Prosititution

[Ieyfura]

I haven't had what I felt was much constructive comments for this thread, but I was wondering something.

Not to go way off topic here, but for those making the argument of "It's their bodies let them do what they want with them?".

 

If that logic was correct, then wouldn't that suggest we need to legalize all drugs as well?

 

As for the arguments of "Legalized it, but tax and regulate it". What if the decision to make it illegal stems from a belief or observation it would be fiscally, or some other quantitative measure, better to make it illegal than to organize the regulation and taxation of it?

 

This isn't saying that either ideas wouldn't work, I'm just curious if either of the things I said above may have any accuracy.

 

Drugs change a person's perception while under the influence, and can cause harm to other individuals. Prostitution, not so much as long as a prostitute gets tested regularly.

[K4ylan]

I haven't had what I felt was much constructive comments for this thread, but I was wondering something.

Not to go way off topic here, but for those making the argument of "It's their bodies let them do what they want with them?".

 

If that logic was correct, then wouldn't that suggest we need to legalize all drugs as well?

 

Drugs change a person's perception while under the influence, and can cause harm to other individuals. Prostitution, not so much as long as a prostitute gets tested regularly.

 

Those that are sold into prostitution, or are doing it illegally don't necessarily meet that requirement. The only thing that's stopping us from regulating prostitution is getting out of the mindset that "selling yourself" is bad, unless it's for reality TV.

[Sy_Accursed]

I haven't had what I felt was much constructive comments for this thread, but I was wondering something.

Not to go way off topic here, but for those making the argument of "It's their bodies let them do what they want with them?".

 

If that logic was correct, then wouldn't that suggest we need to legalize all drugs as well?

 

As for the arguments of "Legalized it, but tax and regulate it". What if the decision to make it illegal stems from a belief or observation it would be fiscally, or some other quantitative measure, better to make it illegal than to organize the regulation and taxation of it?

 

This isn't saying that either ideas wouldn't work, I'm just curious if either of the things I said above may have any accuracy.

 

Drugs change a person's perception while under the influence, and can cause harm to other individuals. Prostitution, not so much as long as a prostitute gets tested regularly.

 

Yeah drugs have mind altering effects that can make you dangerous to yourself and/or to others; not to mention the fact that they all have highly addictive qualities that lead to other drug-related issues (eg stealing, murder etc in order to feed a craving). Plus most, if not all, have major negative impacts on your body such as dehydration, muscle wastage, liver and kidney problems.

 

As long as safe sex is practiced, sexual intercourse has no such effects. You are in full self control during sex, sex isn't an addictive substance (any addiction would come from a prior psychological issue), people wouldn't need to go out doing criminal acts to fund a sex habit and safe sex has no negative impacts upon the body, if anything it has positive effects due to endorphins released and the exercise gained.

[sees_all1]

Unfortunately, legalizing, regulating and taxing something doesn't make it safe, just harder to prosecute. A good example of this is moonshine.

With prostitution, you have to worry about human trafficking, pimps and sex slaves. The debate that you have framed does not truly represent what actually goes on, and is never as clean as you'd like it.

[K4ylan]

Unfortunately, legalizing, regulating and taxing something doesn't make it safe, just harder to prosecute. A good example of this is moonshine.

With prostitution, you have to worry about human trafficking, pimps and sex slaves. The debate that you have framed does not truly represent what actually goes on, and is never as clean as you'd like it.

 

It will make it safer, though. Human trafficking, pimps, and sex slaves are present without any regulation, regulating prostitution wouldn't increase these numbers at the very least.

[obfuscator]

In order to make prostitution a profitable business without the drug dependency and sexual slavery that plagues illegal prostitution, it would have to be so expensive that illegal prostitution would still be in huge demand.

[decebal]

I never understood why prostitution is illegal, seeing that there are gold-diggers out there who are only in it for the money, and the dude gets a trophy wife, and that is legal.

 

Besides, prostition probably existed before our own species. There have been cases where female chimpanzees would have sex with the male alpha in return for food. Substitute food with money, and you have a prostitute.

[Zierro]

I think it's unfortunate, pathetic and immoral, but I don't think it should be illegal.

[Giordano]

I think it's unfortunate, pathetic and immoral, but I don't think it should be illegal.

 

 

It's too complicated to fix all the evils of prostitution, so lets just keep it illegal.

[Powerfrog]

In order to make prostitution a profitable business without the drug dependency and sexual slavery that plagues illegal prostitution, it would have to be so expensive that illegal prostitution would still be in huge demand.

 

How do you work that out? $50 an hour is rediculously low for a prostitute, yet $50/hour wage is enviable. Even after preparation/cleanup time and tax.

[obfuscator]

In order to make prostitution a profitable business without the drug dependency and sexual slavery that plagues illegal prostitution, it would have to be so expensive that illegal prostitution would still be in huge demand.

 

How do you work that out? $50 an hour is rediculously low for a prostitute, yet $50/hour wage is enviable. Even after preparation/cleanup time and tax.

And how many functional members of society would be a prostitute for $50 an hour if they didn't need the money for drugs? Probably not too many.

 

And yes, add in licensing fees, cleanup, tax, etc...and legal prostitution becomes much more expensive than illegal prostitution ever was.

[RpgGamer]

keep it clean and consensual, and I'd practically encourage prostitution. Shame the days of courtesans are gone.

[Ginger_Warrior]

In order to make prostitution a profitable business without the drug dependency and sexual slavery that plagues illegal prostitution, it would have to be so expensive that illegal prostitution would still be in huge demand.

 

How do you work that out? $50 an hour is rediculously low for a prostitute, yet $50/hour wage is enviable. Even after preparation/cleanup time and tax.

And how many functional members of society would be a prostitute for $50 an hour if they didn't need the money for drugs? Probably not too many.

 

And yes, add in licensing fees, cleanup, tax, etc...and legal prostitution becomes much more expensive than illegal prostitution ever was.

Though in a free market--and I know this is a truly dreadful way of dehumanising individuals who each have their own story--prices always remain low due to competition and the incessent need to undercut others. You're muddying two very different, but relating, issues with drug dependency and prostitution. There's enough prostitutes out there who aren't into drugs or other psychoactives, which would keep a market going. Although I agree that one the main attractions to illegal prostitution is that the cash is 'under-the-table'. That would no longer be applicable if it was legalised.

[Powerfrog]

If you could get a decent queue of customers for a stable wage, and it wasn't so taboo, i bet a lot of young people would love to work for $50/hour. If peoples mindsets changed to accept it, it would be very easy money doing something enjoyable.

 

And $50 was just an example of something considered cheap yet a good wage. They could of course charge a lot more. (Although due to the amount of people that would jump at the chance, i doubt the price ever would get very high. As i said, it's easy money.)

[Duff]

I think it's unfortunate, pathetic and immoral

^

I wish people didn't do it at all. But I know better than to wish it was illegal.

[Rainy_Day]

Well it works in Germany iirc. So long as earnings were declared, taxed, people have frequent health checks, etc, it would get it away from the streets and allow people (should they wish) to sell their bodies.

 

I wouldn't think it to be a nice career, but when people want something there's a business for it, and if people choose to sell themselves willingly, then so be it.

[chenw]

In order to make prostitution a profitable business without the drug dependency and sexual slavery that plagues illegal prostitution, it would have to be so expensive that illegal prostitution would still be in huge demand.

 

How do you work that out? $50 an hour is rediculously low for a prostitute, yet $50/hour wage is enviable. Even after preparation/cleanup time and tax.

And how many functional members of society would be a prostitute for $50 an hour if they didn't need the money for drugs? Probably not too many.

 

And yes, add in licensing fees, cleanup, tax, etc...and legal prostitution becomes much more expensive than illegal prostitution ever was.

 

1. You don't have to continuously working. It'll be an ideal Part-Time job, or for those who just doesn't like the working hours other job offers. You'll have much more free time compared to others of similar monthly earnings.

 

2. Financially perhaps, hygiene, health and perhaps dignity? I'd say legal one comes out MUCH better than illegal. I'd much rather pay taxes and earn less on a job if it means it's legal and respected.

[Randox]

Drug problems, slavery and trafficking aside, I can't say I actually have any issues with prostitution at all, moral or otherwise. I also feel that if it were legal, then more could be done to handle things like slavery and trafficking, because people would be able to ask for help without fear of being arrested. The government does less to give them access to help and ways to stay healthy than they do for drug addicts (things like needle exchanges - no questions asked and totally free), which is actually something they could do without legalizing it if they wanted. They just need some provisions in the law to keep them from being arrested if they seek some sort of help from the police. Something that might allow them to trust the law and be willing to seek help.

 

I do feel this is an industry that would probably benefit more from full legalization and regulation, then trying to ignore it.

 

 

As an aside, I find societies view on sex in general to be totally baffling. This is something that most people do, or have done, and yet we can't talk about it in public. Same with masturbation. Most people (on this continent at least) do it (no pun intended), yet no one talks about it. This would make as much sense to me as no one talking about sleeping; acting like sleeping was something to be ashamed of (with the difference being that sleep deprivation is bigger deal to your health than sex deprivation).

[sees_all1]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/185659/prostitute-song

[Furah]

Prostitution is just a more efficient means to buying a girl drinks at a bar.

 

If it weren't for the diseases and every other negative thing you mentioned, i believe it would be very popular but still not something you'd admit to in public, similar to masturbating.

 

Like many other things, you get what you pay for. Common street [bleep] are more likely to be disease ridden than the rent girls government officials or celebrities would get.

[Crocefisso]

Prostitution is alright as long as its victimless. If the prostitute consents to it and doesnt have any STD's then there is no victim.

This is virtuallly never the case. If a prostitute isn't forced into it by armed gangs, she's forced into it socio-economically. It's a service that people want but only those who are forced to give, by in large.

[Sy_Accursed]

Prostitution is alright as long as its victimless. If the prostitute consents to it and doesnt have any STD's then there is no victim.

This is virtuallly never the case. If a prostitute isn't forced into it by armed gangs, she's forced into it socio-economically. It's a service that people want but only those who are forced to give, by in large.

 

This is a totally made up fact.

There's no statistical proof of this, just baseless assumptions that no-one would chose to do it.

 

I mean plenty of people chose to be escorts and that's prostitute adjacent, and let's face it many escort agencies are kinda just a front for a brothel of sorts. (Secret Diary of a Call Girl anyone?)

I even watched a Louis Thoreaux documentary in Vegas/Nevada (I think) where they had legal brothels and the girls were there by choice.

 

I mean sure it does happen, there's no doubt about that. But its an utterly made up fact with no provable evidence to say the majority of prostitutes are forced into it in some way other than baseless assumption of the the cliche prostitute figure is the 'norm' of prostitutes (the cliche being the kidnapped, forced to do it to fund drugs or save their family and hate it kinda gal). Plus the sheer volume of people who willing decide to be porn stars categorically shows that by and large there is a huge market of people perfectly willing to have sex for money, not to mention taking into account the idea of the gold digger and sugar daddy type relationships which essentially amount to prostituting yourself for the money.

[decebal]

Prostitution is alright as long as its victimless. If the prostitute consents to it and doesnt have any STD's then there is no victim.

This is virtuallly never the case. If a prostitute isn't forced into it by armed gangs, she's forced into it socio-economically. It's a service that people want but only those who are forced to give, by in large.

If you put it that way, then a McDonald's fry-flipper is forced into it socio-economically.

 

Let's face it, there are many people out there who have to do jobs they are not proud of, yet they do it, and do it legally.

[sees_all1]

Prostitution is alright as long as its victimless. If the prostitute consents to it and doesnt have any STD's then there is no victim.

This is virtuallly never the case. If a prostitute isn't forced into it by armed gangs, she's forced into it socio-economically. It's a service that people want but only those who are forced to give, by in large.

If you put it that way, then a McDonald's fry-flipper is forced into it socio-economically.

 

Let's face it, there are many people out there who have to do jobs they are not proud of, yet they do it, and do it legally.

 

Fine, we'll call barely making a living at a fast food restaurant minimum wage, but forced sex in any circumstance is rape.

[Cow]

I think it's unfortunate, pathetic and immoral, but I don't think it should be illegal.

I don't think it should be illegal unless there was a victim, because that does happen.