Retech Posted June 28, 2010 Author Share Posted June 28, 2010 The Mongols don't have gunpowder siege units. It's firing basically flaming arrows, which wouldn't do much damage to the walls of a city, but might spark fires within the city. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 They're probably going for Hungary and Kiev. Also, look what happened to me when you stay in a static position.I'm sending out groups of around 150 myrmidons (my special unit) with orders to harass and generally cause confusion to the mongol hordes (say three groups doing hit and run attacks for a month.... it's gonna be rather painful) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 My new unit is designed to be fairly static... But it's also designed in a way that it is nigh immune to arrows, and lances will be inneffective as well. Ah what the hell, can't see any reason in it being secret. It's basically a soldier with a large shield, curved at the top, with a slit in the middle. A crossbow can lock into the slit and shoot through the shield. The shield also has spikes on it. Pretty big spikes. The curve means that a lance will likely be deflected either upwards or downwards, either way is going to leave them exposed and moving towards the spikes at a fairly rapid pace. The immunity to arrows comes from a Testudo formation. There is one weakness, and that is that no matter what, one of the flanks will be exposed due to the nature of the formation, but that can be easily solved by having two formation side by side, and have the people in the exposed flanks armed with light crossbows and facing each other. This way, if they try to go for the exposed side, they'll be riding into a valley of death. The people not using crossbows will be using naginatas, chosen for it's light weight, and good reach. It'll be arranged so that the first two rows of the formation are using naginatas, and the rest are using crossbows, pointing them at a 35+ degree angle and firing when directed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted June 28, 2010 Author Share Posted June 28, 2010 I haven't really received any new defence updates, unless everyone wants to keep their defences the same. Keep in mind I don't read the thread when I do the battle reports, so I might miss something important. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bert Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Basically you tell everyone in public that the power of the pope is greater than any other king or queen, supporting the pope's position. thanks pope 'Tis I, 'tis Vindice, 'tis I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icuownage Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 And t hen the Mongols fire the siege weapons, and use large rocks instead of arrows, and your warriors are crushed. Nothing is impenetrable, and the Mongols will just find a way as you stay in formation. It's a REALLY big shaft.I didn't catch fire, I used the can of hairspray as a flamethrower and pointed it at my arm.how are you going to ignore my posts when I'm offering to let you live as my vassal in two weeks time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Please tell me how you plan to beat them then? Their main offensive weapon is arrows. I found a way to defend against arrows effectively. And you can't fire large rocks with a bow. Seige weapons are a legitimate threat, yes, which is why I plan to take them out with all haste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 You do realize that it would possibly be effective to beat them up a bit before they attack? (using ambushes with a [cabbage] tonne of elite skimirshers as well as hit and run attacks at night) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Ah what the hell, can't see any reason in it being secret. It's basically a soldier with a large shield, curved at the top, with a slit in the middle. A crossbow can lock into the slit and shoot through the shield. The shield also has spikes on it. Pretty big spikes. So once the enemy closes the gap your troops are largely useless since they'll have to discard that gigantic unwieldy shield. And these troops are sent to Kiev to be put under King Dungeonal's command:2500 Kievian MAA6000 Leon crossbows500 Welsh cavalry Can't send any more until the next half decade. Vienna Raszyn Warsaw Klushino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icuownage Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 My tactic is to push them into Scandinavia, they wont really be used to the temperature and then I will use Scandinavian troops which I will train who will expertise in the harsh enviroment. I will then use hills to make my troops defend a high point, and then a forest nearby to hide a large force, as the Mongols come near they will do what they did last time, where they will retreat to use their artillery, as they retreat, they will be ambushed by my forces, and this will cause dismay in their ranks, that is when I will use some of my forces on the hill to flank the chaos which is below, and hopefully, they will be defeated. It's a REALLY big shaft.I didn't catch fire, I used the can of hairspray as a flamethrower and pointed it at my arm.how are you going to ignore my posts when I'm offering to let you live as my vassal in two weeks time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Icu, how are you going to push them into scandinavia? That would involve pushing them several dozen miles, at the very least. They aren't going to follow you, and since they move faster, they'll just escape. They aren't going to fight on anything but plains in all likelihood. Retech, I pmed you my battle plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted June 28, 2010 Author Share Posted June 28, 2010 Yep, got it. :D Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icuownage Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Well then everyone who isn't in Scandinavia is screwed then, they will have to fight there eventually. But my plan also works with any place really. It's a REALLY big shaft.I didn't catch fire, I used the can of hairspray as a flamethrower and pointed it at my arm.how are you going to ignore my posts when I'm offering to let you live as my vassal in two weeks time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Kiev is mostly steppe. There is pretty much no inclination, no forest, nothing. Terrain advantage is gone. So no, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bert Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 why are we acting individually :( thanks Dusty :D 'Tis I, 'tis Vindice, 'tis I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'm defending you in Kiev I think, albeit not actually joining forces with your army. I figure that if we act individually the mongols will be forced to split into seperate groups, making the load easier on each individual army, since keeping tabs on an army in a battle involving several dozen thousand troops is a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 why are we acting individually :( thanks Dusty :DI'm helping you in that there will be less mongols fighting you than those that were sent in your direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bert Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 see i don't understand how you have drawn that conclusion 'Tis I, 'tis Vindice, 'tis I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The first attack was only a fraction of the wave, I see no reason why this attack would suddenly include the entire thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexaduro Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'm sending out groups of around 150 myrmidons (my special unit) with orders to harass and generally cause confusion to the mongol hordes (say three groups doing hit and run attacks for a month.... it's gonna be rather painful)Three groups? For a month? I have 34 groups of 200 Hlaupari patrolling Kiev and attacking targets of opportunity with hit and run attacks until the Mongols are defeated. My new unit is designed to be fairly static... But it's also designed in a way that it is nigh immune to arrows, and lances will be inneffective as well. Ah what the hell, can't see any reason in it being secret. It's basically a soldier with a large shield, curved at the top, with a slit in the middle. A crossbow can lock into the slit and shoot through the shield. The shield also has spikes on it. Pretty big spikes. The curve means that a lance will likely be deflected either upwards or downwards, either way is going to leave them exposed and moving towards the spikes at a fairly rapid pace. The immunity to arrows comes from a Testudo formation. There is one weakness, and that is that no matter what, one of the flanks will be exposed due to the nature of the formation, but that can be easily solved by having two formation side by side, and have the people in the exposed flanks armed with light crossbows and facing each other. This way, if they try to go for the exposed side, they'll be riding into a valley of death. The people not using crossbows will be using naginatas, chosen for it's light weight, and good reach. It'll be arranged so that the first two rows of the formation are using naginatas, and the rest are using crossbows, pointing them at a 35+ degree angle and firing when directed.Pretty good mobile fortress, Ross. I'll have my Hlaupari lead the Mongols towards one of those formations, test it out. Please tell me how you plan to beat them then? Their main offensive weapon is arrows. I found a way to defend against arrows effectively. And you can't fire large rocks with a bow. Seige weapons are a legitimate threat, yes, which is why I plan to take them out with all haste.My patrols theoretically will be able to take out some of their gunpowder weaponry, that should help. 10:53 PM - retech9691: I feel the need10:53 PM - retech9691: To include many chasms in my story arc10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes? Remember, Remember, the 4th of NovemberRIP Dawngate ;-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Nex what do you think 200 horsemen would do against a larger army? (Note the troops I am using are made for ambush/hit and run) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexaduro Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Same here, Grim. 10:53 PM - retech9691: I feel the need10:53 PM - retech9691: To include many chasms in my story arc10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes? Remember, Remember, the 4th of NovemberRIP Dawngate ;-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 No one wants my protection? Odd seeing how we are being attacked by the scourge of Asia... Research on pneumatism/steam engineering begins... 10 years? We already have the wierd boiler that spins (the aeolipile). Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I think more than 10 years, even if it is unrealistic. People have stated that they don't really want any medium-tech for a good while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Actually, without mechanics then pneumatism is pretty limited, best I can do is probably a steam cannon. Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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