Helm_Lardar Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I'm thinking about sacrificing a the arcane blast necklace for arcane pulse. What do you guys think? I plan on using the following gear at barrows: Dagon'hai robes.Arcane NecklaceAncient BookArdougne CloakMystic BootsAncient Staff While blast be so much better it's worth the slog of dungeoneering? I would like to know before I embark on this journey :unsure: . Helm Lardar I'm not an efficienado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Only the arcane stream necklace is worth getting. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helm_Lardar Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Only the arcane stream necklace is worth getting.I beg to differ. I can barely stand dungeoneering, I'm not high levelled, and I've already decided it's not worth the effort for a measly 5% more. I'm asking if 5% less than blast will make a big difference to barrows runs. I'm not an efficienado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegelstad Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yes it will, might as well use fury if you are not getting an arcane stream. My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexiledRazz Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 You should go as high as you can with the magic necklaces. I'd really advise getting a stream. The tokens really start to pick up when you start teaming larges at levels 65 - 70. I've already made enough to get a stream, and I'm only 67 dungeoneering. I spent them on a scroll of life and scroll of cleansing, and i still have 10k tokens left over. I could get to level 70 and 30k tokens in a day if i wanted to. But with the obvious advice aside, please never get an arcane pulse. It's not even worth it by F2P standards. At least the blast is remotely useful since it's a F2P necklace. But i still advise saving your tokens and getting a stream! Hexiled Razz. Player since March 8th, 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 unless you're F2p, only Stream is worth itIf you're F2p, only blast is worth it. DO NOT GET A PULSE, the ONLY reason you'd ever buy a Pusle is if you're at the point where you literally have nothing left to buy with your tokens (which includes xp btw) Only the arcane stream necklace is worth getting.I beg to differ. I can barely stand dungeoneering, I'm not high levelled, and I've already decided it's not worth the effort for a measly 5% more. I'm asking if 5% less than blast will make a big difference to barrows runs. Not liking a skill doesn't change the worthwhileness of the item. Not being high leveld now is no excuse to spend tokens a [cabbage] reward now. Get higher level, get the higher reward. Yes, the 5% will make a difference. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. Wow, really? I thought equipment magic damage bonus is additive. You learn something new every day. Or more specifically, every time Grimy posts. On topic, if you're a member, save up for stream, if you're a free player, get a blast. Never get a pulse unless you're some kind of 30 magic pure or something stupid like that. [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. Are you sure it works like that for the stream and the SoL? I know that magic damage boosts stack multiplicatively for different types of boosts (I HAVE tested that myself) I was always under the impression that boosts of the same type wouldn't stack multiplicatively. Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. On ice strykes, I wear stream, chaotic staff, fsh.I use a wolpertinger So thats 1.15x1.2x1.15x1.21= 1.92 Fire surge normally maxes 280280x1.92 = 537.6537.6x2 = 1075add the +80 damage with fire cape, that's 1155.2 My current highest hit is a 1146 Lets assume the visible equipment boost is displayed as is (as in stream+chaotic give a solid 35%, and don't multiply together to be higher)If we use your theory, but exclude the 1.15X1.20 for equiepemt (so it's 1.35x1.15x1.21) 1.35x1.15x1.21 = 1.88 280x1.88 = 526.4526.4x2 = 1052.8+80 damage = 1132.8 ......so my max is in the middle of the two theories....brain hurt. I know for a fact the highest I've hit is a 1146, and every maxxing video/picture I've seen is also the same.Idk, there's a number somewhere we don't see. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Is_Great Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. I think he's right, I've hit over 468 (max with ice barrage, cstaff, ASN, +7 mage) before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose No Hope Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. On ice strykes, I wear stream, chaotic staff, fsh.I use a wolpertinger So thats 1.15x1.2x1.15x1.21= 1.92 Fire surge normally maxes 280280x1.92 = 537.6537.6x2 = 1075add the +80 damage with fire cape, that's 1155.2 My current highest hit is a 1146 Lets assume the visible equipment boost is displayed as is (as in stream+chaotic give a solid 35%, and don't multiply together to be higher)If we use your theory, but exclude the 1.15X1.20 for equiepemt (so it's 1.35x1.15x1.21) 1.35x1.15x1.21 = 1.88 280x1.88 = 526.4526.4x2 = 1052.8+80 damage = 1132.8 ......so my max is in the middle of the two theories....brain hurt. I know for a fact the highest I've hit is a 1146, and every maxxing video/picture I've seen is also the same.Idk, there's a number somewhere we don't see.is the damage for surge capped possibly? [hide]unbinding green's kidneys for ltk's heartdo you farm guam like me sir ltk[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 possible....but that is an extremely random cap.... Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhesitating Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Don't get some thing lower, because eventually you'll want the stream, and will regret having spent tokens on a worthless item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 possible....but that is an extremely random cap....it's possible that each magic item is uniquely hardcoded.In which case SOME of them stack multiplicatively, and some stack otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinII Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Well, for PvP the damage boost shown on the equipment interface needs to be multiplied by the extra damage you get from a magic potion or Magic Focus scroll. So for Ice Barrage in the best possible gear: 300*1.35 (chaotic staff+arcane stream necklace)*1.21 (Magic Focus scroll)=490. So far this simple calculation has never been wrong for me. Staves and the arcane necklaces stack on each other to form one big boost, while damage boosts from potions or scrolls act like a seperate damage boost. Sorry, I'm terrible at explaining things in English... I'm Dutch. But when you equip a hexcrest or a full Slayer helm on a Slayer task this calculation will no longer work :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose No Hope Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 possible....but that is an extremely random cap....it's possible that each magic item is uniquely hardcoded.In which case SOME of them stack multiplicatively, and some stack otherwise.I was actually thinking about this. Possibly some have a priority over others on the ones they stack with and how they stack.An example would be (stream+cstaff)fsh instead of (cstaff*fsh)+stream. (note this is an example i pulled out of the air, not actually accurate on what it is/may be) Edit: Maybe later when I'm bored, I'll mess with the order of operations for the bonuses used at ice strykes to get a hopefully somewhat definitive result or at the least a possible stacking order to match the current max hit at strykes. [hide]unbinding green's kidneys for ltk's heartdo you farm guam like me sir ltk[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. On ice strykes, I wear stream, chaotic staff, fsh.I use a wolpertinger So thats 1.15x1.2x1.15x1.21= 1.92 Fire surge normally maxes 280280x1.92 = 537.6537.6x2 = 1075add the +80 damage with fire cape, that's 1155.2 My current highest hit is a 1146 Lets assume the visible equipment boost is displayed as is (as in stream+chaotic give a solid 35%, and don't multiply together to be higher)If we use your theory, but exclude the 1.15X1.20 for equiepemt (so it's 1.35x1.15x1.21) 1.35x1.15x1.21 = 1.88 280x1.88 = 526.4526.4x2 = 1052.8+80 damage = 1132.8 ......so my max is in the middle of the two theories....brain hurt. I know for a fact the highest I've hit is a 1146, and every maxxing video/picture I've seen is also the same.Idk, there's a number somewhere we don't see. I always thought the + 80 was added to the base hit before all the multiplication. If so, that would allow you to hit 1146+. If I can't hit as high as the max hit, I just assume I haven't hit it, not that the max is lower. Idk. Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 if you aren't sold already, just know that magic damage bonuses stack multiplicatively.If you wear an arcane stream and a staff of light at the same time, the inventory screen SAYS 15%+15% = 30% damage boost.but, as i have been informed (didnt test this myself), the max hit is higher than a 30% damage boost. in reality you get 1.15x1.15 = 1.3225x damageevery little bit counts in runescape. In the case of magic damage boost, it is particularly important since that stacking is not additive like the rest of runescape. On ice strykes, I wear stream, chaotic staff, fsh.I use a wolpertinger So thats 1.15x1.2x1.15x1.21= 1.92 Fire surge normally maxes 280280x1.92 = 537.6537.6x2 = 1075add the +80 damage with fire cape, that's 1155.2 My current highest hit is a 1146 Lets assume the visible equipment boost is displayed as is (as in stream+chaotic give a solid 35%, and don't multiply together to be higher)If we use your theory, but exclude the 1.15X1.20 for equiepemt (so it's 1.35x1.15x1.21) 1.35x1.15x1.21 = 1.88 280x1.88 = 526.4526.4x2 = 1052.8+80 damage = 1132.8 ......so my max is in the middle of the two theories....brain hurt. I know for a fact the highest I've hit is a 1146, and every maxxing video/picture I've seen is also the same.Idk, there's a number somewhere we don't see. I always thought the + 80 was added to the base hit before all the multiplication. If so, that would allow you to hit 1146+. If I can't hit as high as the max hit, I just assume I haven't hit it, not that the max is lower. Idk. No, the fire cape grants you a +40 to your original hitdoing fire spells doubles that, to +80 to your original hit Doing fire spells DOES NOT grant you 160 bonus damage Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notasoupbowl Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Pretty sure prov posted a pic of a 1200ish hit on an isw with fire surge. I know the max with sol instead of chaotic staff is 1106. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Pretty sure prov posted a pic of a 1200ish hit on an isw with fire surge. I know the max with sol instead of chaotic staff is 1106. no, you cannot hit over 1200, no math supports that. Unless he counted the surgebox effect. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helm_Lardar Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 OKay, well I'll buy a blast then. If pulse is so bad. I can always get a steam when I reach 70, but I doubt that willhappen soon and I'd rather get something now. It's only 150k xp's worth. I'm not an efficienado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracleman58 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 OKay, well I'll buy a blast then. If pulse is so bad. I can always get a steam when I reach 70, but I doubt that willhappen soon and I'd rather get something now. It's only 150k xp's worth. You'll regret doing that in the long run. Always think of the long run. You wouldnt buy a Gravite rapier just beause you dont like dung. 1593th to 99 Farming - July 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown_Warrior Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I was of the same mentality earlier. I only did DG for the odd rewards (Gem bag, Scroll of life and cleansing) and thought I had it over by then. However, after learning the damage potential for Chaotics, I dragged myself to get about 65 DG after which I started teaming and learned how surprisingly fun it can be. I'm now going for, at least 85 on my own accord. tl;dr: Don't do anything rash, you might find yourself in DGS in week spamming "Ne1 hosting abs?". Dragon Drops : 5 Dragon Medium Helmets, 3 Dragon Claws, 3 Dragon platelegs, 2 Dragon plateskirts, 2 Dragon Hatchets, 2 Dragon Spears, 7 pairs of Dragon Boots, 1 Dragon pickaxe, 10 Dragon defenders, 3 Dragon 2h swords, 1 Dragon armour Slice, 1 Dragon armour Lump, 1 Dragon chainbody, 1 Dragon kiteshield, 1 Dragon hasta, 1 Dragon ward, 25 Dragon knives pairsThe Warrior's Blog , Herblore Habitat - Efficient and profitable[hide=Stats and logs].:Adventurer's Log:.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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