terley Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 rite, dahrok and other armours and weapon sets u get from the barrows etc etc im new so i dont 100% know but i know ppl have bought full dahrok for 5.5mill and it completley outclasses full dragon in almost every way i dont understand why ? dragon was supposed to be the best... why not keep it that way.. these new armours are stupid.. they are way too overpowered... whats the point in getting dragon wen u can just get dahrok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Why should an armor at 60 defense be the best? The balance to the awesome stats of Barrows is the fact that they wear out and are very expensive to have repaired. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terley Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 its the fact that people can hit so much in them.. its too powerfull even if it does run out its like an ultra ultra ultra ultra strength pot that lasts a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_dragon1 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 and to add to the power, dragon cost around 30mill... barrows is alot cheaper, and much easier to get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terley Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 i just think dahrok is way overpowered... alot of people who play rs nowdays have 100mill+ they can gain 5mill+ profit every day... dahrok is too cheap and too accesible no matter if it runs out or not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 The thing with Barrows, its so easy to get that you really have no excuse to at least try to get a full set for yourself if you have the stats for it. Are you trying to say that the game should not evolve and we should just cut off armors at 60? My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terley Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 The thing with Barrows, its so easy to get that you really have no excuse to at least try to get a full set for yourself if you have the stats for it. Are you trying to say that the game should not evolve and we should just cut off armors at 60? my point is... its like full rune costing 35mill and full dragon costing 5mill -.- im all for evolution of the game.. i just think its too cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hey Terley :D You see, the price is completely based on supply and demand. Someone could easily get a full barrows set in a few hours with some prayer pots, and some luck, yet to get full dragon, you either have to spend hundreds of hours at dust devils, or kill the kalphite queen a few hundred times, both of with are a lot harder and slower then barrows. Also full dragon is more of a status-thing, as having full drag makes you "so leet" (:roll:) Also adding to this is the repare costs, infact without them then I bet barrows prices would be at least 20% more, probably much higher. Personally I say stats + look > status anyday ;) (full verac ph0r3 1yph3! :lol:) my point is... its like full rune costing 35mill and full dragon costing 5mill Except for the fact that in your example the weaker armor is pathiticially easy to get while the stronger armor is rarer, where as in reality the weaker armor is much, much rarer. :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob9999 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 You realise to utilise dharoks set effect you have to be below something like 15% hp. I personally have guthans and veracs. Veracs is probally the best for pvp, it can hit through armour and prayer OCCASIONALLY. I would not say it was overpowered. Guthans set effect lets you steal hp from your enemy occasionally, so great, infinite food you might say, but unlike food you are healed randomly, and the amount you heal can be 0 if you hit a 0. I would say neither is overpriced or underpriced, dragon armour is extremely expensive but most of that cost is the chain, which is a status symbol, dragon isn't worth anything like the price for what it actually is, just like p hats. But people are willing to pay the price because they want to show their wealth. My Blog To 87 Construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 You realise to utilise dharoks set effect you have to be below something like 15% hp.The lower your hp, the higher your max hit ;) So basicially as long as you are hurt you will still get a str bonus, not just at 15% :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urza1488 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 You realise to utilise dharoks set effect you have to be below something like 15% hp.The lower your hp, the higher your max hit ;) So basicially as long as you are hurt you will still get a str bonus, not just at 15% Need 1 hp for maX :D Urza. The One. The Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_swat Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Why should an armor at 60 defense be the best? The balance to the awesome stats of Barrows is the fact that they wear out and are very expensive to have repaired. Shes right ^^ 23 whip pks,3 dhorka,2 ahrims lvl 119 attack 99 strength 99 and defence 92 plus 94 mage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabf Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hey Terley :D You see, the price is completely based on supply and demand. Someone could easily get a full barrows set in a few hours with some prayer pots, and some luck, yet to get full dragon, you either have to spend hundreds of hours at dust devils, or kill the kalphite queen a few hundred times, both of with are a lot harder and slower then barrows. Also full dragon is more of a status-thing, as having full drag makes you "so leet" (:roll:) Also adding to this is the repare costs, infact without them then I bet barrows prices would be at least 20% more, probably much higher. Personally I say stats + look > status anyday ;) (full verac ph0r3 1yph3! :lol:) my point is... its like full rune costing 35mill and full dragon costing 5mill Except for the fact that in your example the weaker armor is pathiticially easy to get while the stronger armor is rarer, where as in reality the weaker armor is much, much rarer. All true apart from the few hours at barrows thing... To get a full set of a certain armor may take some time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Why should an armor at 60 defense be the best? The balance to the awesome stats of Barrows is the fact that they wear out and are very expensive to have repaired. Shes right ^^ [correction] He's right [/correction] My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hey Terley :D You see, the price is completely based on supply and demand. Someone could easily get a full barrows set in a few hours with some prayer pots, and some luck, yet to get full dragon, you either have to spend hundreds of hours at dust devils, or kill the kalphite queen a few hundred times, both of with are a lot harder and slower then barrows. Also full dragon is more of a status-thing, as having full drag makes you "so leet" (:roll:) Also adding to this is the repare costs, infact without them then I bet barrows prices would be at least 20% more, probably much higher. Personally I say stats + look > status anyday ;) (full verac ph0r3 1yph3! :lol:) my point is... its like full rune costing 35mill and full dragon costing 5mill Except for the fact that in your example the weaker armor is pathiticially easy to get while the stronger armor is rarer, where as in reality the weaker armor is much, much rarer. All true apart from the few hours at barrows thing... To get a full set of a certain armor may take some time...I said "with luck" as I know a guy who got full guthan (w/o spear) and full verac in 3 hours -.- :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melter Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 rite, dahrok and other armours and weapon sets u get from the barrows etc etc im new so i dont 100% know but i know ppl have bought full dahrok for 5.5mill and it completley outclasses full dragon in almost every way i dont understand why ? dragon was supposed to be the best... why not keep it that way.. these new armours are stupid.. they are way too overpowered... whats the point in getting dragon wen u can just get dahrok dragon was not intended for the next level of armor. it gives +5 more points than rune and costs 5-20mil more than the rune counterpart. Dragon was intended to show how rich and cool you are. Barrows on the otherhand is the next level of armor from rune. It does show that your a little wealthy if you buy Dharok, Verac, or Guthan sets but it was mainly made to be the armor for high levels, Not for showing wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melter Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hey Terley :D You see, the price is completely based on supply and demand. Someone could easily get a full barrows set in a few hours with some prayer pots, and some luck, yet to get full dragon, you either have to spend hundreds of hours at dust devils, or kill the kalphite queen a few hundred times, both of with are a lot harder and slower then barrows. Also full dragon is more of a status-thing, as having full drag makes you "so leet" (:roll:) Also adding to this is the repare costs, infact without them then I bet barrows prices would be at least 20% more, probably much higher. Personally I say stats + look > status anyday ;) (full verac ph0r3 1yph3! :lol:) my point is... its like full rune costing 35mill and full dragon costing 5mill Except for the fact that in your example the weaker armor is pathiticially easy to get while the stronger armor is rarer, where as in reality the weaker armor is much, much rarer. All true apart from the few hours at barrows thing... To get a full set of a certain armor may take some time...I said "with luck" as I know a guy who got full guthan (w/o spear) and full verac in 3 hours -.- within in one full day of barrowing i have managed full verac, full guthan no spear, full torag no legs, and a karils coif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowFire Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 The question is not "Why is Barrows so cheap?" but rather "Why is Dragon so overpriced?". Dragon is a status symbol and the best armour that does not need repairing, nothing more. If you think Dragon should be 35mill when it's a tiny amount better than Rune, then what do you think Barrows should be? 200mill? Yeah great, make it so only people who play 24/7 can ever hope to upgrade from Rune. Barrows is combat armour, Dragon is show off armour, you can't seriously say that you'd pay 30mill for Dragon when you could pay 3mill for Torags and save the 27mill for repairs, unless you wanted to look good or show off your wealth. alot of people who play rs nowdays have 100mill+ No, alot of people do not have 100mill+, I know no one with over 4mill, let alone 100mill, the people that do have 100mill are in the minority, but they seem to have the largest voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflat0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I use barrows armour all the time... My preference is verac... for KQ among other things. Yes the stats are better with barrows equipment but also it takes stats to use them. Price has nothing to do with stats - supply and demand drive that - ie. take a comparison between fremmy helms and d meds pr crystal shield vs d square... allpies the same here with barrows... want a cheap plus 2 str buy some climbing boots for 12gp... compare that to your rune boots. D chain is an elitist thing - wearing your money, or people just like the look. Overpowering, I think not - if you feel that way maybe Jagex should have stopped at rune. My flail hits almost as high as my whip but is slower. Hey, here are my max hits with a greataxe vs a d hally, etc... now mind you Im' speaking forcing the highest I can get out due to my equipment... I've 85 str. Greataxe - loss of 70hp, aggressive attack, ultimate prayer, sup str pot, Glory, Gauntlets and climbing boots, Max hit is 54 D hally - aggressive attack, ultimate prayer, sup str pot, Glory, Gauntlets and climbing boots, Max hit is 34 - special now if creature is big make that two 34's = 68. Abby Whip - controlled attack, ultimate prayer, sup str pot, Glory, Gauntlets and climbing boots, Max hit is 32 - add in my obby shield max is 33. Dragon Dagger - aggressive attack, ultimate prayer, sup str pot, Glory, Gauntlets and climbing boots, Max hit is 23 special 46, add in obby shield max is 24 special 48. Now compare that? Does that greataxe look that overpowering considering I can actually attack quicker with a whip or a dds, and compared to the D hally - I'd say the D Hally which is just slightly quicker than the greataxe has it's advantages under certain situations - ie.) I took down a blue with 30 30 the other day when I ran out of arrows. Considering I get two attacks witha whip or DD per greataxe swing plus I'd have to pray (or risk dying) to keep my hp at the low level and counter eat... the greataxe is not what you make it out to be. Quote: alot of people who play rs nowdays have 100mill+ ? Not me I have more invested in my melee armour than cash I have in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockondevil Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I am sick of people saying barrows is better than dragon. Which yes is true in some ways but if you look at the stats of full drag to full say well any barrows, dragon isnt far behind. Now here is the part people never think about eventually there will be a dragon full helm, kite, plate and even boots. Now I am sure with 4 new dragon items they could easily make the gap between barrows and dragon up and get alot more stats. P.S. Dont be a noob and say those items arent coming, because as if Jagex wouldnt add them over time. They have never added a bunch of dragon items at once so they will never add these all together in like the same day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromfirst2Last1987 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 i would go with full drag anyday over barrows. i mean most of the barrows specials are worthless. the only good one anymore is veracs. guthans was pretty much made worthless with the bones to peaches spell. Dragon Drops: 5 medium helmet, 3 left shield halfObby: Maul 1, Cape 1, Shield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzNbLuE Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I am sick of people saying barrows is better than dragon. Which yes is true in some ways but if you look at the stats of full drag to full say well any barrows, dragon isnt far behind. Now here is the part people never think about eventually there will be a dragon full helm, kite, plate and even boots. Now I am sure with 4 new dragon items they could easily make the gap between barrows and dragon up and get alot more stats. P.S. Dont be a noob and say those items arent coming, because as if Jagex wouldnt add them over time. They have never added a bunch of dragon items at once so they will never add these all together in like the same day. Bottom line, barrows IS much better than dragon. The gap between dragon and barrows in stats is huge compared to that between dragon and rune. I'm fairly certain that Jagex has previously stated that they will NOT complete full dragon (as in no large, kite, or plate), though we all know that Jagex tends to go against their word. Personally I don't even own any melee barrow sets, simply because I quit melee over a year ago so there's no reason. I still have dragon just because I like the look of it. In terms of practicality, barrows>dragon; but if you have the money and think dragon looks better, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 dragon was not intended for the next level of armor. it gives +5 more points than rune and costs 5-20mil more than the rune counterpart. Dragon was intended to show how rich and cool you are. Barrows on the otherhand is the next level of armor from rune. It does show that your a little wealthy if you buy Dharok, Verac, or Guthan sets but it was mainly made to be the armor for high levels, Not for showing wealth. What? Are you kidding? You are considering what a player might think of Dragon. Jagex intended it as the next step above, and most likely plan to finish the set eventually. Dragon was never meant to show wealth, only prestige in the matter of EARNING THE PIECES!!! Jagex had not intended for people to buy and sell them like candy. I am sick of people saying barrows is better than dragon. Which yes is true in some ways but if you look at the stats of full drag to full say well any barrows, dragon isnt far behind. And are you kidding? Between "full" dragon and Torag's, there is almost a +100 defense bonus gap. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Never had dragon, but torag rocks. Whats the best combination of barrows for best defense? I heard it was full torag + gunthan helm? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melter Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Never had dragon, but torag rocks. Whats the best combination of barrows for best defense? I heard it was full torag + gunthan helm? torag and guthan helm give the exact same defense bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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