14 Day Bans for Bots

[Leyenda]

See all that is absolutely ridiculous. Simply saying. I see nothing wrong with botting, as long as the account that bots is banned. But banning accounts that have nothing to do with the bot? Ridiculous.

 

True! Neither my brother or I macro, but if one of us did and the other got banned for it because of same IP address, one of us would be furious!

[Trollface]

For every player who gets 14 day banned for macroing, there are three level 120+s posting "gf jagex permed" threads because they believed that 14 day bans were the norm. Jagex is only auto banning people who use easily detectable macros like a woodcutting one. 14 day bans are easier to defend than a perma ban. Macroers don't benefit from the accounts because they drop all the logs and no one wants willow logs even if they're banked. Also, no one wants to buy a level 3 with 80 wc with one prior macroing infraction when they could just go and bot up their own level 3 for free.

[anonymouse_]

For every player who gets 14 day banned for macroing, there are three level 120+s posting "gf jagex permed" threads because they believed that 14 day bans were the norm. Jagex is only auto banning people who use easily detectable macros like a woodcutting one. 14 day bans are easier to defend than a perma ban. Macroers don't benefit from the accounts because they drop all the logs and no one wants willow logs even if they're banked. Also, no one wants to buy a level 3 with 80 wc with one prior macroing infraction when they could just go and bot up their own level 3 for free.

You can't really argue if you have no idea wtf you're talking about. Jagex used to perm ban 100% of the time for macroing. That's a fact. And wc bots are not the only ones that exist.

[sees_all1]

Three chances to macro is too much IMHO. Jagex needs to track something... say the user's MAC address. A player that gets three bans for macroing is likely to do it again. By keeping the player's MAC address, they don't get chances four five and six on a different account. They can also hurt them with their mains - you cheat on one account, you're banned on all accounts.

 

 

You think people cant change their mac address? Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone in the cheating community could get past that in .0002 seconds.

 

Clearly you didn't read my other responses.

And do you think if Jagex decided to track MAC addresses to catch macroers, they'd announce to the world, "Hey, we're tracing your IP and MAC address so that we can catch macroers!"

Of course they wouldn't. And if they didn't tell them how they were linking the accounts, there'd be speculation. 30% might guess right, but you'd still clean house on everyone else before they knew.

[anonymouse_]

Three chances to macro is too much IMHO. Jagex needs to track something... say the user's MAC address. A player that gets three bans for macroing is likely to do it again. By keeping the player's MAC address, they don't get chances four five and six on a different account. They can also hurt them with their mains - you cheat on one account, you're banned on all accounts.

 

 

You think people cant change their mac address? Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone in the cheating community could get past that in .0002 seconds.

 

Clearly you didn't read my other responses.

And do you think if Jagex decided to track MAC addresses to catch macroers, they'd announce to the world, "Hey, we're tracing your IP and MAC address so that we can catch macroers!"

Of course they wouldn't. And if they didn't tell them how they were linking the accounts, there'd be speculation. 30% might guess right, but you'd still clean house on everyone else before they knew.

They wouldn't MAC ban for similar reason as why they don't usually IP ban. I'm guessing this is why they also stopped banning by UID.

[sees_all1]

Three chances to macro is too much IMHO. Jagex needs to track something... say the user's MAC address. A player that gets three bans for macroing is likely to do it again. By keeping the player's MAC address, they don't get chances four five and six on a different account. They can also hurt them with their mains - you cheat on one account, you're banned on all accounts.

 

 

You think people cant change their mac address? Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone in the cheating community could get past that in .0002 seconds.

 

Clearly you didn't read my other responses.

And do you think if Jagex decided to track MAC addresses to catch macroers, they'd announce to the world, "Hey, we're tracing your IP and MAC address so that we can catch macroers!"

Of course they wouldn't. And if they didn't tell them how they were linking the accounts, there'd be speculation. 30% might guess right, but you'd still clean house on everyone else before they knew.

They wouldn't MAC ban for similar reason as why they don't usually IP ban. I'm guessing this is why they also stopped banning by UID.

Point is not to ban the MAC address, its to ban all accounts related to it. MAC is just one of many ways of relating accounts.

[icoulddestroyyou]

dude that is [bleep]ing AWESOME

[Aiel]

dude that is [bleep]ing AWESOME

LOL

[Shadow_Latio]

I think if someone bots, and is stupid enough to make it obvious enough to get reported, or actually monitored by Jagex and caught, they do deserve a ban, and if they don't get caught, its their money so I guess they can do what they want with it.

[deletemeplease]

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^Proof that it can happen to those who wanted it.

 

I was also perma-banned on my old account, but got it appealed. 10.5 Black marks ftw. :cool:

Edited May 14, 2010 by Racheya
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[Jmmy]

Hang on - my account got permed March 09 for its first ever offence (which admittedly was autoclicking, i know, i deserve what i got)

 

Does that mean they may now change it to a temp? I would grasp at any second chance. However, if not, i would understand.

[BeNiceOk]

I do not really support cheating (for myself) as I feel it devalues my own goals, but I don't feel that others cheating devalues the goals I have achieved or am going to achieve. I really don't care if people want to cheat on their own accounts or not, I just never would for myself.

 

I no longer believe "banning" is a suitable punishment for macro's anymore as they just use a throwaway account or just don't care. As an alternative solution I would rather they be set up on a "probation-period" of sorts. What I mean by this is anyone who gets flagged as a "bot" or "macro" has a 1 month period where any xp they gain is at 1/10th the rate, and they can only pick up x-number of item per hour. Doing this allows the bots and players to keep going if they wish, but at a rate even 12 year old's can keep up with.

 

Bot's don't harm me personally so I don't really care much about them. I am not in direct competition with the products they consume/provide, but I can see the stress from those who are. Banning just isn't working anymore and I would like if they implemented more "creative" ways to punish them rather than just taking the whole thing away. This is just an example of course and I don't really mind either way, but I feel like people do things because they are not supposed to. I cant really say for sure, but I think a good approach would be to punish macros putting them at the level of normal players, instead of trying to outright destroy them.

[ilovecuttingyews]

@Ampharaos;

The exp reduction may work (they've proved they can boost it with the exp weekend), but I can't see a limit of picking things being viable. It just seems like too much work in order to allow bots to function (but at a reduced rate).

 

The only way that I can even be close to accepting a 14-day ban would be if jagex started adding wipes to that. If you're caught auto-training, stat wipe (full, not just the stat you're botting). If you're caught 'making money', then a full bank wipe. If Jagex is going to insist on being THAT weak on bots, the least they could do is wipe the account to make it a lot harder to succesfully bot for a second time.

[Endoftheline]

I agree, I really don't mind if these kids are botting small dollar resources like essence or iron but now there are loads of people botting abbysal demons.... I can name you a few that I reported that are still there botting whips as we speak. Even a player moderator reported one but the kid still isn't banned. It really pisses me off that jagex is so broke that they are allowing people to bot without enforcing any rules so that they can keep their customers. $6 legit player or a $6 bot, doesn't matter to jagex.

[Assume Nothing]

It is so easy to access the forums of the 'cheat community'. I think that private scripts should NOT be labled as 'macroing-minor'. All it does is encourage people to do is to suicide bot for a few days because they'll know they can get away with it

[jsboutin2]

@Ampharaos;

The exp reduction may work (they've proved they can boost it with the exp weekend), but I can't see a limit of picking things being viable. It just seems like too much work in order to allow bots to function (but at a reduced rate).

 

The only way that I can even be close to accepting a 14-day ban would be if jagex started adding wipes to that. If you're caught auto-training, stat wipe (full, not just the stat you're botting). If you're caught 'making money', then a full bank wipe. If Jagex is going to insist on being THAT weak on bots, the least they could do is wipe the account to make it a lot harder to succesfully bot for a second time.

 

full wipe=perma ban, since it's starting an account all over again. I like that idea.

[Mecakoto]

@Ampharaos;

The exp reduction may work (they've proved they can boost it with the exp weekend), but I can't see a limit of picking things being viable. It just seems like too much work in order to allow bots to function (but at a reduced rate).

 

The only way that I can even be close to accepting a 14-day ban would be if jagex started adding wipes to that. If you're caught auto-training, stat wipe (full, not just the stat you're botting). If you're caught 'making money', then a full bank wipe. If Jagex is going to insist on being THAT weak on bots, the least they could do is wipe the account to make it a lot harder to succesfully bot for a second time.

 

full wipe=perma ban, since it's starting an account all over again. I like that idea.

 

Quests, to. And all Minigame scores. And halved exp for the first month.

[Jackster2014]

Jagex should just give Macroers only one chance, after that it should be a permanent ban.

[Brodly]

@Ampharaos;

The exp reduction may work (they've proved they can boost it with the exp weekend), but I can't see a limit of picking things being viable. It just seems like too much work in order to allow bots to function (but at a reduced rate).

 

The only way that I can even be close to accepting a 14-day ban would be if jagex started adding wipes to that. If you're caught auto-training, stat wipe (full, not just the stat you're botting). If you're caught 'making money', then a full bank wipe. If Jagex is going to insist on being THAT weak on bots, the least they could do is wipe the account to make it a lot harder to succesfully bot for a second time.

 

full wipe=perma ban, since it's starting an account all over again. I like that idea.

 

Quests, to. And all Minigame scores. And halved exp for the first month.

 

What's the point of halved exp for the first month, they can just start a new character easily.

[Profins]

Exactly, if a bot has their stats wiped, bank wiped, everything wiped AND has a 14 day ban/history of macro, they have no reason to continue playing.

 

Also to whoever mentioned earlier that "If they are caught training stats, wipe stats, if caught making money, wipe bank":

 

Excuse me sir, bots don't do one without the other usually.

[schmuall]

Exactly, if a bot has their stats wiped, bank wiped, everything wiped AND has a 14 day ban/history of macro, they have no reason to continue playing.

 

Also to whoever mentioned earlier that "If they are caught training stats, wipe stats, if caught making money, wipe bank":

 

Excuse me sir, bots don't do one without the other usually.

 

You have no idea how many soul wars bots there are.

[xpandax]

Exactly, if a bot has their stats wiped, bank wiped, everything wiped AND has a 14 day ban/history of macro, they have no reason to continue playing.

 

Also to whoever mentioned earlier that "If they are caught training stats, wipe stats, if caught making money, wipe bank":

 

Excuse me sir, bots don't do one without the other usually.

 

You have no idea how many soul wars bots there are.

 

lmfao if you look at the population of the soul war worlds right before a runescape update and then again right after runescape updates (which means teh bots stop working until they're updated) there is a visible minimum 60% decrease on people on that world lol. Most people doing soul wars are botting, its sad.