science law violations - for fun only!!

[Akio]

Hehe, scientific errors are always fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the cannon balls are vaporized because if they weren't, then it could damage the economy by causing cannonballs to become practically worthless. xD

[bluebell1]

some people have been getting A+ s in science class.

[ixfd64]

Yeah, I posted this just for fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, RS isn't meant to be realistic.

[primadog]

- Actually, weight and mass are equal on earth, because mass is defined as the weight of object on earth. However, weight do change if you are not on earth. Regardless, both weight and mass share the same unit in SI form: kg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You can indeed "increase the weight" of a object while not violating conservation of mass. Consider

 

 

 

P4(s) + 5O2(g) ----> P4O10(s)

 

 

 

the end product (P4O10) weights more than the beginning product (P4)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now my input:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-We do not have weather or change of day

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-The world is flat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-There are Gods

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Fantasy creatures

[Blipo]

RuneScape isn't realistic, but hey, it's just a game. The most important thing is to have fun, as long as everything is balanced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, it's fun to spot scientific errors! Feel free to post interesting violations of scientific laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are the ones I found:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Jagex uses kg as a measure of weight. However, kg is a measure of mass, not weight!

 

 

 

Ah, but, you see, due to the High Intensity Magicks Field (the Thaumatic Field), mass = weight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- During the Between a Rock... quest, the player must make a helmet out of gold bars. After doing that, the inventory becomes heavier! This violates the conservation of mass/matter!

 

 

 

Due to trapped air, bits of (heavy) dirt, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- According to the newsletter, each cannonball can only be used once because they "vaporize" on impact. Think about it - if cannonballs really vaporized, the kinetic energy released would be probably sufficient enough to level an entire building! Also, you can see that cannonballs travel at only a few meters per second, not exactly fast enough to cause vaporization on impact. But then again, real cannonballs would be pretty unbalanced.

 

 

 

Magical thaumatic field; when they "vaporize", the field contains the blast. As for the rate of movement, this is due to the heavyness of the air/the thaumatic field.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Gold and silver ore are refined in furnaces, not exactly what we do in real-life.

 

 

 

But then again, our avatars don't know any better, do they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Obsidian is one of the strongest materials in the game. However, in real-life, it's rather weak. It is only ranked 5 on the Mohs mineral hardness scale. Any sharp blow will shatter obsidian.

 

 

 

Obsidian armour in RuneScape is strengthened with steel and adamantine, causing it to rise to 8.2 on Moh's hardness scale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*bows*

[bjbj1991]

Jagex got the gnome gliders half correct. The Grand Tree, White Wold Mt. and The Feldip Hills are all high enough to launch a glider from. However I want to see someone launch one in the middle of a jungle, one the sand, or even on a little island.

[Rathjen]

ok theres no science needed wow how many people you know can teleport or cast magic spells?? If you do know one plz let me meet them! Also how many dragons and undead people have you seen in the past week? Because personally Ive only seen like 3 :(

[bjbj1991]

This is a joke topic.

 

 

 

I want to see everyone go :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

 

:x is not welcome

[fshiu]

- Actually, weight and mass are equal on earth, because mass is defined as the weight of object on earth. However, weight do change if you are not on earth. Regardless, both weight and mass share the same unit in SI form: kg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weight is the force of gravity of an object. The weight of an object equals the mass of an object times the acceleration due to gravity, and has units kgms^(-2).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mass has units kg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The values of weight and mass are equal if the acceleration due to gravity is 1 ms^-2, which is not the case on earth (9.8 ms^-2)

[Sy_Accursed]

 

-Obsidian in its natural state is a weak metal yes, when interlaced with a substances like coal or occasionally granite it offers the strength and properties of the metal while gaining in durabilty and strength (thats why steel is stronger than iron) so it is correct

wait wait what? obsidian a metal? do you anything about geology or minerals? oh, and i didn't know you could "interlace" a metal (or you would call obsidian a metal, which it isn't) with stone. explain the process, could you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh, and as for ixfd64, mad props!!

 

 

 

funny how using logic can get so many people fired up about a little thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

next time you want to try and look smart Paw, get your facts straight.

 

 

 

Obsidian I already admitted to not knowing that is was a crystal type structure later in the thread, but the process is still much the same. You heat it up to high temeperatures and introduce the coal or in some cases granite alos heated to high temperautres so they are both molten then the two can be mixed and react to create a new formation where by many original properties of the metal (or crytsal in this case) are kept but have enhanced strength through the rock or coal atoms/molecules within its new structure

[Zonorhc]

... What?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know WHICH planet you come from, Paw, but you don't melt down granite. That's a process that would be far too expensive for such limited application that doing it just to strengthen obsidian is just stupidity at its worst. Granite is too absurdly dense a rock to be melted artificially.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Furthermore, why would you burn up coal for its carbon content to introduce to melted volcanic glass? Why would you introduce more carbon to a carbon-based substance just to make it stronger?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I've not head for science, since I decided to drop it for years 11 and 12, but I'm pretty sure that you can't do much to a brittle crystalline structure such as obsidian by melting it down and adding carbon from coal to it. Much less from melting down granite.

[Sy_Accursed]

granite is doable but very rare cause of its expensiveness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and I have no idea how the coal thing works but it does, i think its something to do with the fact that the coal has a denser structure, therefore creates mroe density within the volcanic glass to create the obsidian metal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but then again considering its carbon based nature maybe they introduce a metal to it such as iron give it the metal propertires and strength.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this case I am not 100% sure, but I do know tht it is by introducing something to it it is strengthend

[Zonorhc]

granite is doable but very rare cause of its expensiveness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And your proof that this has been done is what?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and I have no idea how the coal thing works but it does, i think its something to do with the fact that the coal has a denser structure, therefore creates mroe density within the volcanic glass to create the obsidian metal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but then again considering its carbon based nature maybe they introduce a metal to it such as iron give it the metal propertires and strength.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Iron is strengthened and purified by the addition of coal to the smelting process because:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a) The coal acts as added fuel for the furnace that allows the fire to burn hotter, thus burning away more impurities in the iron ore; and

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

B) The coal's carbon content is added to the molten iron (which is a ferrous, not carbon-based metal) and strengthens molecular bonds, resulting in a stronger metal - steel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It won't work for obsidian because for one thing, they're both carbon-based substances and after melting down obsidian and burning coal with it, you'll just end up with glass after it cools. Obsidian is not a metal to begin with, so why do you assume that burning coal with it will get the same results as it would with iron?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this case I am not 100% sure, but I do know tht it is by introducing something to it it is strengthend

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, why do you assume this for a substance where your comparison is that of another substance with a wholly different structure and composition?

[Sy_Accursed]

I assumed a subtance because in the metal making processes coal is the most common palce additive and giving an example allows it to be explained more throughly and I only continued using coal in example form after i found out more about obsidian as it was easier to explain with what I had already used than jumping to a different substance of whihc i am not sure anyway

[Juicycheese]

I'm struggling to read this lol, all I know is that cheese in this game desn't come juicy, so thats a shame.

[pinkfloyd66]

Obsidian is volcanic glass.

 

 

 

8)

 

 

 

Also the recruitment drive quest alchemy stuff. What the [bleep] was that, I was there for like 50 hours trying to figure it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-peace

[hmmsk]

Did anyone mention the fact that when you have nothing on you weigh (mass :lol: ) 0kg? You're nothing, and you're even less then that with boots of lightness!!

 

 

 

And then there's also those situations when you can weigh(mass) more than 1000kg...

 

 

 

I'll try to come up with more.

[malo2]

in alchemy, youre sopposed to give something of equal value in exchange for something else. In runescape, high alchemy only gives 60% of what you gave.

[Sy_Accursed]

in alchemy, youre sopposed to give something of equal value in exchange for something else. In runescape, high alchemy only gives 60% of what you gave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a) 60% of wat?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b)Alchemy isn't scientific fact, the art of alchemy is some wat more myth than science if it were true sicnece anyone who passed science would have the knowledge to make thier own gold and get rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is unless theres another type of alchemy whihc i not heard of

[meol]

As far as I know, the amount of coal needed to make steel is less than 20% of the iron you have, not 200%. If it's needed just to make the furnance hotter, then why can't I use the Elemental furnance to smelt the runite ores, or why am I able to smelt gold without more heat?

[chiptastic]

 

in alchemy, youre sopposed to give something of equal value in exchange for something else. In runescape, high alchemy only gives 60% of what you gave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a) 60% of wat?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b)Alchemy isn't scientific fact, the art of alchemy is some wat more myth than science if it were true sicnece anyone who passed science would have the knowledge to make thier own gold and get rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is unless theres another type of alchemy whihc i not heard of

 

 

 

try grammer class. He/she ment 60% of the value of what ever was alched. Alch a yew longs..get 768 which is 60% of what its worth. You need to get your facts straight before you post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and for my imput

 

 

 

how can you possibley attack someone with a scimmy ( that cuts and hurts) for long periods of time for them to finnaly die?

 

 

 

How is a whip stronger than a long sword? irl that would be vice versa

 

 

 

If dhoraks axe was real, No normal person could use it.

 

 

 

Cant gain superpowers/abilitys from drinking from a vial

[Zonorhc]

try grammer class.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Try "hypocrite". Also try "spelling".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He/she ment 60% of the value of what ever was alched. Alch a yew longs..get 768 which is 60% of what its worth. You need to get your facts straight before you post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was valid since it was never actually specified that it returned 60% of the gold piece value. It may be obvious to a Runescape player, but clearly, it was an issue of semantics and thus you have no strong base from which to criticise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and for my imput

 

 

 

how can you possibley attack someone with a scimmy ( that cuts and hurts) for long periods of time for them to finnaly die?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, hitpoints are not a solid representation of your toughness, rather a sort of "battle luck". Hitpoints represent how well you can turn your body to make a potentially lethal blow into a light graze. They represent how well you parry to avoid getting a sword in your gut and instead get it in your arm, or any number of other abstract concepts of combat that cannot be accurately represented in a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is a whip stronger than a long sword? irl that would be vice versa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not entirely true. It depends on the situation - engagement range, status of the combatants, amount of armour, environmental conditions, what-have-you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then there's also our good friend "suspension of disbelief". The whip is a part of some abyssal monster, that probably still has some of its former owner's consciousness still driving it to try and kill things. It's an explanation that works because it was never specified to be a whip as we would know it in real life. Hell, it doesn't even LOOK like a real whip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If dhoraks axe was real, No normal person could use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I point you to the axes used by Danish Housecarls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cant gain superpowers/abilitys from drinking from a vial

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suspension of disbelief. Oh, and you don't drink the vial. That would involve melting it down and swallowing hot slag.

[Unrealist]

 

try grammer class.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Try "hypocrite". Also try "spelling".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He/she ment 60% of the value of what ever was alched. Alch a yew longs..get 768 which is 60% of what its worth. You need to get your facts straight before you post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was valid since it was never actually specified that it returned 60% of the gold piece value. It may be obvious to a Runescape player, but clearly, it was an issue of semantics and thus you have no strong base from which to criticise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and for my imput

 

 

 

how can you possibley attack someone with a scimmy ( that cuts and hurts) for long periods of time for them to finnaly die?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, hitpoints are not a solid representation of your toughness, rather a sort of "battle luck". Hitpoints represent how well you can turn your body to make a potentially lethal blow into a light graze. They represent how well you parry to avoid getting a sword in your gut and instead get it in your arm, or any number of other abstract concepts of combat that cannot be accurately represented in a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is a whip stronger than a long sword? irl that would be vice versa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not entirely true. It depends on the situation - engagement range, status of the combatants, amount of armour, environmental conditions, what-have-you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then there's also our good friend "suspension of disbelief". The whip is a part of some abyssal monster, that probably still has some of its former owner's consciousness still driving it to try and kill things. It's an explanation that works because it was never specified to be a whip as we would know it in real life. Hell, it doesn't even LOOK like a real whip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If dhoraks axe was real, No normal person could use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I point you to the axes used by Danish Housecarls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cant gain superpowers/abilitys from drinking from a vial

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suspension of disbelief. Oh, and you don't drink the vial. That would involve melting it down and swallowing hot slag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He did say "drinking from a vial".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How about:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can fail an agility jump in the underground pass and still be able to run after falling from a very high area onto a very hard floor.

[dimitar]

Ok, some of you are in a serious need of science education. First of all, don't try to look smart by saying the whole crap about kg's being a measure of mass. IRL, WEIGHT AND MASS ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY AND MEAN THE SAME THING FOR EVERYDAY PURPOSES!!! If you're going to point that out about RS, point it out for real life too! The other thing I want to adresss is the iron hydroxide nonsense. What idiot told you it was a gas?! It is what happens when you put dry rust (iron oxide) into water. In general, metal oxides turn into hydroxides as soon as they come in contact with water, and most of the time there isn't much of a noticeable difference between the two. I think a better explanation for the cannonballs is that they break or get damaged and can't be reused. And also, I still don't get why you guys get so upset over the steel thing. COAL BURNS!!!! Most of the coal you stick into the furnace burns up and does not mix with the iron. Steel is only about 2% carbon, btw. Someone beat me to saying that obsidian is nothing more than volcanic glass. Yeah, guys, try strengthening you windowpanes by melting them with some charcoal. You might even add some molten granite to see what kind of a mess you'll get. I can guarantee you, though, its not going to be any stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I could point out all kinds of fallacies in RS, but it would take me forever. All I can think of is that mixing crude oil (or even better, swamp crap), sulfur, and quicklime won't give you anything even closely resembling a bomb. Other than that, if you guys are going to point out scientific errors, at least make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.

[urza1488]

 

 

 

- Obsidian is one of the strongest materials in the game. However, in real-life, it's rather weak. It is only ranked 5 on the Mohs mineral hardness scale. Any sharp blow will shatter obsidian.

 

 

 

Guess what? that's for scraping, not breaking. Diamonds are fragile but "hard". Obsidian was used for hundreds of years in the Americas as weapons. :roll: :lol: