falconry botters

[Zaaps1]

Bots are not any less common since 2007, just more advanced. Now bots can hold conversations with you, take breaks, visit random areas,etc. It's even harder to distinguish some bots from normal players.

 

Hold Conversations?

 

Isnt that one of the major problems and area of research in AI? Robots or computer programmes are unable to seem human and have conversations that are convincing. I dont think Bots in Runescape are going to be capable of doing this.

 

Maybe quick-chat.

[urb]

Bots are not any less common since 2007, just more advanced. Now bots can hold conversations with you, take breaks, visit random areas,etc. It's even harder to distinguish some bots from normal players.

 

Hold Conversations?

 

Isnt that one of the major problems and area of research in AI? Robots or computer programmes are unable to seem human and have conversations that are convincing. I dont think Bots in Runescape are going to be capable of doing this.

Try it.

http://alice.pandorabots.com/

[noble_aloof]

Bots are not any less common since 2007, just more advanced. Now bots can hold conversations with you, take breaks, visit random areas,etc. It's even harder to distinguish some bots from normal players.

 

Hold Conversations?

 

Isnt that one of the major problems and area of research in AI? Robots or computer programmes are unable to seem human and have conversations that are convincing. I dont think Bots in Runescape are going to be capable of doing this.

Try it.

http://alice.pandorabots.com/

just spent 10 minutes talking to alice. guilty.

[ArtemisCatal]

Bots are not any less common since 2007, just more advanced. Now bots can hold conversations with you, take breaks, visit random areas,etc. It's even harder to distinguish some bots from normal players.

 

Hold Conversations?

 

Isnt that one of the major problems and area of research in AI? Robots or computer programmes are unable to seem human and have conversations that are convincing. I dont think Bots in Runescape are going to be capable of doing this.

Try it.

http://alice.pandorabots.com/

just spent 10 minutes talking to alice. guilty.

 

Nearly every person I talk to on RS must be bot!! This is just about the slightly nonsensical converstation I get out of every single person I try to talk to!!! And here I was just thinking that they were kids who were nearly iliterate, or people who only spoke English as a second language. OK, so that was a bit of hyperbole on my part, but still... crazy.

[teresa412009]

I think botting is morally wrong. It undermines the fun that others get from the game because they look at their stats and look at botters' stats and feel like they are wasting their time playing.

Jagex are meant to be stopping them. They said many years ago that they would stop botters, they did. Now the website says it, a ghost of their words from before. Jagex seem to become more and more money focused.

i don't think botting is wrong

[ArtemisCatal]

I think botting is morally wrong. It undermines the fun that others get from the game because they look at their stats and look at botters' stats and feel like they are wasting their time playing.

Jagex are meant to be stopping them. They said many years ago that they would stop botters, they did. Now the website says it, a ghost of their words from before. Jagex seem to become more and more money focused.

i don't think botting is wrong

 

That's why there has to be rules: to inforce a basic code of conduct on everyone. People cant be trusted to behave otherwise.

[Leyenda]

I think botting is morally wrong. It undermines the fun that others get from the game because they look at their stats and look at botters' stats and feel like they are wasting their time playing.

Jagex are meant to be stopping them. They said many years ago that they would stop botters, they did. Now the website says it, a ghost of their words from before. Jagex seem to become more and more money focused.

i don't think botting is wrong

Yeah, what if someone thinks hacking high levels to get cool free accounts isn't wrong, either? There are people who don't think flaming others for being 'nerds' or 'n00bs' is wrong either; doesn't mean it's right

[Saru Inc]

^^ Support.

 

Here's why the juxtaposition/comparison of hacking accounts, and botting doesn't hold up. (One reason)

 

Because bots, while I don't agree with botting myself, aren't hurting anyone but their chance to not get banned. The ONE exception may be hunting, but tbh there are so many unknown hunter bots it usually takes me like 5 minutes to find a world. Then I pull out my lawn chair, plump down and get to work. Hacking STEALS accounts, if anything Botters simply hurt people e-'spect

[Roz]

They changed the ban system too, for a first offense it is a 14 day ban, then after it is something like a 30 day ban, then only for a third offense is it a perm ban.

 

:thumbdown:

[Leyenda]

Yes because stealing someones account is the same as using a program to play for you. [/sarcasm]

Here's why the juxtaposition/comparison of hacking accounts, and botting doesn't hold up. (One reason)

 

Because bots, while I don't agree with botting myself, aren't hurting anyone but their chance to not get banned. The ONE exception may be hunting, but tbh there are so many unknown hunter bots it usually takes me like 5 minutes to find a world. Then I pull out my lawn chair, plump down and get to work. Hacking STEALS accounts, if anything Botters simply hurt people e-'spect

 

The point was that "I don't think it's wrong" isn't good justification for botting, not that botting is synonymous to hacking accounts. <_<

But whatever.

[Saru Inc]

Gotcha.

[Leyenda]

Yes because stealing someones account is the same as using a program to play for you. [/sarcasm]

Here's why the juxtaposition/comparison of hacking accounts, and botting doesn't hold up. (One reason)

 

Because bots, while I don't agree with botting myself, aren't hurting anyone but their chance to not get banned. The ONE exception may be hunting, but tbh there are so many unknown hunter bots it usually takes me like 5 minutes to find a world. Then I pull out my lawn chair, plump down and get to work. Hacking STEALS accounts, if anything Botters simply hurt people e-'spect

 

The point was that "I don't think it's wrong" isn't good justification for botting, not that botting is synonymous to hacking accounts. <_<

But whatever.

 

Well i thought i covered why i dont think its wrong is a good justification for botting in the post you just quoted :P

My mistake. I read your post; it seems to me that per your justification, it is acceptable to cheat on tests if you find studying tedious, because you get out of school to have fun! Then, just as the botted skiller shows off his 99 Firemaking, you can show off your 99% on the History exam. Yes, I realize that it's "just a game," but still :mellow:

[strilmus]

If people liked slow and fun ways of training, they wouldn't complain nearly as much about dungeoneering :P

 

Also there are bots in the living rock caverns too.

[urb]

If people liked slow and fun ways of training, they wouldn't complain nearly as much about dungeoneering :P

I like dungoneering, great minigame. Horrible skill.

[Leyenda]

If people liked slow and fun ways of training, they wouldn't complain nearly as much about dungeoneering :P

I like dungoneering, great minigame. Horrible skill.

 

I don't even think it's a good minigame

[ArtemisCatal]

What about all the people who make rs money legitimately, just to find out that their money is nearly worthless because of all the people that botted even more items, pushing down the price of what you collected? What about the people who can't have fun playing the game because there are no green dragons, chaos druids, or chin hunting spots to have fun at? These spots are being taken up by computers that by definition can't have fun.

 

You can not say that botting is a victimless crime. If you are deminishing someone else ability to have fun that is outside of the legal game play, then you are rigging the game and damaging the gaming experience for other players.

 

If the only way you can have fun is to cheat, you should move on to another game.

[anonymouse_]

What about all the people who make rs money legitimately, just to find out that their money is nearly worthless because of all the people that botted even more items, pushing down the price of what you collected?

Those are not bots, that's inflation.

 

What about the people who can't have fun playing the game because there are no green dragons, chaos druids, or chin hunting spots to have fun at? These spots are being taken up by computers that by definition can't have fun.

 

You can not say that botting is a victimless crime. If you are deminishing someone else ability to have fun that is outside of the legal game play, then you are rigging the game and damaging the gaming experience for other players.

 

If the only way you can have fun is to cheat, you should move on to another game.

People have different definitions of 'fun'. Your idea of grinding away killing 10k green drags over a weekend is not exactly my idea of 'fun'. Many people would like to play the game, yet still maintain a social life in the real world. And this is where bots come in. Does that make them bad, immoral people? Because they're not following arbitrary rules set forth by a game company, and killing your chaos druids?

[Leyenda]

Yes because playing a game is the equivalent to studying for a test.

 

One is work and one should be fun. Thats the point im trying to make.

 

I know people show off their runescape achievements but as i said earlier in this thread. If someone is truly playing for fun, they wont care if someone else botted to 99 firemaking because they had fun doing it themselves.

 

That fact seems to be lost in nowadays.

 

 

And like i said slow exp but fun isnt for everyone, thats why jagex wouldnt delete the grindfest normal way of training. But it would be nice for them to add it to all skills for those of us that dont like constantly clicking on the same spot for hours a day for xp.

To be honest, I think firemaking is about as fun as studying for a test. In most things I do, I find the slightest bit of fun in them; while studying for a history test, for instance, you might come across a widely referenced event and wish to learn more about it.

 

I don't think anyone really goes Oh boy! Firemaking time! All right!! :thumbsup: . They do it for the purpose of achieving a goal. The "fun" in firemaking is presumably showing off your high stat, because as far as monotonous tasks go (fletching, farmville, watching paint dry), firemaking is probably one of the most boring. But if you can find someone who radiates glee when they see those firey pixels dancing and NOT just when their XP counter increases (by which I mean if you removed the fire animation but still gave XP, they would be absolutely downtrodden), I stand corrrected.

[Pepsiguy]

why would you want to have bots

thats like saying what one of you said earlier

having every stat 99 and having the best weapons and armour in the game

and that youll be able to bemolish prety much everyone without doing anything

after awile that just gets boring

cuz you dont see you skill go a level up and make you think

oh ya

people that arent lazy will go aim for 99 fm not botting

you want to see yourself get that 99

you want to see yourself get that 99 that you spent countless hours on

not a 99 that a program got you

[SwreeTak]

It is probably a bot that you met at the falconary. I don't think that Jagex is ignoring the problem, though, as you and other people here seem worried about. As long as you report the player Jagex will take care of the problem. And the 2007 changes have made a huge change: Even if there still are bots out there they are much fewer now than before.

[Leyenda]

To be honest, I think firemaking is about as fun as studying for a test. In most things I do, I find the slightest bit of fun in them; while studying for a history test, for instance, you might come across a widely referenced event and wish to learn more about it.

 

I don't think anyone really goes Oh boy! Firemaking time! All right!! :thumbsup: . They do it for the purpose of achieving a goal. The "fun" in firemaking is presumably showing off your high stat, because as far as monotonous tasks go (fletching, farmville, watching paint dry), firemaking is probably one of the most boring. But if you can find someone who radiates glee when they see those firey pixels dancing and NOT just when their XP counter increases (by which I mean if you removed the fire animation but still gave XP, they would be absolutely downtrodden), I stand corrrected.

exactly my point.

You summed up why people bot right there.

 

Because a skill like firemaking that is about as much fun as watching paint dry, is sometimes required to enjoy another aspect of the game.

 

Thats why im saying Jagex needs to add FUN ways to train if they want less bots. Yes you will always have efficiencywhores and some willing to break the rules, but their in my opinion at least the minority not the majority.

:?: I thought the point was that botting is wrong, even if training is boring

[Golvellius]

I've reported a couple of 100+ people botting over at the living caverns.

They have no shame and their broken bots run around in circles so the whole world can see what cheaters they are.

PMod right click reporting ftw.

[qeltar]

I don't think that Jagex is ignoring the problem, though, as you and other people here seem worried about.

What are they doing about it?

 

I don't refer to banning individual players, that's like trying to stop a flood with a bucket.

[A_Fiasco]

I don't think that botting is such a great problem, IMHO.. I'd go as far as to say players simply half-awake or with public chat off are susceptible to being reported by wannabe-crown kids when in fact they'd rather not be chatting to someone while they click over and over and over..

[EU Slayer]

Yes because playing a game is the equivalent to studying for a test.

 

One is work and one should be fun. Thats the point im trying to make.

 

I know people show off their runescape achievements but as i said earlier in this thread. If someone is truly playing for fun, they wont care if someone else botted to 99 firemaking because they had fun doing it themselves.

 

That fact seems to be lost in nowadays.

 

 

And like i said slow exp but fun isnt for everyone, thats why jagex wouldnt delete the grindfest normal way of training. But it would be nice for them to add it to all skills for those of us that dont like constantly clicking on the same spot for hours a day for xp.

To be honest, I think firemaking is about as fun as studying for a test. In most things I do, I find the slightest bit of fun in them; while studying for a history test, for instance, you might come across a widely referenced event and wish to learn more about it.

 

I don't think anyone really goes Oh boy! Firemaking time! All right!! :thumbsup: . They do it for the purpose of achieving a goal. The "fun" in firemaking is presumably showing off your high stat, because as far as monotonous tasks go (fletching, farmville, watching paint dry), firemaking is probably one of the most boring. But if you can find someone who radiates glee when they see those firey pixels dancing and NOT just when their XP counter increases (by which I mean if you removed the fire animation but still gave XP, they would be absolutely downtrodden), I stand corrrected.

 

But..But..I love firemaking :S