Jump to content
Jimmyw3000

Wilderness and free trade vote! - Now Closed

  

576 members have voted

  1. 1. Should Jagex reintroduce free trade and the old Wilderness?

    • Yes.
      351
    • No.
      169
    • Indifferent ...
      56


Recommended Posts

I have a feeling that even if a million people vote and it stays at 90% Jagex will pull the (we have 10million active players and not enough people voted) card.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a feeling that even if a million people vote and it stays at 90% Jagex will pull the (we have 10million active players and not enough people voted) card.

10 million active players? Lmfao.


Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn |

Jelly.pngOccultEpicKeyer21.pngBladewing.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a feeling that even if a million people vote and it stays at 90% Jagex will pull the (we have 10million active players and not enough people voted) card.

10 million active players? Lmfao.

 

So they say, I think its a load of crap, just like I really doubt there is still anywhere near a million members playing.

 

However I think its right up Jagex's alley to do that if they think its lulsy not to go through with adding free trade again. Basically I am not getting my hopes up just yet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a feeling that even if a million people vote and it stays at 90% Jagex will pull the (we have 10million active players and not enough people voted) card.

10 million active players? Lmfao.

 

So they say, I think its a load of crap, just like I really doubt there is still anywhere near a million members playing.

 

100k players playing at any time during the day, that can be a whole lot of different people.

Plus in a month it gets even more because some people are inactive but do monthly checks.

 

10million is a bit much though. 5 million is my guess.


Me and the wise old man go way back.... he was a foolish boy back then.

 

 

My crystal armour idea.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

mmh1mvotes.png

Last line rephrased:

"We need for this publicity stunt to actually WORK, so go tell your friends if you actually want it back!"

 

Also, gf to those who botted the first petition; it's starting to gnaw your butt and might bite it eventually.

 

Thats it, thats the proof that they are trolling.

 

Either that or nobody at the Jagex HQ actually has any sort of understanding of how statistics work. Actually, that would explain a lot.


PM me in game anytime

 

It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Either that or nobody at the Jagex HQ actually has any sort of understanding of how statistics work. Actually, that would explain a lot.

Even if no one there understands statistics 101 .. they can always use google .. you know .. "sample size calculator" .. google works wonders :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I too agree they are doing this for the lulz. ;D


pixelsig.png

nubguy.jpg

R.I.P. Neko :[

5,445,898,965th to 99 Woodcutting

Blogs are dead

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some new videos on RuneScape Youtube channel...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw3USFcht04&feature=channel

Also for Yes and No, but it's just a changed outro...

I liked that one.

 

"WHO CARES?"

 

I liked this video a lot...sums up the way I look at runescape, lol. Tons of people who run around crazy about something while I just keep to myself.

 

EDIT: I just realized all of the videos are the same...I don't really understand how this video relates to someone feeling "yes" or "no"


Myweponsgood.gif

Need assistance in any of these skills? PM me in game, my private chat is always ON

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My opinion of what is happening is that jagex have decided they are bringing back free trade, but know if they say that it is 100% coming back now, people will rage at them not releasing it a few seconds after the announcement, and will be constantly bombarded with "is it ready yet"

 

They are letting it run to the 14th so they have time to make the content, they just underestimated the rage after claiming they were not sure what people wanted yet.


Check it out, huge amount of effort has gone into this massive mod!

ODG6e0M.png

[hide=old sig]

newsig.png

[/hide]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MMH needs to learn statistics; isn't a sample size of like 16k enough for a population of 5 million even if you have a confidence level of 99% and margin of error of 1% ?


Don't cry because it's over smile because it happened.

I can't say I agree with this about pking and merchanting

this was my signature before the big nuke, it has returned

i also had 600+ posts. *sniff sniff*

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MMH needs to learn statistics; isn't a sample size of like 16k enough for a population of 5 million even if you have a confidence level of 99% and margin of error of 1% ?

yup 16533 (16586 with the other calculator but it's still ~16.5k) ... but of course by runescape standarts 16533 > 700000 so they need to get it up to ... um ... help me here :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, a sample size of 16K is enough for this poll, but for the petition it wasn't?

Halp.


pixelsig.png

nubguy.jpg

R.I.P. Neko :[

5,445,898,965th to 99 Woodcutting

Blogs are dead

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, a sample size of 16K is enough for this poll, but for the petition it wasn't?

Halp.

Um ... how to say it ... in the you didn't had 2 options. 16k people voting with only 1 options is diffferent than 16k people voting with more than 1 option. ... gah can someone with better english explain it to him ... ATM You have X% people voting for 1 of 2 or more options, then you had ... just a number of people saying yes.

 

In other words when you had the petition the only thing you could say is "X people want Y back", when you add the no option you can say "The ratio of people wanting and not wanting the update is X:Y".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MMH needs to learn statistics; isn't a sample size of like 16k enough for a population of 5 million even if you have a confidence level of 99% and margin of error of 1% ?

yup 16533 (16586 with the other calculator but it's still ~16.5k) ... but of course by runescape standarts 16533 > 700000 so they need to get it up to ... um ... help me here :lol:

 

Actually, i don't think it works that way. It would be 16.5k if they had randomly chosen players from their 5 mill population and have that 16.5k and only them vote. Then, it would be statistically significant. Otherwise, there is a bias in which the players who vote are only the ones who know about the referendum (even though you may argue that every player knows about it by now).

 

Anyways, my opinion is still that the first poll was absolutely flawed, and the ones who abused it unfairly by putting the names of players they knew didn't vote deserve what they are getting. Still i think it might reach the 1M votes...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MMH needs to learn statistics; isn't a sample size of like 16k enough for a population of 5 million even if you have a confidence level of 99% and margin of error of 1% ?

yup 16533 (16586 with the other calculator but it's still ~16.5k) ... but of course by runescape standarts 16533 > 700000 so they need to get it up to ... um ... help me here :lol:

 

Actually, i don't think it works that way. It would be 16.5k if they had randomly chosen players from their 5 mill population and have that 16.5k and only them vote. Then, it would be statistically significant. Otherwise, there is a bias in which the players who vote are only the ones who know about the referendum (even though you may argue that every player knows about it by now).

 

Anyways, my opinion is still that the first poll was absolutely flawed, and the ones who abused it unfairly by putting the names of players they knew didn't vote deserve what they are getting. Still i think it might reach the 1M votes...

 

Yes they need to be randomly chosen but it depends on the definition of random you're using*. They aren't limiting the accounts to "only 18-20 years old can vote". The only limitation is the "you need to play to know it"**. So the current vote represents the active players + the old pk player base but it can't represent all the players that have played the game (regardless of the time). But I think we are looking for the people interested in the game anyways.

 

* I am sure that there are players from all ages, countries, that love all the types of activities and etc that voted.

**I am sure that all the PKers from pre-2007 are already informed about the vote.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the problem is that the poll might not be is not representative of the population. the least of the biases here is voluntary response bias.

 

Well then it's a poorly done poll, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better if they just sent a message out to 50,000 active members asking the poll? This would be more then enough to be representative of the population of 10,000,000 down to a very small margin for error. Now I'm no statistics expert, I'm the type who only understands basic statistics for interpreting data but wouldn't this have been more effective if they really needed an honest answer?

 

It would have been more effective, however it would have defeated the ultimate purpose of pulling a publicity stunt to try and recapture the people who left in 2007. The problem is they left and moved on, and so did Runescape. They will never be able to recapture what they lost and I think this poll is beginning to show them that.


PM me in game anytime

 

It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the problem is that the poll might not be is not representative of the population. the least of the biases here is voluntary response bias.

 

Well then it's a poorly done poll, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better if they just sent a message out to 50,000 active members asking the poll? This would be more then enough to be representative of the population of 10,000,000 down to a very small margin for error. Now I'm no statistics expert, I'm the type who only understands basic statistics for interpreting data but wouldn't this have been more effective if they really needed an honest answer?

 

It would have been more effective, however it would have defeated the ultimate purpose of pulling a publicity stunt to try and recapture the people who left in 2007. The problem is they left and moved on, and so did Runescape. They will never be able to recapture what they lost and I think this poll is beginning to show them that.

 

The thing here is that you can't go by the book, in the statistically accurate sense, on this one, simply because if they did what you are saying, many would rant that they didn't have the opportunity to vote or that their opinion wasn't accounted for. Those players would be right. For that reason, this is the fairest way this could be handled, even though it isn't flawless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not going to vote in this poll:

 

I already voiced my opinion by signing the petition.. And if jagex would truly give about peopls opinion they wouldn't be so arrogant to ask us to vote twice! - Why would my vote change? They should just make so that each sign on the petition would represent a vote for "yes".


First they came to fishing

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing

 

Then they came to the yews

and I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews

 

Then they came for the ores

and I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores

 

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the problem is that the poll might not be is not representative of the population. the least of the biases here is voluntary response bias.

 

Well then it's a poorly done poll, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better if they just sent a message out to 50,000 active members asking the poll? This would be more then enough to be representative of the population of 10,000,000 down to a very small margin for error. Now I'm no statistics expert, I'm the type who only understands basic statistics for interpreting data but wouldn't this have been more effective if they really needed an honest answer?

 

It would have been more effective, however it would have defeated the ultimate purpose of pulling a publicity stunt to try and recapture the people who left in 2007. The problem is they left and moved on, and so did Runescape. They will never be able to recapture what they lost and I think this poll is beginning to show them that.

 

The thing here is that you can't go by the book, in the statistically accurate sense, on this one, simply because if they did what you are saying, many would rant that they didn't have the opportunity to vote or that their opinion wasn't accounted for. Those players would be right. For that reason, this is the fairest way this could be handled, even though it isn't flawless.

Any high school graduate would tell you that's bull [cabbage], but yeah, players would rant.

 

Big deal. Players rant about everything.

 

Edit @pulli: are you [bleep]ing kidding me? Did you forget the part where bots signed random names from the high scores to the petition? Get off your lazy ass and vote with your login info so they know it's you.


Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn |

Jelly.pngOccultEpicKeyer21.pngBladewing.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

The thing here is that you can't go by the book, in the statistically accurate sense, on this one, simply because if they did what you are saying, many would rant that they didn't have the opportunity to vote or that their opinion wasn't accounted for. Those players would be right. For that reason, this is the fairest way this could be handled, even though it isn't flawless.

 

Nope, they wouldn't be right. Not every player needs to be sampled for the entire population to be represented. Jagex could explain how these statistics work and get a much more accurate idea of the alignments of players. Players ranting shouldn't get in the way of them getting a statistically accurate representation. Players will rant no matter what, players were ranting what phase one, they are ranting which phase two, and any other phase they would rant. Thus it is up to Jagex to simply do what is most effective, which they are choosing not to do in order to pull their little stunt.


PM me in game anytime

 

It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the problem is that the poll might not be is not representative of the population. the least of the biases here is voluntary response bias.

 

Well then it's a poorly done poll, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better if they just sent a message out to 50,000 active members asking the poll? This would be more then enough to be representative of the population of 10,000,000 down to a very small margin for error. Now I'm no statistics expert, I'm the type who only understands basic statistics for interpreting data but wouldn't this have been more effective if they really needed an honest answer?

 

It would have been more effective, however it would have defeated the ultimate purpose of pulling a publicity stunt to try and recapture the people who left in 2007. The problem is they left and moved on, and so did Runescape. They will never be able to recapture what they lost and I think this poll is beginning to show them that.

 

well your right but either way it seems like the votes may still get to 1 million as the climb, while slowing has still reached the 700k mark


"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." - Confucius

 

 

"choosing your path is the true trial", "the most honorable dilemma"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As Jagex is removing the limits on the Grand Exchange, I'd like to see them replace the current system with an actual auction house, like most other MMOs.

 

I mean, if they're going to have a win-all strategy against gold farmers, then there's really no need to have the GE be anonymous anymore, right?


banner6jf.jpg

 

jomali.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As Jagex is removing the limits on the Grand Exchange, I'd like to see them replace the current system with an actual auction house, like most other MMOs.

 

I mean, if they're going to have a win-all strategy against gold farmers, then there's really no need to have the GE be anonymous anymore, right?

 

its a lot of effort to turn it into a true auction house. I doubt Jagex will bother, although it would be nice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As Jagex is removing the limits on the Grand Exchange, I'd like to see them replace the current system with an actual auction house, like most other MMOs.

 

I mean, if they're going to have a win-all strategy against gold farmers, then there's really no need to have the GE be anonymous anymore, right?

 

its a lot of effort to turn it into a true auction house. I doubt Jagex will bother, although it would be nice.

Would an auction house be better? I kind of like the current system, though how it works can be improved. Yeah, it's not transparent, but that allows a system where you get a great idea of overall player perception of item's worth.

 

PS: I assume Shared Loot will change so that the players get the gp as if the item is sold for the average price. It'd be awesome shared loot worked with PvP (reduce risk of PJ even more).


nukemarine.png

Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in Japanese
Stop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easy
Reach Elite Fitness - CrossFit

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.