Wilderness and free trade vote! - Now Closed

[lordkafei]

 

Actually, yes, I would rather they learned it in real life. That way they will realise that actions have real consequences, and they'll be less inclined to 'scam' others themselves.

 

And people play games to escape from real life and its problems. They don't play video games to learn life skills.

 

I'd be inclined to agree... but so many in the Yes camp are arguing exactly that - that the original Wildy taught worthwhile life skills. :rolleyes: I believe it was actually earlier in this thread, though there are so many similar threads they are beginning to run together.

 

I still don't have a problem with old Wildy worlds, or even a new area with old Wildy rules (leaving the current Wildy area as is).

[Red_Eyed6]

I don't mind the scamming aspect, if a child can get scammed in a game for virtual items it'll teach them a lesson for real life, and to be more cautious.

 

Like a child going to play a sports game, it's not about the sport, it's about learning life skills like communication & determination.

 

I'd strongly suspect that you don't have children. If you did, you'd appreciate the heartbreak that a child endures when his items are basically stolen from him.

 

As a parent, it's gut-wrenching to discover that some douchebag has scammed your child out of items he worked so hard to acquire.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't want "free-trade" back. Though my children are all older and wiser now there is a large population of children playing the game who will be taken advantage of by people who consider earstwhile unconscionable acts as valid game tactics, because they can hide their truly despicable nature behind a computer screen ...

 

I remember back to the day when I started this game, and I was just a kid. I got scammed several times and yes while it is painful it gives invaluable advice. I look back on those moments today and I appreciate them. Also, a parent who thinks it is gut-wrenching to have a child taken advantage of, needs to back off a little bit. Give children some freedom, there is more satisfaction in knowing they can do things for themselves instead of having to worry about them for the rest of your life.

[Will H]

It would be beneficial in more ways than one if they released it with the Nex update.

 

1) His drops could immediately be sold at PLAYER SET prices, none of this "waiting four months for the GE to catch up" in the event of semi-rare items, or "having to junk trade for ever and ever because the GE will NEVER catch up" in the case of very rare items like sigils.

 

2) PKing will divert some of the attention away from people swarming Nex, making it a little less frustrating trying to get a kill.

 

3) Releasing both at the same time would divert attention away from the inevitable bugs present with either update.

 

I think that they want to do it in a whole package rather than piece by piece. This is going to be like any other large content update where they have to develop it, generate graphics for it, blue box it, and QA it. Based on other content development, it could take upwards of 2-3 months before we see it in-game. The Volcano, Clan wars arena, and other mini-games/quests take up about 20% of the entire wilderness. That is a lot of graphics and coding to re-do.

 

The only way I can see them speeding that up is stopping all current projects, and not having ANY updates in February. Even then people can only do so much at once as far as programing and designing.

 

Just don't get your hopes up for something right away. I wouldn't expect anything for a month or two after the official "confirmation". They might have already developed it knowing all along it was going to happen, and pull it out sooner. If so, it could be out right away after the vote, but I would expect on 2-3 months of development. If it's here earlier, great.

 

80% of this update is already archived. It's not like there were holes in the wilderness where the mini games are now. They just have to rebuff the returning areas up to the new graphics, and relocate the mini games. I personally think they should just put a portal somewhere, that would teleport you to them.

 

That doesn't sound like 80%, that sounds like 10%. A lot of minigames, quests and other activities are in the wilderness, and they still need to be fun after everything's been moved about.

[Punitive_D]

I don't mind the scamming aspect, if a child can get scammed in a game for virtual items it'll teach them a lesson for real life, and to be more cautious.

 

Like a child going to play a sports game, it's not about the sport, it's about learning life skills like communication & determination.

 

I'd strongly suspect that you don't have children. If you did, you'd appreciate the heartbreak that a child endures when his items are basically stolen from him.

 

As a parent, it's gut-wrenching to discover that some douchebag has scammed your child out of items he worked so hard to acquire.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't want "free-trade" back. Though my children are all older and wiser now there is a large population of children playing the game who will be taken advantage of by people who consider earstwhile unconscionable acts as valid game tactics, because they can hide their truly despicable nature behind a computer screen ...

 

I remember back to the day when I started this game, and I was just a kid. I got scammed several times and yes while it is painful it gives invaluable advice. I look back on those moments today and I appreciate them. Also, a parent who thinks it is gut-wrenching to have a child taken advantage of, needs to back off a little bit. Give children some freedom, there is more satisfaction in knowing they can do things for themselves instead of having to worry about them for the rest of your life.

 

 

Shortly after aquiring his first mil, my son was scammed of most of his bank. He cried. I said, "lesson learned," but I was crying inside. He quickly got his mil back (and more). The truth is that scammers can't get the most valuable part of the file -- the character and it's stats. That untouchable part of the file is what makes it possible to make the money in game. So scamming is not really a very big deal (although it does hurt), and it does teach valuable lessons. My son is much less trusting online now, which is a good thing.

[Boris5000]

1,000,000 votes? 1,000,000 broken hearts... £3,500,000 in Jagex's pocket 8-)

[Range_This11]

Shortly after aquiring his first mil, my son was scammed of most of his bank. He cried. I said, "lesson learned," but I was crying inside. He quickly got his mil back (and more). The truth is that scammers can't get the most valuable part of the file -- the character and it's stats. That untouchable part of the file is what makes it possible to make the money in game. So scamming is not really a very big deal (although it does hurt), and it does teach valuable lessons. My son is much less trusting online now, which is a good thing.

I agree with this completely. Years ago, it was easy to get scammed (think guthan's spear trade trick) but now there are plenty of safeguards in the game so if you get scammed it is your own fault for not paying close enough attention. I would venture to say those of us that started this game when we were younger have gotten scammed at least once, I know I have. "Lesson learned" is exactly what happened. I'm not permanently scarred because I lost 2k bow strings and 2k yew logs to a wilderness lure and anyone who would be has problems much deeper than Runescape itself. Thanks to that experience I am much more savvy to scamming and know how to avoid it.

[Will H]

1,000,000 votes? 1,000,000 broken hearts... £3,500,000 in Jagex's pocket 8-)

 

 

Now what's that supposed to mean? Lots of the people who voted would play the game anyway, given that they know their password, and not all of them will get a subscription because of the update.

[Boris5000]

1,000,000 votes? 1,000,000 broken hearts... £3,500,000 in Jagex's pocket 8-)

 

 

Now what's that supposed to mean? Lots of the people who voted would play the game anyway, given that they know their password, and not all of them will get a subscription because of the update.

 

 

Well, I am just poking a bit of fun at those players who might have returned due to the potential return of Free Trade/Wildy, I am all up for it... I am just a bit suspicious that this month updates seem to be very... High level focused? Almost as a compensation.

 

Anyway, I know Jagex won't pocket £3,500,000. But a fair number of previously-members will return with renewed subscriptions and a large increase with the f2p traffic. Well you see where I am going with this.

[Overdoziz]

Why not end the vote now? It's freaking 90% yes versus 7% no. Come on.

[Bladewing]

what harm is there in letting the poll run on? jagex isn't ready to reintroduce it anyway

[SixFootOne]

Why not end the vote now? It's freaking 90% yes versus 7% no. Come on.

 

To spread the word out as far as they can. Gain as much publicity as possible.

[Teamed]

Why was money created :thumbdown:

[Atom Smash40]

Why was money created :thumbdown:

that's the 2nd time this week i've read this. and not on this board either.

[Naraku893]

dont know if this has been posted yet- but i got the link on RSOF before it was leaked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmeEiFuuwA

 

 

anyone confirm? fake? guessing it is, but wanted to see if can be debunked

[FuryoftheGods]

dont know if this has been posted yet- but i got the link on RSOF before it was leaked

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmeEiFuuwA

 

 

 

anyone confirm? fake? guessing it is, but wanted to see if can be debunked

 

Yeah, fake according to mods ingame.

[GuidesForScapers]

I found out that it possible to make a fake vote in one minute.

 

Few easy steps:

1) click on "create a new player"

2) put a fake e-mail address (last one I used was [email protected]"

3) put a random ******** and then click on continue.. You don't even need to create a name to this fake player.

4) Login in the referendum page and then vote.

 

 

THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET A VOTE. DO IT!!

Whats the point... Lol. They already have more than 900k yes votes, they can't say no to that. It is already planned for release within a week of the end of the referendum (as stated in the January 3rd Just The Facts in the pmod forum, don't believe it if you don't want to but it is true) and is in development.

 

I personally can't wait. The number of 1 itemers in the wilderness will be tiny, everyone will be scared of losing their AGS :)

[Dragonlordjl]

I found out that it possible to make a fake vote in one minute.

 

Few easy steps:

1) click on "create a new player"

2) put a fake e-mail address (last one I used was [email protected]"

3) put a random ******** and then click on continue.. You don't even need to create a name to this fake player.

4) Login in the referendum page and then vote.

 

 

THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET A VOTE. DO IT!!

Whats the point... Lol. They already have more than 900k yes votes, they can't say no to that. It is already planned for release within a week of the end of the referendum (as stated in the January 3rd Just The Facts in the pmod forum, don't believe it if you don't want to but it is true) and is in development.

 

I personally can't wait. The number of 1 itemers in the wilderness will be tiny, everyone will be scared of losing their AGS :)

Don't even bother responding to ililili. He's just a troll, ignore him.

[pulli23]

Am I the only one having hard time to distinguish "virtual goods" from "real life goods" o.O They are both goods and I don't see the difference between a rune platebody and a coca-cola can ... they are both there to make you happy (kind'a).

You need to stay hydrated to survive, you don't need a rune platebody to survive!

If we're talking about basic needs coca cola is probably farther down on the list than a rune platebody :rolleyes:

 

If you're emotionally invested in something because you spent time/money/effort getting it, whether it's a physical object or a "virtual" object, it can be significant to you. Some are emotionally invested in their characters and avatars, and others aren't, and neither one of those choices is inherently better than the other.

But getting emotionally affected for a game is unhealth..

 

This is just a game don't forget that.. Nothing depends on it, nothing will come from it and in the end it will stop!

[SixFootOne]

dont know if this has been posted yet- but i got the link on RSOF before it was leaked

anyone confirm? fake? guessing it is, but wanted to see if can be debunked

 

Seems like someone is trying to sell some seers rings lol

 

 

Am I the only one having hard time to distinguish "virtual goods" from "real life goods" o.O They are both goods and I don't see the difference between a rune platebody and a coca-cola can ... they are both there to make you happy (kind'a).

You need to stay hydrated to survive, you don't need a rune platebody to survive!

If we're talking about basic needs coca cola is probably farther down on the list than a rune platebody :rolleyes:

 

If you're emotionally invested in something because you spent time/money/effort getting it, whether it's a physical object or a "virtual" object, it can be significant to you. Some are emotionally invested in their characters and avatars, and others aren't, and neither one of those choices is inherently better than the other.

But getting emotionally affected for a game is unhealth..

 

This is just a game don't forget that.. Nothing depends on it, nothing will come from it and in the end it will stop!

 

Well just because you start playing a game doesn't mean your brain turns off your emotions. People spend a lot of time on games, and it still hurts to know their time was wasted when they lose something.

Of course you are not really gaining anything from the game, but you can't exactly just control how you feel.

 

People get very emotional at sports don't they? The world cup? Super bowl? You get excited when jagex releases something cool don't you? Isn't that excitment an emotional product of the game?

 

 

 

 

I don't think it's fair to just assume we shouldn't be affected emotionalyl by this just because it's "a game". We spend time on it and in the end we are still slaves to our emtions. Now what one does with those emotions can the real unheallthy part, but that's a different story anyway.

[Hajutze]

But getting emotionally affected for a game is unhealth..

You couldn't be more wrong. Getting emotionally affected for a game is the same as getting emotionally affected for a book, animal .. heck even real life person. There is no difference.

[muggiwhplar]

Am I the only one having hard time to distinguish "virtual goods" from "real life goods" o.O They are both goods and I don't see the difference between a rune platebody and a coca-cola can ... they are both there to make you happy (kind'a).

You need to stay hydrated to survive, you don't need a rune platebody to survive!

If we're talking about basic needs coca cola is probably farther down on the list than a rune platebody :rolleyes:

 

If you're emotionally invested in something because you spent time/money/effort getting it, whether it's a physical object or a "virtual" object, it can be significant to you. Some are emotionally invested in their characters and avatars, and others aren't, and neither one of those choices is inherently better than the other.

But getting emotionally affected for a game is unhealth..

 

This is just a game don't forget that.. Nothing depends on it, nothing will come from it and in the end it will stop!

 

Same goes for just about any accomplishment you can think of-- RL or RS. When you die, it doesn't matter how much you time you spent exercising and being healthy-- your body's dunzo.

[pulli23]

Am I the only one having hard time to distinguish "virtual goods" from "real life goods" o.O They are both goods and I don't see the difference between a rune platebody and a coca-cola can ... they are both there to make you happy (kind'a).

You need to stay hydrated to survive, you don't need a rune platebody to survive!

If we're talking about basic needs coca cola is probably farther down on the list than a rune platebody :rolleyes:

 

If you're emotionally invested in something because you spent time/money/effort getting it, whether it's a physical object or a "virtual" object, it can be significant to you. Some are emotionally invested in their characters and avatars, and others aren't, and neither one of those choices is inherently better than the other.

But getting emotionally affected for a game is unhealth..

 

This is just a game don't forget that.. Nothing depends on it, nothing will come from it and in the end it will stop!

 

Same goes for just about any accomplishment you can think of-- RL or RS. When you die, it doesn't matter how much you time you spent exercising and being healthy-- your body's dunzo.

It does, we aren't animals anymore.. You've got to control your feelings, and your mind should tell you it's only a game, you can just "restart"!

[SixFootOne]

Am I the only one having hard time to distinguish "virtual goods" from "real life goods" o.O They are both goods and I don't see the difference between a rune platebody and a coca-cola can ... they are both there to make you happy (kind'a).

You need to stay hydrated to survive, you don't need a rune platebody to survive!

If we're talking about basic needs coca cola is probably farther down on the list than a rune platebody :rolleyes:

 

If you're emotionally invested in something because you spent time/money/effort getting it, whether it's a physical object or a "virtual" object, it can be significant to you. Some are emotionally invested in their characters and avatars, and others aren't, and neither one of those choices is inherently better than the other.

But getting emotionally affected for a game is unhealth..

 

This is just a game don't forget that.. Nothing depends on it, nothing will come from it and in the end it will stop!

 

Same goes for just about any accomplishment you can think of-- RL or RS. When you die, it doesn't matter how much you time you spent exercising and being healthy-- your body's dunzo.

It does, we aren't animals anymore.. You've got to control your feelings, and your mind should tell you it's only a game, you can just "restart"!

 

So you are telling me i can just control my emotions? if i lose my job, or someone i know dies i am supposed to just not feel bad about it? There is a difference between managing your emotions, and controling them. There is nothing you can really do that's going to change how you feel. But you can maganage them well enough that you won't do anything to make it have a negative impact on your life.

 

Telling myself it's just a game isn't going to make me feel any better about losing 100+ hours of something i worked for, and neither is telling myself i can just find another job if i lost mine.

 

Also, we are just animals. We like to think we have some civility in us, but look at what we do to ourselves and the world. We are driven by sexual desires, and greed to ensure we survive.

[Ginger_Warrior]

It does, we aren't animals anymore.. You've got to control your feelings, and your mind should tell you it's only a game, you can just "restart"!

You clearly know nothing about biology or psychology, so please stop trying to espouse as fact what is clearly personal opinion.

[Red_Eyed6]

dont know if this has been posted yet- but i got the link on RSOF before it was leaked

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmeEiFuuwA

 

 

 

anyone confirm? fake? guessing it is, but wanted to see if can be debunked

 

Yeah, fake according to mods ingame.

 

 

Seems legit to me...I'm pretty sure mod's get demoted for leaking info, so maybe that's why they say no. That thread on the video is worded more like Jagex's style. I know we have a few mod's amongst us here, so if they could contribute that'd be cool.