cars for $5 but apples cost $50... Subsidy helps, as it does in the EU, but if there is ever too much for the system to absorb then the whole thing comes crashing down because costs spiral out of the control.

 

If you want to quote me situations where it didn't happen then fine....You are buying time, but eventually the debt, the costs, will spiral beyond your ability to control and then it will be far worse. So this isn't so much an argument, as me warning you of what is going to happen, and try to give you a chance to avert it.

The PRC has completed work on its missile sheild. Research has begun on creating a feasable moon-base, although it will take some time.

 

Projects:

Classified project III: (2/7)

 

Research:

Kinetic weaponry: (4/10)

Vertical farms: (1/6)

Railguns: (1/11)

Moon base: (0/12)

 

Annexation:

Thailand: (4/10)

The Federation has closed off its waters to any military vessels (pretty much North America and upper Europe).

 

Likewise, the United States and the United Kingdom have stated that they will not intervene in the Poland conflict, although they express their sympathies toward the Polish people.

Switzerland stays out of the conflict, but will continue to sell electricity to anyone who needs it.

The Poland "conflict" is a political annexion with a third-party guarding the borders.

The Poland "conflict" is a political annexion with a third-party guarding the borders.

 

Oh the naivety!

 

A war mod has been chosen. ;)

Btw Rocco, your 'Palestinian Coalition' doesn't even include Palestine. Lol.

 

 

The Israelis have begun to ship Palestinians in Israeli regions off to concentration camps.

 

The blogger from Palestine claims that his brother escaped from one of the camps and claimed that he saw Palestinian children being forced to do manual labor while the elderly were murdered and tossed into open pits. Little girls were sold as sex slaves to Israeli military officers in charge of the camp.

 

 

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This is very disturbing.

Switzerland likes this. :rolleyes: (joke)

There have been several reports that Chinese arms dealers have smuggled small arms into Singapore.

Wait who controls Italy

Wait who controls Italy

 

Dungeonal.

I do.

Spains make an offer to the Italian Government to buy the Lamborghini car Company