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What are your guys thoughts? I checked and there isn't a recent topic on it (since the California bill) and I'm just wondering on people's different opinions.

I was indifferent until I watch The Union: The Business Behind Getting High, and it is a fantastic documentary that I highly recommend.

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No. I'm not having this thread again. Kindly gtfo my OT.
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No. I'm not having this thread again. Kindly gtfo my OT.

Lol what happened last time?

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The same thing that happens every four months when this thread goes full circle on the OT merry-go-round.

"You take weed you're stupid"
"Taking weed is OK the Lancet said so"
(etc.)

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This happens:

http://forum.tip.it/...-drinkingdrugs/
http://forum.tip.it/...onal-in-canada/
http://forum.tip.it/...right-or-wrong/


[maybe if all the pot users on this forum could remember we had the same argument every few months EVERY time, we'd stop seeing these damn threads.]
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This happens:

http://forum.tip.it/...-drinkingdrugs/
http://forum.tip.it/...onal-in-canada/
http://forum.tip.it/...right-or-wrong/


[maybe if all the pot users on this forum could remember we had the same argument every few months EVERY time, we'd stop seeing these damn threads.]

Welllll actually I took a break from the forums and runescape for 6 months and I'm back soooo.

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Welllll actually I took a break from the forums and runescape for 6 months and I'm back soooo.


I checked and there isn't a recent topic on it


Look past page 1 next time buddy.
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You either have the high horse "drugs are bad and I will never take them because I dont need them to have fun and druggies are pathetic and I am great and drugs are bad"

And "fu drugs are great I get high every weekend mate"

And "drugs like pot, mdma and lsd etc which are less harmful than tobacco and alcohol should be regulated because it makes them safer."

"no way drugs are bad ban all of them fu alcohol I just play lan and we have fun you must be Hitler"

Rinse and repeat over 40 pages. Did I miss anything?

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You either have the high horse "drugs are bad and I will never take them because I dont need them to have fun and druggies are pathetic and I am great and drugs are bad"

And "fu drugs are great I get high every weekend mate"

And "drugs like pot, mdma and lsd etc which are less harmful than tobacco and alcohol should be regulated because it makes them safer."

"no way drugs are bad ban all of them fu alcohol I just play lan and we have fun you must be Hitler"

Rinse and repeat over 40 pages. Did I miss anything?



Nope, that about covers it. /Thread & lock
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Marijuana IS legal.

Under common law a crime only exists when you harm another person.

The trick is challenging the courts jurisdiction for a non violent crime [which they dont have!]. Under an ounce is an infraction, so you likely will get a ticket and you will have to show up in court.

When getting the ticket ask the officer what happens if you refuse to sign it, he will tell you that he could arrest you. So since you risk losing your civil liberties should you not sign it, you have the right to put above your name "Without Prejudice" UCC 1-308.

§ 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.

(a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice," "under protest," or the like are sufficient.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to an accord and satisfaction.


By doing this you reserve your rights to a common law trial - which every court must allow. Under common law you did not commit a crime unless you harmed someone.

When you get to court, make sure you do not plea. Tell them you still have a number of questions to ask. Start by saying Corpus Delechi, which roughly translates to "Show me the complaining party." Under common law you can only be tried if there is a person who was harmed otherwise they dont have jurisdiction. The judge does NOT have jurisdiction at this point and you have the right to sue him under common law if he continues the case.

Here is one court room strategy, if you are choosing to reserve your rights and not go through with a trial:

"Court room strategy
They are usually shocked when you motion to dismiss because of your reservation of rights UCC 1-308. They are immediately defeated.It's not guaranteed to work because half of the courts have judges that will try to trick you into contracting with them. If they can trick you into contract, then they have jurisdiction. If they deny your motion, appeal it immediately. Find out how before the time comes.Make sure that you do no let them contract with you. This is an old trick.
When your name is called, stand outside the BAR and respectfully say, "I reserve all of my rights UCC 1-308, on what authority are you ordering me into the well of the court?". Make sure he answers. He may try to motion you in or say come in and sit or some other phrase to trick you into the well of the court. This is a trick. Ask again, "I do not understand, are you ordering me into the well of the court or is it voluntary?" If he threatens you with contempt or orders you in, ...then go in. You don't want to sit in the cooler for a few days. At this point, he screwed himself and you can sue him in federal maritime torts.NEVER plea because that gives the court jurisdiction. NEVER remain silent for that is acquiescence. (Agreement by silence.) ALWAYS ANSWER. Simply say "I reserve all of your rights UCC 1-308 and do not understand the charges". They cannot try you unless you understand the charges. No matter what the judge says to you, say, "I do not understand because I have reserved all of my rights UCC 1-308". The judge will always say that the UCC has nothing to do with the charges, but it certainly does.If the judge tells you to sit over here, or stand over there and you do it, then you have contracted with the court because you have done what he has told you to do. So you would say, "OK, but I still reserve all of my rights UCC 1-308", and then go sit or stand where he told you.If he says that he will assume that the court has jurisdiction, say "I deny the court has jurisdiction and I reserve all of my rights UCC 1-308". If the judge leaves the court room or call a recess, then when you come back, again say that you reserve all of your rights UCC 1-308. The judge is trying to start a new session in order to contract with you.If he says for instance, let the court record show that the defendant has waived one right or another, right to counsel or etc..., then say, "Let the record show that I do not waive any of my rights UCC 1-308".Do not let the judge make assumptions. If he says something like, "we will assume that the court has jurisdiction." Immediately deny the assumption or he does have jurisdiction. Say, "I deny that the court has jurisdiction". " I deny all assumptions of the court".Ask him to rule on your motion to dismiss because of your reservation of rights UCC 1-308. READ IT OUT LOUD so that it is on the record. wait for him to answer. Do not let them move on to something else.If they try to move on without answering, then say, "as a matter of procedure, the court has not ruled on the motion". DO NOT ASK THE COURT FOR ANYTHING, like a jury trial or counselor or anything else. If ya do, then you are giving the court jurisdiction.( I saw a few folks go to jail when they asked for a jury trial. If he sets a new or next court date, ask him if it is mandatory that you have to be there. Make him answer by continuing to ask. If ya show up voluntarily, then you are contracting with the court. He may say something like, "you will be here on this date". Then ask if that is an order. If he will not answer, then say, "let the record show that I have not been ordered to appear in this court on any date.".The judge will try and drag out as much time as possible to get you to plea or bargain with the prosecutor. After 10 to 12 months they can no longer try you in most states.Always answer a question with a question. Do not tell the judge what to do or what authority he has. That can be construed as contempt. This will get ya into hot water. If you do not know how to answer, then just say "I don't understand and don't know how to answer". Prosecutors do not plea bargain with defendants that have not hired one of their BAR licensed buddies. So if they try to offer you a plea, it is because you have them beat and they know it. You have not lost unless you give up. "





Here is more information on this:

Remedy and Recourse

Every system of civilized law must have two characteristics: Remedy and Recourse. Remedy is a way to get out from under the law. The Recourse provides that if you have been damaged under the law, you can recover your loss. The Common Law, the Law of Merchants, and even the Uniform Commercial Code all have remedy and recourse, but for a long time we could not find it. If you go to a law library and ask to see the Uniform Commercial Code they will show you a tremendous shelf completely filled with the Uniform Commercial Code. When you pick up one volume and start to read it, it will seem to have been intentionally written to be confusing. It took us a long time to discover where the Remedy and Recourse are found in the U.C.C. They are found right in the first volume, at 1-207 and 1-103.

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“The making of a valid Reservation of Rights preserves whatever rights the person then possesses, and prevents the loss of such rights by application of concepts of waiver or estoppel.” (UCC 1-207.7)

It is important to remember when we go into a court, that we are in a commercial, international jurisdiction. If we go into court and say. “I DEMAND MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!”, the judge will most likely say, “You mention the Constitution again, and I’ll find you in contempt of court!” Then we don’t understand how he can do that. Hasn’t he sworn to uphold the Constitution? The rule here is: you cannot be charged under one jurisdiction and defend yourself under another jurisdiction. For example, if the French government came to you and asked where you filed your French income tax of a certain year, do you go to the French government and say “I demand my Constitutional Rights?” No. The proper answer is: “THE LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO ME. I AM NOT A FRENCHMAN.” You must make your reservation of rights under the jurisdiction in which you are charged, not under some other jurisdiction. So in a UCC court, you must claim your Reservation of Rights under UCC 1-207.

UCC 1-207 goes on to say…

“When a waivable right or claim is involved, the failure to make a reservation thereof, causes a loss of the right, and bars its assertion at a later date.” (UCC 1-207.9)

You have to make your claim known early. Further, it says:

“The Sufficiency of the Reservation: any expression indicating an intention to reserve rights is sufficient, such as “without prejudice”. (UCC 1-207.4)

Whenever you sign any legal paper that deals with Federal Reserve Notes, write under your signature: “Without Prejudice (UCC 1-207.4).” This reserves your rights. You can show, at UCC 1-207.4, that you have sufficiently reserved your rights.

It is very important to understand just what this means. For example, one man who used this in regard to a traffic ticket was asked by the judge just what he meant by writing “without prejudice UCC 1-207″ on his statement to the court? He had not tried to understand the concepts involved. He only wanted to use it to get out of the ticket. He did not know what it meant. When the judge asked him what he meant by signing in that way, he told the judge he was not prejudice against anyone… The judge knew that the man had no idea what it meant, and he lost the case. You must know what it means!

Without Prejudice UCC 1.207

When you use “without prejudice UCC 1-207″ in connection with your signature, you are saying, “I reserve my right not to be compelled to perform under any contract or commercial agreement that I did not enter knowingly, voluntarily and intentionally. I do not accept the liability of the compelled benefit of any unrevealed contract or commercial agreement.”

What is the compelled performance of an unrevealed commercial agreement? When you use Federal Reserve Notes instead of silver dollars, is it voluntary? No. There is no lawful money or alternative, so you have to use Federal Reserve Notes; you have to accept the benefit. The government has given you the benefit to discharge your debts with limited liability, and you don’t have to pay your debts. How nice they are! But if you did not reserve your rights under 1-207.7, you are compelled to accept the benefit, and are therefore obliged to obey every statute, ordinance, and regulation of the government, at all levels of government; federal, state and local.

If you understand this, you will be able to explain it to the judge when he asks. And he will ask, so be prepared to explain it to the court. You will also need to understand UCC 1-103, the argument and recourse. If you want to understand this fully, go to a law library and photocopy these two sections from the UCC. It is important to get the Anderson, 3rd edition. Some of the law libraries will only have the West Publishing version, and it is very difficult to understand. In Anderson, it is broken down with decimals into ten parts and, most importantly, it is written in plain English.

Recourse

The Recourse appears in the Uniform Commercial Code at 1-103.6, which says:

“The Code is complimentary to the Common Law, which remains in force, except where displaced by the code. A statute should be construed in harmony with the Common Law, unless there is a clear legislative intent to abrogate the Common Law.” (UCC 1-103.6)

This is the argument we use in court. The Code recognizes the Common Law. If it did not recognize the Common Law, the government would have had to admit that the United States is bankrupt, and is completely owned by its creditors. But, it is not expedient to admit this, so the Code was written so as not to abolish the Common Law entirely. Therefore, if you have made a sufficient, timely, and explicit reservation of your rights at 1-207, you may then insist that the statutes be construed in harmony with the Common Law.

If the charge is a traffic ticket, you may demand that the court produce the injured person who has filed a verified complaint. If, for example, you were charged with failure to buckle your seat belt, you may ask the court: “Who was injured as a result of your failure to ‘buckle up’?” However, if the judge won’t listen to you and just moves ahead with the case, then you will want to read to him the last sentence of 103.6, which states: (2) Actually, it is better to use a rubber stamp, because this demonstrates that you had previously reserved your rights. The simple fact that it takes several days or a week to order and get a stamp shows that you had reserved your rights before signing the document. Anderson Uniform Commercial Code Lawyers’ Cooperative Publishing Co. The Code cannot be read to preclude a Common Law section. Tell the judge, “Your Honor, I can sue you under the Common Law, for violating my rights under the Uniform Commercial Code. I have a remedy, under the UCC, to reserve my rights under the Common Law. I have exercised the remedy, and now you must construe this statute in harmony with the Common Law. To be in harmony with the Common Law, you must come forth with the damaged party.”

If the judge insists on proceeding with the case, just act confused and ask this question: “Let me see if I understand, Your Honor, has this court made a legal determination that sections 1-207 and 1-103 of the Uniform Commercial Code, which is the system of law you are operating under, are not valid law before this court?”

Now the judge is in a jam! How can the court throw out one part of the Code and uphold another? If he answers, “yes”, then you say: “I put this court on notice that I am appealing your legal determination.” Of course, the higher court will uphold the Code on appeal. The judge knows this, so once again you have boxed him in.

Explain U.C.C. 1-207

If you are confronted with explaining what the “UCC 1-207″ does here is
your answer.

When you are going to sign a contract ( drivers license, lease, buying a
automobile, snowmobile, a building permit, marriage license, devoice decree,
or any other document).

BEFORE you sign!!! you have the right to draw a fine line through any
thing that is not to your liking. It can be a number, a letter, a word or a
group of words. At this time you can add any thing you want in the contract.
Any changes you have made sign your name close to it and date it. A contract
is to have all of the contract in full disclosure at the time of signing. If
not the UCC 1-207 will stop you from giving up your rights on the contract
you are about to sign and void out any part of the contract that you have
not had the opportunity to view.

Now how the UCC 1-207 works.

After you put UCC 1-207 where your signature is going to be. ” your
signature” is the last you thing you put on the document. When you pick up
your pen from the signed contract it is consummated, you have given up your
right to change the contract. Here is some more UCC information. You can go
to a public law library for more information.





This is all information that works (I have used this in court for a traffic ticket and the judge dismissed my case). Also some nut jobs have used this to erase all documents they "voluntarily" filled out as a citizen, including social security, birth certificate, etc.


Edit: UCC 1-207 has been changed to 1-308 if you see 207 mentioned in there. 1-207 still DOES have use but you should use 1-308 now

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I want everyone to try this[see above post that was way to obnoxiously long to quote]. Please for the love of god get arrested for trying to find loopholes in the court system and stop going on and on about your stupid plant.
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You either have the high horse "drugs are bad and I will never take them because I dont need them to have fun and druggies are pathetic and I am great and drugs are bad"

And "fu drugs are great I get high every weekend mate"

And "drugs like pot, mdma and lsd etc which are less harmful than tobacco and alcohol should be regulated because it makes them safer."

"no way drugs are bad ban all of them fu alcohol I just play lan and we have fun you must be Hitler"

Rinse and repeat over 40 pages. Did I miss anything?



Nope, that about covers it. /Thread & lock


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I want everyone to try this[see above post that was way to obnoxiously long to quote]. Please for the love of god get arrested for trying to find loopholes in the court system and stop going on and on about your stupid plant.


Its not a loophole in the court system, its your rights that the courts violate.

You as a flesh and blood person are ONLY subject to common law. Courts recreate you as an entity (a corporation) that they can extract money from.

http://www.energetic...cc-1-308-a.html

Edit: While researching this you do find a lot of people who wear tin foil hats on their heads, but it is real and it works. In my own personal experience I have used this and won.

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No. I'm not having this thread again. Kindly gtfo my OT.


Hey buddy, calm down. Please be respectful to other people.
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Marijuana: The Highhorse Wars.
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Well im curious to see how this thread will go, I got my posts done on the first page on how to beat an non violent crimes (where there was no injury) against the state.

Have a nice day arguing about whether it is illegal or not, when I demonstrated that it is very legal.

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Well im curious to see how this thread will go, I got my posts done on the first page on how to beat an non violent crimes (where there was no injury) against the state.

Have a nice day arguing about whether it is illegal or not, when I demonstrated that it is very legal.

I read that whole post and it was actually quite intriguing. Quite glad I posted this.

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This seems to come up quite frequently here, but I don't really mind.

Legalize it. Not saying that only because I like smoking it quite frequently but because of all the other reasons. It's medicinal application, failure of prohibition, cost to the govt, so on so forth. People say it causes you to be lazy and unmotivated, potheads blatantly reject that, but I'll tell you there is some truth to it.

Hopefully everyone listens to each other, but I can tell for some reason this thread is very likely to degenerate into exactly what dan described.

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In my opinion, it should be legalized and taxed by the government just like alcohol. The government gets taxes, and less people die overseas due to the drug war.

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Marijuana or as it is more elegantly put Cannabis Sativa, on the other hand is probably no more dangerous than alcohol. If it is used in moderation it can provide medical benefits and it's not physically addictive. Marijuana is being used, or could be used in the future, to alleviate glaucoma, nausea and loss of appetite, anxiety, muscle pain, and tinnitus. The use of this plant produces a relaxed, euphoric, stress-relieving effect, and stress has been proved to be one of the leading causes of poor health in America. Really, marijuana is probably the only (Currently Illegal, well in most places) drug "I" could find justifiable being legalized.




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