14 Day Bans for Bots

[xpandax]

Incase you've been out of the loop, apparantly yesterday jagex brought back temporary 14 day bans for macroing. It isn't announced anywhere that I could find on rs.com, but through browsing a few cheat sites I found picture evidence that starting yesterday jagex started only doing the 14 day temporary bans for macroing again, similar to what they did a few years ago where you get a 14 day ban for a first time macroing offense and a 21 day temporary ban for a second macroing offense and no permanent ban until the 3rd offense! I'm not talking the little autotyping or autoclicking macro programs either, but the private scripts are being labeled as "macro minor" and only being given a 14 day ban.

 

Does jagex need the extra cash generated by these macroers subscriptions that badly?? ***i'm not condoning macroing in any way shape or form, so don't do it*** but in theory, one could now 24/7 macro until they get a temporary ban and then wait 14 days, do it again until the second offense and then stop botting and have a couple fresh 99's that they did absolutely nothing for or hundreds of millions of gp and not be permanently banned. What are everyones thoughts on this? And how long do you think it will take Jagex to realize that this is an absolutely idiotic way to deal with the re-emerging botting problem?

Edited May 13, 2010 by Danqazmlp
Title edited

[SanNo1]

So if I understand correctly, you can macro all you want untill you're caught and only face a 14 day ban? Lame :thumbdown:

 

Macroing = cheating and imo should result in an instant perma-ban. Might be a little shortsighted but I'm really against it. Of course they must have condemning evidence.

[bored321]

I've heard of ppl getting 14day bans months ago, Its certainly not as strict as it was a year or so ago.

 

Also, just looking on some of the forums shows that many are going months 24/7 without being caught, seems like bots are getting better at avoiding their systems or Jagex don't care much any more.

 

Probably the latter. :unsure:

[xpandax]

I've heard of ppl getting 14day bans months ago, Its certainly not as strict as it was a year or so ago.

they've been giving out 14 day bans for things like autotyping and autoclicking for awhile now, but they just yesterday started giving out temporary bans for using private scripts that are much more complex than any autoalcher out there. They used to do this in 08, but switched to permanently banning major macroers until yesterday they brought back the temporary ban system.

[Beloved]

I personally think it's because of money. I have a feeling they are having a rough time (financially) the last few months/last year

[Profins]

More like they want to avoid people making billions of accounts for macroing. Not sure. But they should rather wipe the banks/stats all together/what has been macroed!

[Mercifull]

Perhaps its a way of punishing the auto typers at the GE without perminantly banning them from the game?

[Skeptical]

So if I understand correctly, you can macro all you want untill you're caught and only face a 14 day ban? Lame :thumbdown:

 

Macroing = cheating and imo should result in an instant perma-ban. Might be a little shortsighted but I'm really against it. Of course they must have condemning evidence.

 

Well, I don't feel like it's all that unfair to get one try, but a three-strikes system doesn't seem harsh enough.

 

After all, people screw up, but if they're stupid enough to start, get caught and temp-banned, and then do it again....

[Profins]

Thing is, since they face no punishment whatsoever after 2nd strike (if they stop autoing), they can sell the account for a lot of money. What was the point of all the RWT updates if they just do this?

[Skeptical]

Thing is, since they face no punishment whatsoever after 2nd strike (if they stop autoing), they can sell the account for a lot of money. What was the point of all the RWT updates if they just do this?

 

I don't think many people are selling accounts anymore: I think that the number of people who are high level and quitting, and the number of people who want to buy accounts just isn't in the correct ratio: if you're only going to get $10 for your level 100 acc, why would you bother selling and never being able to play again?

[xpandax]

Thing is, since they face no punishment whatsoever after 2nd strike (if they stop autoing), they can sell the account for a lot of money. What was the point of all the RWT updates if they just do this?

 

I don't think many people are selling accounts anymore: I think that the number of people who are high level and quitting, and the number of people who want to buy accounts just isn't in the correct ratio: if you're only going to get $10 for your level 100 acc, why would you bother selling and never being able to play again?

many people bot just to sell accounts... there is still a pretty healthy market for buying/selling accounts. especially pures.

[Bladewing]

More cheap raw materials for us legit players, I guess.

[schmuall]

More cheap raw materials for us legit players, I guess.

 

If Jagex really cared about this, they'd just throw a couple hundred k of what ever material (eg coal) onto the GE for mid. We wouldn't notice it and if it was done over enough materials over a long enough period of time, it would go a good way to sorting out inflation.

 

I think this is a horrible step back for Jagex. I haven't and never would cheat in this game along with the vast majority of users and it is us, the honest players, that are being punished by this leniency.

[Bladewing]

More cheap raw materials for us legit players, I guess.

 

If Jagex really cared about this, they'd just throw a couple hundred k of what ever material (eg coal) onto the GE for mid. We wouldn't notice it and if it was done over enough materials over a long enough period of time, it would go a good way to sorting out inflation.

 

I think this is a horrible step back for Jagex. I haven't and never would cheat in this game along with the vast majority of users and it is us, the honest players, that are being punished by this leniency.

How are you punished, exactly?

[Karvinen]

So if I understand correctly, you can macro all you want untill you're caught and only face a 14 day ban? Lame :thumbdown:

 

Macroing = cheating and imo should result in an instant perma-ban. Might be a little shortsighted but I'm really against it. Of course they must have condemning evidence.

Would the "Guantanamo approach" be better then (banning people permanently for the slightest suspicion of being autoer)?

 

Surely a bigger percentage of autoers would be caught with the Guantanamo approach, but a lot of innocent players would be banned too.

 

A bugless program does not exist. Cheat detection programs always have false positives and false negatives. The higher the detection rate , the higher the false positive rate.

[Saru Inc]

I agree with the 14 day ban. I mean it's a game, they are just choosing to play it a different way. Do I agree with it? No, but I let a lot of things in the real world slip by that I don't agree with.

[schmuall]

More cheap raw materials for us legit players, I guess.

 

If Jagex really cared about this, they'd just throw a couple hundred k of what ever material (eg coal) onto the GE for mid. We wouldn't notice it and if it was done over enough materials over a long enough period of time, it would go a good way to sorting out inflation.

 

I think this is a horrible step back for Jagex. I haven't and never would cheat in this game along with the vast majority of users and it is us, the honest players, that are being punished by this leniency.

How are you punished, exactly?

 

We are being punished by having to spend more time and effort acquiring the same things that cheaters can obtain while asleep and leaving a botting program running. Regular people who put in the effort to get decent levels that feature in the highscores are having these acheivements lessened by this leniency.

[joker2022]

No randoms inside the demonhiem castle!!!!

 

Yay!!!!

[sees_all1]

Three chances to macro is too much IMHO. Jagex needs to track something... say the user's MAC address. A player that gets three bans for macroing is likely to do it again. By keeping the player's MAC address, they don't get chances four five and six on a different account. They can also hurt them with their mains - you cheat on one account, you're banned on all accounts.

[Saru Inc]

See all that is absolutely ridiculous. Simply saying. I see nothing wrong with botting, as long as the account that bots is banned. But banning accounts that have nothing to do with the bot? Ridiculous.

[sees_all1]

See all that is absolutely ridiculous. Simply saying. I see nothing wrong with botting, as long as the account that bots is banned. But banning accounts that have nothing to do with the bot? Ridiculous.

 

Right now there's an incentive to bot: free materials, and three chances. Transfer the materials in between accounts, especially if they're undervalued. Macro gets banned, but who cares? It was a throwaway account anyway. Main gets free or cheaper materials, an advantage, and gets off free.

 

If players knew that they were risking more than one account when they macroed, there wouldn't be as many users willing to macro.

[blakdragon39]

See all that is absolutely ridiculous. Simply saying. I see nothing wrong with botting, as long as the account that bots is banned. But banning accounts that have nothing to do with the bot? Ridiculous.

 

What has anyone said about banning acounts that don't bot? And if someone bots on a different account, but not on their main, why on Earth SHOULDN'T Jagex ban them? If it really is the same person, and they're a constant repeat offender, ban their main, and maybe they'll go away and we can stop worrying about them.

 

I think that two strikes is plenty to get people to realise they shouldn't bot. Three strikes is just offering them twice as many chances to bot. Instant perma-ban seems a little harsh, unless they KNOW it is the same person doing it on different accounts all the time. I vote for two strikes!

[bmnp]

Such a terrible idea. This is encourage thousands of people to bot.

[glasscube]

Three chances to macro is too much IMHO. Jagex needs to track something... say the user's MAC address. A player that gets three bans for macroing is likely to do it again. By keeping the player's MAC address, they don't get chances four five and six on a different account. They can also hurt them with their mains - you cheat on one account, you're banned on all accounts.

 

MAC Addresses are piss easy to spoof. I suggest you leave Jagex to do what to do instead of trying to recommend Jagex to use flawed methods. They after all know what they are doing. And not only that, but what if its a shared or public computer?

 

Such a terrible idea. This is encourage thousands of people to bot.

Thousands of people already bot. The people who aren't botting aren't going to be swayed by this - this already know its 'bad'.

[Saru Inc]

Think of it from jagex's point of view: Thousands of people more willing to bot on throwaway accounts etc, = thousands of more memberships. Smart planning I can't wait for this to take effect, then prices will go down.