Dungeoneering and Free Trade

[Th e Doctor]

With the apparent coming re release of free trade there has been a lot of hype about things like the return of law running and other such companies springing back up from out of the dust Jagex left them in during the RWT crusade.

 

Something im eager to see however is pro teams for dg offering to 4 man larges and charging the leech "x" amount of money based off of either time, exp for the floor or a combination of the two.

 

Does this mean we will see dungeoneering become a decent source of income for the pros out there? And on those lines will this make dungeoneering a "buyable" skill? I personally would shell out 50 mil at the drop of a hat just for 85 dungeoneering for the rapier and other goodies.

[Quyneax]

You could get friends and spend the dungeon just fishing, which is pretty decent xp, too.

 

But no, I don't think it'll be popular because of trust issues, that is, are you going to pay before the floor? Or after the floor? Either you get kicked or you don't pay (theoretically).

[Sy_Accursed]

Doubt it.

As with free trade before hand jagex monitors trade to see they r roughly balanced and not just someone giving/recieving masses of items or money continually which suggests a bot or scammer.

No doubt some will try it, but theres also the flaw tht EVERY person on the team matters for the final xp.

 

A few may try it but its too scammy and one sided to really flourish imo; afterall whats to stop them taking ur chase the booting u from the team? etc.

Also its not like dg doesnt make huge bucks already. Chaotic gears leads to big bucks in combat thru fast easy kills. The various scrolls about farming and herblore make big savings for people and thus make trianing more cost effective or even profitable. And of course dg unlocks frostys for their wonderfully sellable bones and other nice drops.

[Sir_Squab]

I'd say it's mainly the trust issues. Pay before, oh, naw we're not DG'ing with you. Pay after, boot after boss. Plus, pro DG'ers tend to be overall fairly wealthy players to begin with, so you'd have to pay a lot of money for it to be worth it to them.

 

Some will try it, but I can't see it becoming big.

[Toad]

Doubt it, but it falls under a trust trade, so it's a scam.

[Krampell]

Indeed, there is a huge scam chance on both ends.

Either pay first and then get kicked before boss.

Or pay after and then... not pay after.

 

It's like lending before it was combined with trade.

[Stommel]

I guess if it was an organised group run thing it could be popular (and trustworthy, with black lists etc). I don't see it as a bad thing though, providing it isn't against any rules and there's no RWT involved

[Star_Fox]

You could get friends and spend the dungeon just fishing, which is pretty decent xp, too.

 

But no, I don't think it'll be popular because of trust issues, that is, are you going to pay before the floor? Or after the floor? Either you get kicked or you don't pay (theoretically).

 

And the fact that nobody will even do this. :rolleyes:

[green9090]

Doubt it, but it falls under a trust trade, so it's a scam.

Trust trades aren't against the rules, they're just not recommended because they COULD be scams.

 

But yeah, the problem is that pro DGers are going to have a pretty high price for this sort of thing, and the aforementioned scamming.

[Sy_Accursed]

Doubt it, but it falls under a trust trade, so it's a scam.

Trust trades aren't against the rules, they're just not recommended because they COULD be scams.

 

But yeah, the problem is that pro DGers are going to have a pretty high price for this sort of thing, and the aforementioned scamming.

 

Wrong.

Few month before free trade went rules were amended to make trust trades a rule breach and reportable.

[green9090]

Wrong.

Few month before free trade went rules were amended to make trust trades a rule breach and reportable.

Oh Christ, you again? What, do you follow me around waiting for me to be right so you can be loudly wrong at me?

 

They started banning for trust trades, but that was because they were mistaken for RWT. It was never a hard rule that you couldn't trust trade, it was just that Jagex might lock you up and throw away the key if they misinterpreted the situation. Presumably they'll be less stupid this time, but we'll see.

[Sy_Accursed]

Wrong.

Few month before free trade went rules were amended to make trust trades a rule breach and reportable.

Oh Christ, you again? What, do you follow me around waiting for me to be right so you can be loudly wrong at me?

 

They started banning for trust trades, but that was because they were mistaken for RWT. It was never a hard rule that you couldn't trust trade, it was just that Jagex might lock you up and throw away the key if they misinterpreted the situation. Presumably they'll be less stupid this time, but we'll see.

 

No it was in a rule change, I strongly recollect it as there was a mass of threads praising jagex as it finally made a huge chunk of scammers reportable who previously weren't.

I'm sure of it; granted its not in the current rules as it is irrelevant when trust trade is all but impossible.

[green9090]

No it was in a rule change, I strongly recollect it as there was a mass of threads praising jagex as it finally made a huge chunk of scammers reportable who previously weren't.

I'm sure of it; granted its not in the current rules as it is irrelevant when trust trade is all but impossible.

Scammers who weren't reportable? You could always report someone for trying to trim armor or play the "trust game," that's totally different from paying someone for a legitimate service up front, like what this thread is about.

 

I'm quite sure you're remembering something else, and since by your own admission it's not in the rules now and I can tell you for a fact it never was, why not just back off and stop trying to catch me slipping up? Don't worry, you'll do it some day.

[Toad]

No it was in a rule change, I strongly recollect it as there was a mass of threads praising jagex as it finally made a huge chunk of scammers reportable who previously weren't.

I'm sure of it; granted its not in the current rules as it is irrelevant when trust trade is all but impossible.

Scammers who weren't reportable? You could always report someone for trying to trim armor or play the "trust game," that's totally different from paying someone for a legitimate service up front, like what this thread is about.

 

I'm quite sure you're remembering something else, and since by your own admission it's not in the rules now and I can tell you for a fact it never was, why not just back off and stop trying to catch me slipping up? Don't worry, you'll do it some day.

 

Not entirely sure if it was, but I do remember a post about trust trades at some stage, whether it was reportable or just trying to tell players not to fall for it I do not know ;)

[Sy_Accursed]

I'm not trying to catch anyone slipping up you fool.

I just correct posts where I know from memory or reference or research it to be wrong; if anyone is trying to catch people it would be you given you pop up on nearly every help thread I do and insist I am wrong.

 

Your claim is your memory is 100% right?

How is that anymore true than my memory?

[Soma2035]

First of all, trust trades aren't against the rules.

 

5. What does 'item scam' mean?

 

To 'item scam' means to cheat another player during a trade. Lying to other players for your own personal gain is not in the spirit of our games and will not be tolerated.

 

Does anyone remember boss hunting before the trade limits? It was one big trust game. You and your teammates operate under the agreement (often unspoken since you're all familiar with it) that if someone dies, you'll do your best to rescue all his tradeable items, and if you get any big treasure, you'll split it with everyone else. This was one big trust game. Some people will lie - I've had supposedly good friends walk away with a huge pile of cash, forsaking their teams. When they don't hold up to their agreement, it's an item scam, as you lied for your own benefit, but Jagex likely won't do much about it (to get the evidence together would take a lot more work on their part, even though it's probably floating somewhere in their servers).

 

Also, although RWT is against the rules, there are already people who pay real money to leech Dungeoneering. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's people who would pay RS money to leech Dungeoneering legally. And the risk of a scam isn't as high as you make it out to be. If you pay after every floor, you can at most scam them out of one floor of money. Anyone who wants to offer this service can't go around ripping off their customers; that'll kill their reputation pretty quickly. Similarly, anyone who wants to use this type of service to get anywhere isn't going to be ripping someone off for one floor when he needs fifty.

 

EDIT: Sy_Accursed, are you possibly remembering the policy change where LURING became considered an item scam? Trust trades include quite a variety of what was normal before the trade limits and various other features. Remember when people asked their good friends to make Amulets of Fury for them? Or D'hide armor? Those were trust trades too. Heck, the first iterations of rune-running were trust trades - you bring me essence, I bind them and give you runes. It didn't take long for people to realize you could just trade noted essence and save time, but still, the original was never called a scam.

[Th e Doctor]

So if this becomes a thing, how much money/exp or money/hr do you think would be charged?

[TheAncient]

I would totally do this. Pay my team each 500K before the floor and 500K afterward and you have a done deal. 30 minute floors either way.

[Edlenchen]

Now jagex is monitoring xp gain is a certain amount of time. One of my clan members got suspected of botting and his mining lvl was taken from 77 to 10 in one go (he had 50 mining at lvl 70 and got suspected 3 years later). This shows how Jagex's system is innacurate (or maybe he just got unlucky). That being the case, buying dungeoneering would be hard if the system is very sensitive. And i doubt this will bring back hoards of bots in f2p yews.

[Low C]

I enjoy DG, it's one of the fastest non-buyables as well. Why spend gp for a skill that you find enjoyable and is already fast.

[Pinkbullet3]

I personally would shell out 50 mil at the drop of a hat just for 85 dungeoneering for the rapier and other goodies.

Really?

 

Really?

 

I came so close to throwing up in my mouth after reading that.

[green9090]

I personally would shell out 50 mil at the drop of a hat just for 85 dungeoneering for the rapier and other goodies.

Really?

 

Really?

 

I came so close to throwing up in my mouth after reading that.

...Why? I could have easily made 50mil in the time I spent from 1-85 dungeoneering with bad random teams, especially with all the ragequitters. 50m for 85 dungeoneering is an incredibly good deal.

 

Are you telling me you don't think the best weapon in the game is worth 50m?

[Ashoke]

Hm, I suppose it's a bit off topic, but how much would you say the Chaotic weapons would be if they were tradeable?

[TheAncient]

Hm, I suppose it's a bit off topic, but how much would you say the Chaotic weapons would be if they were tradeable?

 

i would easily them for 8M a piece. line of reasoning: dging is fun and i'd be happy to make 1m/h doing it. takes about 8 hours for me to get one.

[Pinkbullet3]

That actually does sound like a deal. I was only a little disgusted when I read that because of the fact that it's so easy to get 85 dungeoneering (quite the overstatement, lol). I'd rather spend the money to get from 85-100 where afterwards, one could easily obtain 200k tokens anytime he pleased.

 

How long would it take those serviceproviders to run a person though so many dungeons in order to obtain him 200k tokens?