Does Jagex really know its own game?

[Pirkka]

I would like to start by saying that Jagex gets a lot of stuff done right. I don't agree with the "The golden age of RuneScape is past us"-opinion.

 

But every now and then Jagex seems to implement some seemingly pointless or straight out stupid updates. The latest example that comes to mind is the charm hunting update. Sure, it's fun for a moment, but no one seriously does it for getting charms, which seems to have been Jagex's intention. Also with street trading and botting, it seems Jagex doesn't know it's own game.

 

What do you guys think? Does Jagex really know what its audience is thinking, or are they partially blind to their own community?

[Logdotzip]

They have no clue. Period the end.

[FooK-A-Ji]

I would like to start by saying that Jagex gets a lot of stuff done right. I don't agree with the "The golden age of RuneScape is past us"-opinion.

 

But every now and then Jagex seems to implement some seemingly pointless or straight out stupid updates. The latest example that comes to mind is the charm hunting update. Sure, it's fun for a moment, but no one seriously does it for getting charms, which seems to have been Jagex's intention. Also with street trading and botting, it seems Jagex doesn't know it's own game.

 

What do you guys think? Does Jagex really know what its audience is thinking, or are they partially blind to their own community?

 

They can't hit the hammer on nailhead perfectly every time mate.

[xpx]

I think it's pretty fair to say that they are ignorant to the communities and don't spend much time actually playing their own game, referenced by a big load of mistakes and mishaps, none of which they've ever admitted.

[stonewall337]

I think it's pretty fair to say that they are ignorant to the communities and don't spend much time actually playing their own game, referenced by a big load of mistakes and mishaps, none of which they've ever admitted.

 

 

Ye, they know the game, but not how the players play it.

[Pirkka]

I would like to start by saying that Jagex gets a lot of stuff done right. I don't agree with the "The golden age of RuneScape is past us"-opinion.

 

But every now and then Jagex seems to implement some seemingly pointless or straight out stupid updates. The latest example that comes to mind is the charm hunting update. Sure, it's fun for a moment, but no one seriously does it for getting charms, which seems to have been Jagex's intention. Also with street trading and botting, it seems Jagex doesn't know it's own game.

 

What do you guys think? Does Jagex really know what its audience is thinking, or are they partially blind to their own community?

 

They can't hit the hammer on nailhead perfectly every time mate.

But surely a regurarly updated game would be fairly easy to improve on the already added content? Jagex keeps track of the loaves of breat that's stolen every day, surely they also have statistics of the usage of their other updates, for example the number of charm monsters caught every day?

 

All in all, wouldn't fixing existing content be easier and faster than creating new content? They could for example increase the amount of charm pieces the charm creatures give when caught. But this rarely happens. Normally, Jagex just crams more updates into the game, part of it useless to practically everyone.

[FooK-A-Ji]

Well Pirkka.

Ever since Rs2, Jagex have become increasingly notorious for making the game the way they like it, and forcing the players to adjust and adapt to their set of gameplay, not vice versa, hehe.

I doubt they will change their take on things any time soon.

[Bangin_Blonde]

I think Jagex's real problem is that they have so many different levels in the game and beauracracy that muffs the whole thing up.

[Kimberly]

The latest example that comes to mind is the charm hunting update. Sure, it's fun for a moment, but no one seriously does it for getting charms, which seems to have been Jagex's intention. Also with street trading and botting, it seems Jagex doesn't know it's own game.

 

People have wanted fun ways to train otherwise boring, grind skills. The minigame you mention gives more benefits to hunters than to summoning. The charm aspect was just one more way to allow skillers to work with summoning--that, too, has also been a huge complaint from that part of the community for quite some time. It's kind of ironic that some people would accuse Jagex of lack of viewpoint when we ourselves forget these things.

 

The street trading was commented on by Andrew some time ago. Street trading isn't a huge priority for them, because it's the player's answer to a crippled system, and it saves them time. They're certainly aware of it, but because it all ties into RWT'ing so intricately, it's hard for them to even start working on solutions. As for the botting, well, recent accusations of level resetting have shown just how much they care about that. Although maintaining that it's a bug, it seems to give them the best of all worlds. They see that players get cheap raw materials, they don't hemorrhage money chasing down false credit cards, and bots keep botting (and therefore paying) because they had reset levels.

 

Seems to me they know their game more than most people give them credit for.

 

I will admit though, one of the biggest 'you dun goofed' moments I can recently recall was when Jagex tried to fix shark-brewing, denounced it as a bug, then caved after the overwhelming anger outburst by the P2P pking community saying that the reason for the reversal was because the bug itself has created a new strategy that was necessary for combat. Doesn't mean they don't know their player base, just that they suck at p2p pking. And lots of people do, lol, so I'm hardly surprised there.

[Hameigh]

I think it's pretty fair to say that they are ignorant to the communities and don't spend much time actually playing their own game, referenced by a big load of mistakes and mishaps, none of which they've ever admitted.

 

 

Ye, they know the game, but not how the players play it.

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[Krampell]

Jagex are always putting in alternative ways to train skills.

What if somone wants to get 99 summoning with 1 all other combat skills?

Wouldn't be possible before, (unless you thieve chests in Dorgesh-kaan, which is infact another example of alternative ways of getting charms)

So what it's not better then the main source of charms from monsters? It's not suppose to be either.

[Maximusa]

I would say their understanding is somewhat similar to how many parents understand their children.

 

Its not to say they dont care or want the best. Its just they dont know what it does in its spare time and how it grew up.

 

They have a classic case of not listening which is not uncommon. They are unwilling to accept that the game is changing and growing into its own player run community. They wont allow it to grow the way the players want it to and continue to insist their own ideology.

 

In other words - No, I think their [bleep]s they that need to both play their own game and listen to their players. However they obviously do seem to TRY which is something.. Obviously money is a priority to them but they do seem to care at the same time.

[Golvellius]

Nope.

I doubt Andrew Gower could figure out how to get a lvl 3 noob from lumbridge to seers village.

[Kimberly]

Nope.

I doubt Andrew Gower could figure out how to get a lvl 3 noob from lumbridge to seers village.

 

I doubt that Andrew Gower has the free time to care much about the intricacies of the game when he's overseeing 4 projects in total. That's why he has people working under him.

[Golvellius]

Nope.

I doubt Andrew Gower could figure out how to get a lvl 3 noob from lumbridge to seers village.

 

I doubt that Andrew Gower has the free time to care much about the intricacies of the game when he's overseeing 4 projects in total. That's why he has people working under him.

Name one person at Jagex who could figure it out.

Until then I rest my case.

[Kimberly]

Nope.

I doubt Andrew Gower could figure out how to get a lvl 3 noob from lumbridge to seers village.

 

I doubt that Andrew Gower has the free time to care much about the intricacies of the game when he's overseeing 4 projects in total. That's why he has people working under him.

Name one person at Jagex who could figure it out.

Until then I rest my case.

 

It's impossible to prove just like your own claim is impossible to substantiate. If you want to have a rant where you just want to vent steam and not bother with intelligent discussion, then there's the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out.

[I_am_Not]

They have no clue. Period the end.

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[Golvellius]

Nope.

I doubt Andrew Gower could figure out how to get a lvl 3 noob from lumbridge to seers village.

 

I doubt that Andrew Gower has the free time to care much about the intricacies of the game when he's overseeing 4 projects in total. That's why he has people working under him.

Name one person at Jagex who could figure it out.

Until then I rest my case.

 

It's impossible to prove just like your own claim is impossible to substantiate. If you want to have a rant where you just want to vent steam and not bother with intelligent discussion, ]then there's the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out.

Vent steam? Maybe you need to, I just answered the question at the top of the thread, "Does Jagex really know its own game?".

[Kimberly]

Vent steam? Maybe you need to, I just answered the question at the top of the thread, "Does Jagex really know its own game?".

 

Then your answer lacks validity because you cannot prove your claim.

[jettrider]

First, I think that the way they have things split up - each content developer is "curator" of a particular piece of content, no one else knows it in and out - promotes ignorance about specific game features. Also, they tend to keep vital information private so players don't understand why some changes are implemented (even though they are STILL boneheaded moves even with that extra information sometimes...).

 

I also think that new minigames, D&Ds, etc have purposely handicapped experience rates because developers don't generally know what the max experience rates are and because they are forced to churn out new pieces of content weekly, meaning very few content updates can actually add anything permanent to the game without overpowering them.

[Dragonlordjl]

Jagex knows the game in the sense that they know how the coding is expected to work... But they do not have any idea how their players think, because few Jagex developers actually put in enough time as a player to learn that. They don't get how emergent gameplay develops in their game. Jagex doesn't have any idea what kind of updates the game actually needs, since when they ask the community the loudest voices are the noobs because they are the majority. And the noobs just want instant gratification and have no real idea what would actually improve the game.

[Golvellius]

Vent steam? Maybe you need to, I just answered the question at the top of the thread, "Does Jagex really know its own game?".

 

Then your answer lacks validity because you cannot prove your claim.

Nor can you prove that he can.

Shall we dance in circles or can you get over yourself and move on?

[Kimberly]

Vent steam? Maybe you need to, I just answered the question at the top of the thread, "Does Jagex really know its own game?".

 

Then your answer lacks validity because you cannot prove your claim.

Nor can you prove that he can.

Shall we dance in circles or can you get over yourself and move on?

 

If a man can code and create a game as complex as Runescape Classic was, I'm assuming he can point and click his way across the map. Can I prove that? No. Am I saying this is fact? No, I'm saying it's an assumption. You're saying your statement is fact yet you've admitted you cannot prove it. That's intentionally presenting false/invalid arguments as fact, which is trolling.

 

Maybe some people will believe you on the RSOF. Otherwise, it's just old hat now.

[Logdotzip]

Vent steam? Maybe you need to, I just answered the question at the top of the thread, "Does Jagex really know its own game?".

 

Then your answer lacks validity because you cannot prove your claim.

Nor can you prove that he can.

Shall we dance in circles or can you get over yourself and move on?

 

If a man can code and create a game as complex as Runescape Classic was, I'm assuming he can point and click his way across the map. Can I prove that? No. Am I saying this is fact? No, I'm saying it's an assumption. You're saying your statement is fact yet you've admitted you cannot prove it. That's intentionally presenting false/invalid arguments as fact, which is trolling.

 

Maybe some people will believe you on the RSOF. Otherwise, it's just old hat now.

 

 

I imagine your stance would hold more ground if you didn't take something like "I doubt he could navigate across RuneScape" as a literal, non-sarcastic remark. No one here is trying to argue that Andrew Gower, etc., etc. can or cannot find their way around RuneScape, we are saying they don't know s*** about how their own players play the game. This is evident in more of their updates than not.

 

 

Jagex doesn't know jack about their game in that regard. Anyone else who says otherwise is either foolish, or knows just as little as Jagex themselves.

 

 

The only Jmod I imagine has any idea how to play is Mod Chris L, as he has an account that is entirely maxed, Save Dungeoneering, although that's 100+ as it were. Have him run RS please.

 

 

[I_am_Not]

Vent steam? Maybe you need to, I just answered the question at the top of the thread, "Does Jagex really know its own game?".

 

Then your answer lacks validity because you cannot prove your claim.

Nor can you prove that he can.

Shall we dance in circles or can you get over yourself and move on?

 

If a man can code and create a game as complex as Runescape Classic was, I'm assuming he can point and click his way across the map. Can I prove that? No. Am I saying this is fact? No, I'm saying it's an assumption. You're saying your statement is fact yet you've admitted you cannot prove it. That's intentionally presenting false/invalid arguments as fact, which is trolling.

 

Maybe some people will believe you on the RSOF. Otherwise, it's just old hat now.

 

 

I imagine your stance would hold more ground if you didn't take something like "I doubt he could navigate across RuneScape" as a literal, non-sarcastic remark. No one here is trying to argue that Andrew Gower, etc., etc. can or cannot find their way around RuneScape, we are saying they don't know s*** about how their own players play the game. This is evident in more of their updates than not.

 

 

Jagex doesn't know jack about their game in that regard. Anyone else who says otherwise is either foolish, or knows just as little as Jagex themselves.

 

 

The only Jmod I imagine has any idea how to play is Mod Chris L, as he has an account that is entirely maxed, Save Dungeoneering, although that's 100+ as it were. Have him run RS please.

When new minecraft vid?

 

Golvellius you always manage to get in to arguments.

They don't know their game, only how to ruin it.

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