Ginger_Warrior Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just by being in the wild with their gear the pker is risking, a team or better pker could come at any minute and kill them. No it's not wrong. And neither is 1-iteming, it's just annoying as hellSo just to clarify this, if skillers should 'suck it up' if they get killed in the Wildy by PKers, so should those who lose their rapiers to 1-item D scimmers, right? | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just by being in the wild with their gear the pker is risking, a team or better pker could come at any minute and kill them. No it's not wrong. And neither is 1-iteming, it's just annoying as hellSo just to clarify this, if skillers should 'suck it up' if they get killed in the Wildy by PKers, so should those who lose their rapiers to 1-item D scimmers, right? Yes. It sucks that you died to someone not risking anything, but if you bring stuff into the wild expect to lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I should really find the article about scrub mentality and post it in here ... At one point we have to suck it up and leave the wilderness as it should be, but in the next moment we have to change it because they dont like it ... http://www.calculatedplay.com/2010/03/throws-are-cheap-honor-rules-a-scrub-mentality/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I should really find the article about scrub mentality and post it in here ... At one point we have to suck it up and leave the wilderness as it should be, but in the next moment we have to change it because they dont like it ... Scrub mentality? Is that referring to an animal or something or is it just [developmentally delayed] speak for noob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeNiceOk Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 @ convo above. My only point was saying that by changing the scim spec it would help fend of 1 itemers. Ya 1 iteming is not against any rules, however Jagex did not intend for people to 1 item and win either. With items like claws and K-sword you don't need armor to win a fight. Getting a KO 1-iteming in 08' would have been very difficult to pull off with a DDS+piety being your highest damage output. As per rapier, I am a firm believer the Dungeon rewards system should be changed anyways. It should be 200k tokens to unlock the ability to buy a full rapier, which you can buy as many as you want for a small amount of tokens and gold (say 20k tokens and 2M gold?). Either way if something is not changed about 1-iteming, it will be interesting to see how the PK'ing style changes to combat this. Maybe more people will start fighting in the higher wilderness instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 My only point was saying that by changing the scim spec it would help fend of 1 itemers. Ya 1 iteming is not against any rules, however Jagex did not intend for people to 1 item and win either. With items like claws and K-sword you don't need armor to win a fight. Getting a KO 1-iteming in 08' would have been very difficult to pull off with a DDS+piety being your highest damage output. What's interesting is what Jagex said recently# - New objects that affect combat will be analysed on an individual basisSo does that mean things like K-sword and claws will possibly not be allowed in the wild? I'm really curious to see what this means Agree with the chaotic too, although you should get some sort of drop for killing a guy using a Chaotic too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I should really find the article about scrub mentality and post it in here ... At one point we have to suck it up and leave the wilderness as it should be, but in the next moment we have to change it because they dont like it ...Scrub mentality? Is that referring to an animal or something or is it just [developmentally delayed] speak for noob?I posted the link - edumacate yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 If it's Scrub as in some sort of insult, I'd rather not. I don't really care enough about this topic to educate myself either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 If it's Scrub as in some sort of insult, I'd rather not. I don't really care enough about this topic to educate myself either.I shall quote myself with the tl;dr about the articleYou shouldn't put limits when limits are not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 If it's Scrub as in some sort of insult, I'd rather not. I don't really care enough about this topic to educate myself either.I shall quote myself with the tl;dr about the articleYou shouldn't put limits when limits are not needed. So what limits are you talking about? e: making prayers unacceptable isn't putting a limit on it because it isn't "needed", it's putting a limit on it because no one wants to sit having a 1 v 1 pray fight with someone, both people never hitting above 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 So what limits are you talking about? :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 So what limits are you talking about? :wall: I'm sorry that you were too vague in your posts. If you haven't noticed the last few pages have covered quite a few topics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 That things inside games are there because they're designed to be there, and you shouldn't place artificial 'bans' on certain things because it suits some people but not others, as this enters a [bleep]-for-tat which eventually ends with there being nothing of substance left in the game. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 That things inside games are there because they're designed to be there, and you shouldn't place artificial 'bans' on certain things because it suits some people but not others, as this enters a [bleep]-for-tat which eventually ends with there being nothing of substance left in the game. Except jagex [bleep]s up all the time. You think they meant for melee to be able to beat mage 1 on 1? Doesn't sound like much of a triangle to me. Or for people to be able to hit over 70 with one special? They can't really design things for both the wild and non wild, it doesn't seem to work too well Also, what limits am I saying exactly? Also, courtesy of tyrutu from zybez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Except jagex [bleep]s up all the time. You think they meant for melee to be able to beat mage 1 on 1?Yet you don't find mages politely asking for meleers to only come into the wilderness with a DDS instead of claws, do you? :rolleyes: This would be a scrub mentality; asking for something else to remove something from its metagame because you know it's going to beat you. Like somebody asking 999fishy not to use Steel Titans because apparently being a summoning pure is 'cheap'. If you don't like the way Jagex have built the game, don't play it. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Except jagex [bleep]s up all the time. You think they meant for melee to be able to beat mage 1 on 1?Yet you don't find mages politely asking for meleers to only come into the wilderness with a DDS instead of claws, do you? :rolleyes: This would be a scrub mentality; asking for something else to remove something from its metagame because you know it's going to beat you. Like somebody asking 999fishy not to use Steel Titans because apparently being a summoning pure is 'cheap'. If you don't like the way Jagex have built the game, don't play it. There's a reason you rarely see mages in the wild. Jagex have pretty much accepted their triangle is broken and have tried and are trying to fix it. They didn't intend for melee to beat mage. Again, what limits am I setting here? e: Also, as far as I can tell your "scrub mentality" is some made up idea invented by stupid gamers. e2: I don't even know how you can take a person who uses the word "scrub" unironically seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Please tell me nobody here actually thinks a warrior can beat a skilled mage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 e2: I don't even know how you can take a person who uses the word "scrub" unironically seriouslyWeeell I'm not the one who screams that something is broken while there is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing stopping you from 1 iteming as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Please tell me nobody here actually thinks a warrior can beat a skilled mage Mages have definitely got more power since ancients and staff of light and blah blah blah, but the fact that melee can wear range armour and still be able to melee effectively seems pretty ridiculous to me. Especially since that [cabbage] won't fly if a mage or ranger tries doing their thing in all melee armour Weeell I'm not the one who screams that something is broken while there is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing stopping you from 1 iteming as well. Sorry, where have I EVER complained about or said that 1 iteming is broken? It's a little stupid, but you're free to do what you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Please tell me nobody here actually thinks a warrior can beat a skilled mage Mages have definitely got more power since ancients and staff of light and blah blah blah, but the fact that melee can wear range armour and still be able to melee effectively seems pretty ridiculous to me. Especially since that [cabbage] won't fly if a mage or ranger tries doing their thing in all melee armour Even if a warrior has maxed-out mage def, it's still not enough to kill a mage, though. Nowadays magic can consistently defeat any opponent, regardless of circumstances thanks to miasmics and damage boosts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Please tell me nobody here actually thinks a warrior can beat a skilled mage Mages have definitely got more power since ancients and staff of light and blah blah blah, but the fact that melee can wear range armour and still be able to melee effectively seems pretty ridiculous to me. Especially since that [cabbage] won't fly if a mage or ranger tries doing their thing in all melee armour Even if a warrior has maxed-out mage def, it's still not enough to kill a mage, though. Nowadays magic can consistently defeat any opponent, regardless of circumstances thanks to miasmics and damage boosts Yeah mage is a lot better now. That was part of my point though. Them saying that jagex made the game and they did everything deliberately because they intended for the consequences to happen was pretty stupid to me. Them buffing up magic seems like they acknowledged and accepted that mage was underpowered and needed buffing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Eyed6 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 First of all if your in max mage defence, you will beat a mage every time. Second the simplest fix for Jagex would be that dhide gives a negative melee bonus, it only seems fair since mages and rangers cant wear rune. If this did happen however it would change the game totally and new tactics would be needed for various tasks and bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinII Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 First of all if your in max mage defence, you will beat a mage every time. Ehh yeah no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Eyed6 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 First of all if your in max mage defence, you will beat a mage every time. Ehh yeah no... Would you like to test it on me? Yes 99.9% of the time I would win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 First of all if your in max mage defence, you will beat a mage every time. Ehh yeah no... Would you like to test it on me? Yes 99.9% of the time I would win... I'll test it if he doesn't :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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