Great, now this has descended into a discussion of powergaming tactics... Well, I guess its a time to add another item to my list of pathfinder rules glitches, since you can get listed benefits from getting your animal companion to 3 int when getting it to 3 int makes it no longer able to be an animal companion(in addition to a whole complicated set of issues in running the barely magical beast).

 

My character is a Tengu Rogue who knows way too many languages

Wyvren are you serious?

Great, now this has descended into a discussion of powergaming tactics... Well, I guess its a time to add another item to my list of pathfinder rules glitches, since you can get listed benefits from getting your animal companion to 3 int when getting it to 3 int makes it no longer able to be an animal companion(in addition to a whole complicated set of issues in running the barely magical beast).

 

My character is a Tengu Rogue who knows way too many languages

 

Where does it say that? If I can't get proficiency, it'll still have +8 to attack, so still be fine.

 

Do creatures usually get simple weapon profiency?

When a creature hits Int 3, it becomes a magical beast which causes all sorts of insane things to happen in the rules, such as it becomes an NPC as a result of becoming sentient and what not, so you end up having to use diplomacy and such in order to get it to do things it doesn't want, and you have to make it happy so it doesn't just leave.

 

Creatures only have proficency with their natural weapons or the weapons they are listed with in the bestiary

Okay, Bobo is now an intelligence 2 animal companion.

 

It doesn't have proficiency with weapons, but it can still use them!

Wait so I could use diplomacy to make Bobo not attack me, and attack Retech?

 

Cause I have a bunch of levels in handle animal (Could that be used to soothe the beast if she puts him at to 2 int?)

Wait so I could use diplomacy to make Bobo not attack me, and attack Retech?

 

Bobo is now intelligence 2

Duel you again once you sort bobo out?

Don't you take a pretty hefty negative modifier if you aren't proficient with weapons.

 

Also, for gods sake stop dueling. It encourages you to powergame so that you can wave your.... character at other people.

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And it means we wont do it in the actual game, and it also means we figure out if our characters are breaking the rules.

Oh, no, I was wondering if I had any extra GP. Was going to have my character own a Cold Iron Sai or something. Usefull if we do need it.

:rolleyes:

 

I might make my wolf sentient, just so there's someone in the party to talk to. It would also free up Handle Animal. :)

 

Either way, I think I'll just keep what I have. I don't need him to be powerful, just to be there for me. *sniffle*

Being intelligent =/= able to talk.

 

 

Something about voiceboxes...

Oh, and I'd really like to duel someone. I don't care about getting that much more powerful, Natural Attacks are a bit less than optimized anyways, I just want to see Dyeedi in action.

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Also: /join #stealthspeak

Quick question; can I use the Improved Unarmed Strikes tree with claws? It seems to be essentially the only place where the more player-used Unarmed Strike can be adapted to Natural Weapons, which have less depth.

 

Also, I reeeeally like the Changeling, but could I pooooossibly switch out the Wisdom bonus for Dexterity? :-#

 

It's that, or otherwise ruin the character somehow to improve survivability. Also, I might be multiclassing in Monk.

So Nex, you basically want to keep the flavor of the changeling without all the mechanics?

I suppose just a little. It's perfect except for kinda gimping me in terms of ability scores.

 

Actually... With a bit of modification and equal distribution between Monk and Ranger, this is much better...

I'm playing a warforged. It has a net -2, and a +2 to con, which is a useless stat to me.

 

I think you'll live with having a +2 to wisdom instead of dex.

I'm sure you can make it work. Perhaps it doesn't allow a specific kind of idea, but a little of tweaking can always make it work. A small kobold with -4 to str is never going to be a melee heavy hitter, for example.

 

You know that the monk bonuses to AC only apply when you're unarmored, right?

 

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Hey guys, what should our party's flag be?

Quick question; can I use the Improved Unarmed Strikes tree with claws? It seems to be essentially the only place where the more player-used Unarmed Strike can be adapted to Natural Weapons, which have less depth.

 

Also, I reeeeally like the Changeling, but could I pooooossibly switch out the Wisdom bonus for Dexterity? :-#

 

It's that, or otherwise ruin the character somehow to improve survivability. Also, I might be multiclassing in Monk.

 

Some of the feats can be used, if their effects do not require you to use Unarmed Strike, as you would not get any Unarmed Strike bonuses. (you would still need to take improved unarmed strike unless Grim allowed you to skip it)

I Very much doubt you will get Grim to let you move fixed stat bonuses around, as restricted stat bonuses is an expense you pay for taking unusual races as opposed to the core races and 2 dexterity points is not going to get your character killed.

 

For once can we please bring down the degree to which quite a few of you are being such excessive Powergamers, as this is getting to be extremely annoying. (I really dont want to have to bring out my skill at Theoretical and practical optimization [i dont really like doing so when there are other options, and I am a follower of the The Ten Commandments of Practical Optimization when I do], and I Really dont want Grim to have to resort to 'Rock falls, Everyone dies')

Got it. :thumbup:

 

What would people say that the symbol of the tavern is? And could you explain said commandments of practical optimization?

Also on another note what it this that I have been hearing about someone having the horrible idea of giving an animal companion an intelligent weapon?

Not only that, Wyvren, the weapon is Neutral and only has Empathy.

 

And yeah, my character isn't perfect and doesn't have the best stuff as is, but it just feels right now. I'm going to stick with it! :D

 

Just a few mods here and there to adjust it... Almost there!