Resistance Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 So yeah. Just send 45 of them off on silver mining duty each week.The undead you create are 1 Hit Die skeletons that possess Profession (sailor) scores equal to half your character levelFast zombie template as a matter of fact. Retech has ruled that the spell "Skeleton crew" (Link below) can be used for other professions and low intellect crafting, though I would assume that I would have to specify which you were using them for when you used the spell.http://www.d20pfsrd....s/skeleton-crew No, I meant to say that he doesn't have ranks in mining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 So yeah. Just send 45 of them off on silver mining duty each week.The undead you create are 1 Hit Die skeletons that possess Profession (sailor) scores equal to half your character levelFast zombie template as a matter of fact. Retech has ruled that the spell "Skeleton crew" (Link below) can be used for other professions and low intellect crafting, though I would assume that I would have to specify which you were using them for when you used the spell.http://www.d20pfsrd....s/skeleton-crew No, I meant to say that he doesn't have ranks in mining. I fail to see the relevence... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 The character needs to have ranks in the skill. The skeletons then have half of the ranks and then the wisdom modifier. Grim doesn't have ranks in mining, nor building at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Nor does it say that. It says Character Level, and Character Level =/= Ranks...They don't even have 50% of the same letters. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 The undead you create are 1 Hit Die skeletons that possess Profession (sailor) scores equal to half your character level plus your Wisdom modifier (for clerics), Intelligence modifier (for witches and wizards), or Charisma modifier (for sorcerers and summoners). Each skeleton can perform the duties of one crew member but has no other abilities. The created skeletons cannot speak, attack, or even defend themselves. The only orders they obey are ones pertaining to the operation of a ship. Skeletal crew members are not proficient with any weapons or armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Nor does it say that. It says Character Level, and Character Level =/= Ranks...They don't even have 50% of the same letters.Oh, okay. You're right. I misread it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexaduro Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Ranger it is... I've survived without Rage thus far, I think I can manage from here on. Won't be too hard to do the conversion. Look's like I'm going to be a female African Half-Drow pirate version of Aragorn. Perhaps with more armor. Now, the question of archetypes. Flavorful but useless mercenary/pirate who can swim a little faster, Rage Ranger who trades in favoured enemy bonuses and a single style feat for a just slightly weaker version of the Barbarian ability, outcast immune to difficult terrain, or just your average Ranger? 10:53 PM - retech9691: I feel the need10:53 PM - retech9691: To include many chasms in my story arc10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes? Remember, Remember, the 4th of NovemberRIP Dawngate ;-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Well...You could clone Shadow Wing.Stable Marine is cool too. Personally I would prefer if people just kept their characters... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexaduro Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Well...You could clone Shadow Wing.Stable Marine is cool too. Personally I would prefer if people just kept their characters...I did present the options presented for a reason. I have no intention to change my character, just trade in Rage and such (which, if I'm honest, is just not something that fits my character) for much more fun and fitting Ranger abilities. If I did this, the only thing that has happened in the last two sessions that would change (except maybe a few things I was carrying on my person) is that after last session I am less 10 HP rather than 7 from my total. Otherwise I would stick with Barbarian. Really, the Wild Shadow or Normal types are the ones I'd take. Wild Shadow is a Half-Elf only outcast sort of archetype, which fits snuggly with my preexisting backstory (wandered the coasts East of the Shackles, mostly avoiding cities for years partially because of Drow heritage) and doesn't suddenly give me an animal companion out of nowhere. 10:53 PM - retech9691: I feel the need10:53 PM - retech9691: To include many chasms in my story arc10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes? Remember, Remember, the 4th of NovemberRIP Dawngate ;-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 All the discussion happens right after I go to bed. It seems to have resolved itself nicely though. Nef, unseen servant is the same way, however notice that the spell has a range, so they can't travel farther than some 400 or 500 ft away from you. Or rather, you'd need to stay within 400 or 500 ft from all of them. So you'd need to stay with them. Also they cannot be used to craft magical items. :) Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Also a rather important difference is that Skeleton Crew has a high limit on the number of skeletons created per casting. Unseen Crew has a limit of 1 per level. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 If I might posit a request/ suggestion, don't enslave any inhabitants without letting me deal with them first, there's a decent chance that I might be able to convert them to the glory of thenatos, which would be preferable to an enslaved population (and they would be quite a bit more loyal to a prophet than a slave driver if it comes to that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 Or in other words, let me enslave them with ideology instead of shackles. Also, the stronghold might take a while to build, but I will "pause" the timeskip every week or at critical points to deal with important events (or rather, let you have the opportunity to deal with them or choose to ignore them, at your discretion). Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'd think that ideology is much more effective (and far less unsightly) than actually shackling the inhabitants. As a general plan of action I propose: 1) Find a suitable island (really just about any island) 2) Get on good terms with the locals (or exterminate them, as the case may be, though good terms is preferable)3) Create a suitable harbor using stone shape (Which I Nerefast and I can handle, with me doing the under water parts) 4) Requisition as many human or humanoid corpses as possible 5) Begin the use of the undead as a workforce6) Create base7) Create ships8) ???9) Piracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Idealogy poses a number of problems...like dissent...It would be far better to create an ideology which reveres wearing shackles and get the best of both worlds. Either that, or we send a plant in to sniff out any dissent and nip it in the bud. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Why not have both? Perhaps institute a theocracy where dissent either means forced exile (read; sold as a slave), or forced military servitude (which would be taken care of by a high ranking cleric, most likely a cohort if I take leadership). EDIT: Is channeling affected by spell resistance? Because if it is not, one could deal ~ 276 damage a turn to a certain black dragon, provided everyone in the party takes leadership (and their cohorts do as well, as well as their cohort's cohort's, and so on and so forth). Throw an empowered, maximized fireball on top of that, and the dragon is pretty much down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 We could use dungeon rings? Could potentially be a bit expensive but with the skeleton workers it probably won't be too much of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 No, if all of the cohorts were clerics that could channel negative energy, and had the undead domain, through simply using the ability of "death's kiss" we would be able to do that much damage at minimum (this is assuming that the dragon makes all of its saves), which would allow us to have the rest of the party very quickly finish it off. The clerics would have the added benefit of allowing for ~29k skeleton workers at a time. This is all assuming that we are 13th level at the time, which imo is the point that it would become viable to attack the beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 We could introduce a Caste System to ensure people did their jobs and didn't get uppity. It would mean a more complicated set up...and it would be very inflexible...But if we got it working then it would be effectively unbreakable. Outcasts are forced to live beyond the walls of the City, from where none have returned. On an unrelated note tales of Skeleton Point Shipyard are to be quashed. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 Eh, chain leadership is not allowed. :) I'm already very iffy on having leadership, and it is still necessary to meet and recruit the people. They don't pop in fully formed. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 To the nearest Tavern! http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexaduro Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Finished Rangermode. Made some changes to the inventory, but I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't take effect until I return to the Shackles for simplicity's sake. It should be noted that I certainly am not taking Leadership. Name: Sedrial[hide]Player Name: NexRace: Half DrowClass: Wild ShadowFaith: Pharasma (Former), Wadjet, Apep, Gozreh| Female | Osirian | 6'3" | 154 lbs. | Dark Brown/Plum Skin | Shaved Head | Lavender Eyes | Strength: 20 (24)Dexterity: 15Constitution: 14Intelligence: 10Wisdom: 14Charisma: 8HP: 80AC: 21 (Flat 19, Touch 12)Initative: +6BAB: +8/+3Fortitude: +8Reflex: +7Will: +4CMB: +11 (+13)CMD: 23 (+25)----------------------------Racial Traits:+2 StrengthHumanoid (Human, Elf)MediumNormal SpeedElven Immunities: Immune to magical sleep, +2 on saves vs. enchantmentAncestral Arms: Bastard SwordKeen Senses: +2 Perception bonusLow-Light Vision: See normally in low lightElf Blood: Count as both Elf and Human for effects related to raceMultitalented: Second favoured class----------------------------Background Traits:Elven Reflexes: +2 to InitiativeReactionary: +2 to Initiative----------------------------Class Traits:Favored Enemy (Animal +2)TrackWild EmpathyCombat Style (Archery)EnduranceFavored Terrain (Water)Woodland StrideSpellcastingFavored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoid +4)Unfettered StepSwift Tracker----------------------------Feats:Ancestral: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword)Antihero: Fortified Armor TrainingLevel 1: Power AttackStyle: Rapid ShotBonus: EnduranceLevel 3: Quick DrawLevel 5: Deadly AimStyle: ManyshotLevel 7: Heavy Armor Proficiency----------------------------Languages: Common, Elven----------------------------Skills:Climb: +13 (+16 w/o Armor)Handle Animal: +10Knowledge (Geography): +9Knowledge (Nature) +5Perception: +15Profession (Sailor): +11Survival: +13 (+16 on tracking)Swim: +13 (+16 w/o Armor)----------------------------Weapons:Bastard SwordWielded: One-HandTo Hit: +12/+7Damage: 1d10s +13Critical Range: 19-20/x2Misc: N/ACost: 35 gpWeight: 6 lbs. FalchionWielded: Two-HandTo Hit: +12/+7Damage: 2d4s +19Critical Range: 18-20/x2Misc: N/ACost: 75 gpWeight: 8 lbs. Long Spears (Cold Iron, Silver)Wielded: Two-HandTo Hit: +12/+7Damage: 1d8p +19Critical Range: 20/x3Misc: brace, reachCost: 195 gpWeight: 18 lbs. Composite LongbowWielded: Two-HandTo Hit: +5/+5/+0Damage: 1d8p +13Critical Range: 20/x3Range Increment: 110 ftAmmunition: 40 CommonMisc: up to +7 Strength to damageCost: 800 gpWeight: 3 lbs.----------------------------Inventory2090 gpRod of Wonder: Looted, Belt, 5 lbs.Bastard Sword: 35, Belt, 6 lbs.+1 Keen Falchion: 1075, Belt, 8 lbs.Alchemical Silver Long Spear: 185, Back, 9 lbs.Cold Iron Long Spear: 10, Back, 9 lbs.Composite Longbow (+7 Strength Limit): 800, Back, 3 lbs.Arrows, Common (x40): 2, Quiver One, 6 lbs.Heavy Steel Shield: 20, Back, 7 1/2Buckler: 5, Left Arm, 5 lbs.Mithril Full Plate: 10500, Body, 25 lbs.Tricorn of Snazziness: Discount, Head, 1 lbs.Pendant of the Blood Scarab: 1000, Neck, - lbs.Cloak of Winding Serpents: 2160, Shoulders, 1 lbs.Belt of Giant Strength: 16000, Waist, 1 lbs.Lesser Rod of Extend: 3000, Belt, 5 lbs.Adventurer's Sash: 20, Chest, 3 lbs.Potion Sponge (x10): 20, Pouches, - lbs.Potion of Cure Light Wounds (x10): 500, Sponges, -lbs.Ioun Torch: 75, Satchel, - lbs.LOST Pitons (x2): 0.2, Satchel, 1 lbs.LOST Hammock: 0.1, Back, 3 lbs.Waterproof Bag: 0.5, Belt, 1/2 lbs.Signal Horn: 1, Belt, 2 lbs.Waterskin: 1, Belt, 4 lbs. ACQUIRED WEALTH:Shell: 500, Pouch, - lbs. MISC EXPENSES:Restock/Celebration/Snazzy Hat: 500[/hide] 10:53 PM - retech9691: I feel the need10:53 PM - retech9691: To include many chasms in my story arc10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes? Remember, Remember, the 4th of NovemberRIP Dawngate ;-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earth Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Arch, quashing a rumour just makes it all the more beleivable? Why hunt down something that can't bloody well harm you? Unless it can. Youtube account: Earthgragonsage; currently uploading not an effing thing.[hide=Memorable Crossroads Quotes.]Reigan: NO MOOSE CAN SAVE US NOW; ...Had that been taken out of context, it would have been comical... Right now, it's terrifying.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Just to clarify before anyone takes Leadership, so they know how I'll be handling it: 1) Leadership does not automatically grant you x amount of followers and a y level cohort, in accordance with the tables and charts. It would make it easier to get a follower or cohort, than someone without the feat, but it is not immediately granted2) Cohorts and followers, in the same vein as 1), are not mindless automatons. They don't just pop in with all the item creation feats and totally maxed out craft skills. Those would likely be more rare (something to search for, or work hard to attract)3) Even if the chart says that killing followers only grants a -1 to leadership score, followers don't especially like it when you are recruiting them to be killed and turned into zombies4) (More of a guideline) It would be preferable to have non-combat or healing cohorts, so I don't need to run huge encounters with 12 individuals taking actions. Also if someone intends to use diplomacy or bluff very very heavily (like +20 or +30), please talk to me sometime or tell me so I can explain how I handle that. Questions and comments please so we can talk about it. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Would you allow us to animate a cohort with create undead or something similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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