When gearing up for slayer today, i noticed a dusty old ring in my bank i haven't used in months. Imbued onyx ring.

So i started thinking why don't i actually use it anymore - I always choose imbued versions of berserker, seers and archers ring over it. I guess i find them more effective.

 

Are there actually any places where onyx is more effective than other rings? Bosses perhaps, some stronger monsters, hybriding?

 

Discuss. :)

dagannoth kings tribrid is the only PvE place it's best

 

and even then people usually use dstone (i) because onyx (i) protects over [bleep]ing everything

Safe pvp tribridding I guess.

Safe pvp tribridding I guess.

I guess even there you could prefer a stronger KO over more overall accuracy, but yeah, onyx (i) is really only for tribrid. And the only place you use that is DKS or pvp.

Isn't Onyx ring (i) very good at Corp too for it's +6 in stab?

It is good, but i think berserker(i) with it's +8 strength beats it. Something along the lines of "the increased accuracy is not big enough to compensate the loss of +8 strength bonus".

Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess.

DK's and corp.

TDs?

 

im no exspert but dont thay require difrent combat styles?

I thought Qeltar did a study over attack VS strength bonus. It wasn't exactly his best work, but it showed believably enough that on higher level monsters, the two can be of equal importance, and drawing from that, if it's 1:1 then +6 attack and +6 to all defenses beats +8 strength.

Kinda leads me to ask why the Onyx Ring (I) didn't just get +6 strength lol...

 

How about Waterfiends?

For TDS it's actually better to use berserker ring, especially if you have a steel titan. Might be semi useful if you don't use titan, so you have some melee accuracy + more range.

 

EDIT: waterfiends with iron/steel titan in chaos tunnels. Onyx could be better or equal to zerker.

Oh, could you give me a link to that guide please? Or just explain a little further?

Onyx is just barely worse than berserker on corp, but its protect value is actually helpful there. With dhide and max gear you can keep spear, fury, onyx ring, and barrows gloves/stat hammer, risking only nezzy/fighter hat, d boots, and ardy/fire cape as far as notable stuff rather than having to lose zerker (i). Very good cheap setup, my preference for FFA.

EDIT: waterfiends with iron/steel titan in chaos tunnels. Onyx could be better or equal to zerker.

Oh, could you give me a link to that guide please? Or just explain a little further?

Sorry, I went to look for it right after I posted that, and can't seem to find exactly what I was talking about. Also, it seems Qeltar has let his site go to hell and in the same newspost denounced RuneScape as a great and manipulative evil...

How unfortunate. Ignore what I said above as any definitive proof... :rolleyes:

Qeltar's testing proved that you get 5% more black dragon kills without a ring. He didn't test with potions either because that would make the test unfair :rolleyes:. You can basically disregard his tests as accurate as they are.

Qeltar's testing proved that you get 5% more black dragon kills without a ring. He didn't test with potions either because that would make the test unfair :rolleyes:. You can basically disregard his tests as accurate as they are.

 

also there wasn't substantial evidence to refute the null hypothesis at a confidence level of α=0.80, lol

 

qeltar uses the pseudoscientific method

Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess.

 

You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.

I thought Qeltar did a study over attack VS strength bonus. It wasn't exactly his best work, but it showed believably enough that on higher level monsters, the two can be of equal importance, and drawing from that, if it's 1:1 then +6 attack and +6 to all defenses beats +8 strength.

Kinda leads me to ask why the Onyx Ring (I) didn't just get +6 strength lol...

 

How about Waterfiends?

 

It'd be too powerful with a strength bonus, too, pfft.

 

But I'm sure it has it's uses. Everything in the game has a use, one way or the other.

Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess.

 

You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.

Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus.

Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess.

 

You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.

Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus.

 

DFS has higher strength bonus.

Zerker (i) is better at every boss, imo

 

As far as dk's solo tribrid, mage bonus is trivial, strength bonus is huge (most damage is taken while meleeing supreme), and range bonus isn't that big of a deal (as range strength is not affected and prime has pretty low range defence to a chaotic crossbow anyways). PLUS most people would rather lose an zerker (i) and protect a rapier than lose a rapier and protect an onyx (i).

 

With the update where you can't get randomed running back to corp, there's no huge risk in taking zerker (i) barring disconnection.

Onyx(i) might be better against waterfiends, since it gives crush att bonus, range and mage def bonus. Berserker(i) would still be better for maxed players with cmaul, but for someone with 80-90 stats, no unicorn and zs/ss, the exra att/def bonuses of onyx might be worth it.

Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess.

 

You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.

Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus.

 

DFS has higher strength bonus.

Look out, it's the semantics police!

 

A strength bonus will always be better than an equal attack bonus under any circumstances. This is clearly what Quyneax was talking about. Can we move on now?

onyx is better for ls corp for the mage def bonus, although berserker is better in ffa situations

as far as the significance of the random-free corp update know that there was a way to ward off randoms using the xp counter so nothing really changed unless you didn't know what you were doing

Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess.

 

You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.

Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus.

 

DFS has higher strength bonus.

Look out, it's the semantics police!

 

A strength bonus will always be better than an equal attack bonus under any circumstances. This is clearly what Quyneax was talking about. Can we move on now?

 

Look out, it's the usual typical smartass at large! Ever have something to say without all the added doucheyness?

 

 

I didn't disagree with what he had to say, I just pointed out his error before someone else got to it. Bar extremely high defense monsters, of which few to none exist currently, strength always wins over accuracy bonus, at least when both are in close proximity of each other bonus wise.

Onyx (i) being useful at:

- Corp LS

- waterfiends at lower levels(defence, magic)

 

Berserker (i) everywhere else.

So i guess if you don't have an onyx ring (i) yet and considering buying it, don't. Except if you do lots of LS corp trips.

 

This leaves me with another question.. What to do with my 2 onyx rings.. Probably just keeping them, unless you can get reward credit back for un-imbuing.