3rd Age/Spirit shields/Phats Discussion

[sparky1_2007]

If you had your choice in investing in a rare item that deminish everyday or an item that has more and more come into the market everyday which would you pick? It's obvious which one you'd pick. As I have said before and will said again I could care less if my partyhat is 10M or 200M I like it and I quit caring whether or not I make or lose money on it and I only talk about it because it's the truth in no way do I try to manipulate prices.

 

 

 

As for pumkins, discs, and easters they have been bought out for months most big time merchants have hundreds of them atm and they just started rising. They are one of the best items because the majority of the public never wanted them so there arn't many other there that arn't in the merchants banks.

 

 

 

So it sounds like your advice to merchants would be to move into halloween masks and santas. They're rare and getting more rare. They're not bought out yet, but it's very possible to buy them out. Plus, unlike the other small rares you cite, they (like partyhats) have a natural demand because they can be worn.

 

 

 

They've sucessfully bought out masks and santa's before but nothing to the extent of 3rd age or the 3 smaller rares because the public has alot of them too so the merchants can't control the entire market.

 

 

 

A good buyout would consist of:

 

A. ALOT of money willing to be invested

 

B. Rare item with some natural demand

 

 

 

However a great buyout would consist of:

 

A. ALOT of money willing to be invested

 

B. Rare item with some natural demand

 

C. Item that the public does not have alot of

 

 

 

C is all the seperates the good from the great and it was shown perfectly with 3rd age and now with the 3 lowest rares. As for santas and masks it'd be hard to control them because alot of people own them for outfits, goals, etc. As for partyhats there are alot out in the public but the people who can afford them tend to keep them and not sell when they start gettign bought out unlike some santa and mask owning players.

 

 

 

3rd age has been bought out twice so far, and its still crashing lol, could have been more than twice too, but i guess i havent noticed.

 

 

 

and if your talking about how 3rd age became expensive at first then i guess thats how all items rise in price which would be a buyout which wouldnt be manipulating on purpose.

 

 

 

the reason 3rd age rose in price in the first place is because the price didnt update for weeks on end.

 

 

 

and most of the merchers put their offers in for 3rd age right when it updates.

 

 

 

but now that it updates more frequently, it's easier to get ahold of them.

[sadukar123]

Pah, only 3rd age melee helm is decreasing in price, everything else is stable for like a week. :/

[psvstef]

any news?

[Punitive_D]

any news?

 

 

 

Yeah, I've missed this thread!

 

 

 

Seems to me third age still is crashing, spirit shields still are crashing, and all rares are on a gradual rise.

[Master_Smither]

Nothing new as said above partyhats are going strong easter, pumpkins, and disks are doing very well. Half wines however are doing the best of all at ~300-500M street each.

[Napalm]

5 easters and up to 500m cash depending on the junk.

 

 

 

Are these guys serious? Why is it that half wine suddenly is worth so much?

 

(that was in rsof)

[Punitive_D]

Why is it that half wine suddenly is worth so much?

 

 

 

Since there has been no sudden change in the supply of half wines, a sudden change in market value must be due to a sudden increase in demand. For some reason, people suddenly wants these more than they used to? You couldn't prove it by me -- I'm only interested in wieldable rares.

[acenator]

Why is it that half wine suddenly is worth so much?

 

 

 

Since there has been no sudden change in the supply of half wines, a sudden change in market value must be due to a sudden increase in demand. For some reason, people suddenly wants these more than they used to? You couldn't prove it by me -- I'm only interested in wieldable rares.

 

Here's my theory:

 

For whatever reason, it seems that all the rich merchants like having a couple items that are unbuyable on the GE due to extremely high street prices (my only guess would be the fact that these can turn into very profitable long-term investments). First it was 3rd age and, later, spirit shields, but now that those are crashing, they need something else and, from what I'm reading here, it looks like they're turning to the unwearable rares.

[Master_Smither]

Why is it that half wine suddenly is worth so much?

 

 

 

Since there has been no sudden change in the supply of half wines, a sudden change in market value must be due to a sudden increase in demand. For some reason, people suddenly wants these more than they used to? You couldn't prove it by me -- I'm only interested in wieldable rares.

 

Here's my theory:

 

For whatever reason, it seems that all the rich merchants like having a couple items that are unbuyable on the GE due to extremely high street prices (my only guess would be the fact that these can turn into very profitable long-term investments). First it was 3rd age and, later, spirit shields, but now that those are crashing, they need something else and, from what I'm reading here, it looks like they're turning to the unwearable rares.

 

 

 

Well the thing about easters, pumpkins, and disks is that they are cheap and many merchants hoarded them back before the GE (hoarded as in hundreds at a time). Many of these people have quit or have been banned for various reason, the main one being RWT. So when you take hundreds of something not many people other than merchants want/have you really hurt the market. It falls under the guidelines I stated above for a great item to buyout. They will eventually start rising when Jagex intervenes or when enough of them have sold. Then when they rise to a point where merchants start to sell them on the grand exchange they will crash and become another 3rd age like item.

 

 

 

The thing about unbuyable, low supply items is that you can put piles upon piles of max cash into them and watch it rise while it holds those piles of max cash.

 

 

 

As far as half wines go they were hoarded by the big time merchants who knew something like them will eventually just sky rocket due to the fact it is rarer than most partyhats and the only reason it's not 200M+ is because it's unwearable. But eventually the merchants quit with the GE and the removal of free trade or got banned causing something that was already very very rare to become extremely rare but the public and most merchants didn't know that or care about it while 3rd age and spirit shields were going on their roller coaster. But the educated merchants decided to go out on a limb with them and it worked. Now we won't know how many are left in game whether it's 100 or 1000 and until some new hot item comes out or Jagex intervenes and raises the GE prices manually we will see them as one of the rarest items in Runescape items. For more information on half wines please read this thread it is something all people interested in what I talk about should read: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=611982. This is one of the merchants that I talked about earlier that has been banned with a lot of rares in their bank, never to be seen again.

 

 

 

Example of one of the poorer accounts banned with rares:

 

 

Example of one of the richer accounts banned with rares:

 

 

 

 

What it really boils down to is rares are the best item to invest in for a long term investments (one year+) because there are less and less of them month. As for cheap unwearable rares they can be hoarded in the hundreds and possibly thousands and we wouldn't notice a drop in supply because we can't see whether people own one or not and won't know when to start buying with other people and when to sell with other people. It sort of just gets sprung upon the people out of the loop of merchants.

 

 

 

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any loses you may encounter when buying items from the information I have posted on this forum. It is your decision to buy the item and you take full responsibility for it when it enters your hands.

 

 

 

Again I have been blamed for loses people have encountered from the information I have a posted and I really don't feel I should be so I am forced to post a disclaimer.

[sadukar123]

And some clan tries to buy out 3rd age robe top, platelegs and range top. (lol)

[bedman]

I know this doesn't really belong here but I wanted to discuss it here since opening a new topic about it would be even worse, and probably regarded as price manipulation propaganda.

 

 

 

So, my question/theory is:

 

 

 

What stops infinity from being the new gilded legs, or whatever you wanna call it, for a few weeks? Let's see at its situation:

 

 

 

You can now only get infinity robes at the mage arena. However, nobody in their right mind spends 3x the points of inf boots, on an inf skirt, which costs 3x less. So as long as infinity bottom, hat, top, master wand, and book are lower than 2M (and worth getting at MA), those items are practically discontinued, i.e. no more are coming in the game. This means these items have A LOT of potential.

 

 

 

Atm, infinity is bought out, but a lot of items with more questionable potential are bought out too, so I'm not sure how long it will last.

 

 

 

What do you guys think? Am I overanalyzing?

[Blutters]

I think you're correct, Bedman, although I don't see why Infinity has anymore potential than anything else removed from the drop tables.

 

 

 

Also, as for the whole 'rich people buy rares to diffuse their cash' topic, it seems like these new PvP rewards could easily accomplish that. They're worth a lot (up to 5M) and have an unchanging value.

[Dragons_Might]

I think you're correct, Bedman, although I don't see why Infinity has anymore potential than anything else removed from the drop tables.

 

 

 

Also, as for the whole 'rich people buy rares to diffuse their cash' topic, it seems like these new PvP rewards could easily accomplish that. They're worth a lot (up to 5M) and have an unchanging value.

 

 

 

However the rares can gain value over time, and for a merchant, if they keep collecting enough, and all of them do this, they eventually have a higher value, and potentially can have a new unbuyable, meaning even more effective.

[Wachtwoord]

Bedmen, it sounds plausible. However, economic theories like these have one drawback. They almost always sound plausibel, even if two theories predict the exact opposite, they could still both sound plausible. Therefore, you may be right, but I wouldn't bet any money on it though.

[xSxqPowerx]

Ugh. Looks like divines are selling at max. I'm never going to get one :(

[bedman]

I think you're correct, Bedman, although I don't see why Infinity has anymore potential than anything else removed from the drop tables.

 

 

 

Also, as for the whole 'rich people buy rares to diffuse their cash' topic, it seems like these new PvP rewards could easily accomplish that. They're worth a lot (up to 5M) and have an unchanging value.

 

Well, for the dfull helm it applies to, and it seems everyone knows that.

 

 

 

But the DFS for instance I still sought after, and still comes in game at a steady rate. I dont see anyone getting infinity tops at the MA for instance at this price.

 

 

 

@ Wachtwoord: that's the problem yes... :-)

[Master_Smither]

I know this doesn't really belong here but I wanted to discuss it here since opening a new topic about it would be even worse, and probably regarded as price manipulation propaganda.

 

 

 

So, my question/theory is:

 

 

 

What stops infinity from being the new gilded legs, or whatever you wanna call it, for a few weeks? Let's see at its situation:

 

 

 

You can now only get infinity robes at the mage arena. However, nobody in their right mind spends 3x the points of inf boots, on an inf skirt, which costs 3x less. So as long as infinity bottom, hat, top, master wand, and book are lower than 2M (and worth getting at MA), those items are practically discontinued, i.e. no more are coming in the game. This means these items have A LOT of potential.

 

 

 

Atm, infinity is bought out, but a lot of items with more questionable potential are bought out too, so I'm not sure how long it will last.

 

 

 

What do you guys think? Am I overanalyzing?

 

 

 

The thing is there has to be a decent demand on the item that isn't from merchants. Third age actually looked half way decent and was a decent armour however infinity realy isn't that good so the natural demand is very low. So it won't rise as much as 3rd age did but it will go up do the the majority supply being cut off.

 

 

 

Now for DFH's they are extremely rare from mith dragons(infact I've seen more from the pyre than from mith dragons). So they have the potential to hit near their original price but it's all in the hands of the people who own them.

 

 

 

Ugh. Looks like divines are selling at max. I'm never going to get one :(

 

 

 

Eww :(

[Blutters]

I know this doesn't really belong here but I wanted to discuss it here since opening a new topic about it would be even worse, and probably regarded as price manipulation propaganda.

 

 

 

So, my question/theory is:

 

 

 

What stops infinity from being the new gilded legs, or whatever you wanna call it, for a few weeks? Let's see at its situation:

 

 

 

You can now only get infinity robes at the mage arena. However, nobody in their right mind spends 3x the points of inf boots, on an inf skirt, which costs 3x less. So as long as infinity bottom, hat, top, master wand, and book are lower than 2M (and worth getting at MA), those items are practically discontinued, i.e. no more are coming in the game. This means these items have A LOT of potential.

 

 

 

Atm, infinity is bought out, but a lot of items with more questionable potential are bought out too, so I'm not sure how long it will last.

 

 

 

What do you guys think? Am I overanalyzing?

 

 

 

The thing is there has to be a decent demand on the item that isn't from merchants. Third age actually looked half way decent and was a decent armour however infinity realy isn't that good so the natural demand is very low. So it won't rise as much as 3rd age did but it will go up do the the majority supply being cut off.

 

 

Of course you can't forget the boots, book, or wand though, which are actually useful and used, which would definitely fall into his theory.

[bedman]

I know this doesn't really belong here but I wanted to discuss it here since opening a new topic about it would be even worse, and probably regarded as price manipulation propaganda.

 

 

 

So, my question/theory is:

 

 

 

What stops infinity from being the new gilded legs, or whatever you wanna call it, for a few weeks? Let's see at its situation:

 

 

 

You can now only get infinity robes at the mage arena. However, nobody in their right mind spends 3x the points of inf boots, on an inf skirt, which costs 3x less. So as long as infinity bottom, hat, top, master wand, and book are lower than 2M (and worth getting at MA), those items are practically discontinued, i.e. no more are coming in the game. This means these items have A LOT of potential.

 

 

 

Atm, infinity is bought out, but a lot of items with more questionable potential are bought out too, so I'm not sure how long it will last.

 

 

 

What do you guys think? Am I overanalyzing?

 

 

 

The thing is there has to be a decent demand on the item that isn't from merchants. Third age actually looked half way decent and was a decent armour however infinity realy isn't that good so the natural demand is very low. So it won't rise as much as 3rd age did but it will go up do the the majority supply being cut off.

 

 

Of course you can't forget the boots, book, or wand though, which are actually useful and used, which would definitely fall into his theory.

 

 

 

The thing is, the boots never crashed. They are still somewhat worth getting through MA. Mage's book is somewhere in between. Wand is true, it should be 2.5M if you compare the pts it take to the pts it takes for inf boots.

[Punitive_D]

infinity realy isn't that good

 

 

 

Really? What's better?

[gremmy]

infinity realy isn't that good

 

 

 

Really? What's better?

 

 

 

Ahrim's..?

[psvstef]

so yellow --> green now =D>

 

 

 

glad i swapped my green for yellow 2 weeks ago :P

[sadukar123]

infinity realy isn't that good

 

 

 

Really? What's better?

 

#-o

[bedman]

Ugh. Looks like divines are selling at max. I'm never going to get one :(

 

 

 

Then I got very lucky...

 

 

 

[miracleman58]

Got myself a DFH for max, Should of brought more than 1 tbh :roll: